Mutant clones? Weird deficency. PICS!

[Mooobaby]

Hey guys, I'm a bit new to growing (2 years ish).

I have never had this problem before, and I can't seem to diagnose it even after reading all the guides etc.

I have a mom and a bunch of babies in a separate area from the grow room.

Growing in Promix, cloned into peat pellets.

Using tap water with a ppm of around 250-350 ppm right out of the tap.

What I have been doing for watering is to water my big girls that are in flowering, then diluting the mixture and watering my mom, then diluting it a bit further and feeding babies.

Clones have been rooted 10 days in the pictures.

What's happening is weird mutated new growth, some including twisting and weird discoloration right at the stem where the new leaves come out. about 80% of the clones are showing these issues.

Feeding with Future Harvest Development Grow blend (two of the three part, the other being flower) at 40% of the total ppm, and 40% bc bloom flower formula.(I do this for the first 15 days of flower) The rest of the mix consists of the following

HyGrozyme at slightly less than the full recomended amount into the moms, and about 30-50% of full dose for the mom and babies.
Full recomended dose of regen-a-root
Full recomended dose of super thrive
Veg Boom by Future Harvest Development - http://www.maximumgrowth.ca/products/holland-secret-nutrients/veg-boom-plus

Anyway, the flowering bitches are fairly happy, just very few weird little leave problems, the veg boom makes them have HUGE leaves. . likely 2x as wide and large as without - it's kinda crazy. They get fed with 700-1000ppm above what's in the water to start with.

The Mom is getting 500 - 700 ppm above whats in the water to begin with

Babies are getting about 3-500 ppm above whats in the water to begin with

Babies were stuck in peat pellets three weeks ago, took a week for roots to pop through on all of them, they were then put into beer cups with promix. Promix has 30% of extra large granular perilite (It was very dusty, wonder if I should have rinsed it)

Now the mom and the babies are showing this weird growth, as per the pics below

Babies were in humidity dome at 90+ humidity until two days ago (I didn't notice the weird growth then. .although I wasn't paying too close of attention.) The babies were taken after the mom was in flower for a week. They were also at 80 degrees constant, with no dark periods

The mom is in 65% humidity.

Big bitches at 40% humidity.

Anyway on to the pics, sorry they're not the best - camera got stolen, so used an old iphone.

I have a single clone that is growing happily and normally, she was taken from the very bottom of it's mom. It's easily twice the size of her sisters and has no problems at all.

4th and 5th pictures are the two main stems (pinched between them) they are what I'm concerned about as the clones someone gave me in gel cups don't seem to want to root. . been three weeks and not a root, not impressed as they were some Holy Grail Kush which I really enjoyed growing last time.

Anyway, is this normal re-vegging? I have done it once before with a mom that was two weeks into flower and I don't remember them looking all fucked up.

Ideas?

Should I feed the babies with 200ppm of straight veg nutes with no additives to see if it helps?

I need these girls to start rocking right away as they're going under the big lights in 5 weeks.

Thanks for any replies I know this post is a bit of a train wreck.

 

[Mooobaby]

Just opened those pics, sorry guys I'll try to find a camera if anyone needs a better look, oh and btw the weird discoloration I was talking about is reddish brown right where the leaves come out, with a couple of them looking black and dead (the tiniest of the leaves still all folded up in the center)

 

[Mooobaby]

Oh and PH of 6.3-6.7

 

[Bilbo Baggins]

Don't look MB like its anything serious and maybe the roots just need a bit of time to get going, maybe its trying to grow more top growth before the roots are developed enough to provide the energy for it. Just a few weeks ago my own clones which were flowering ( the clones even had a small bud forming on them ) reverted back to vegging with a week or so of non serated leaves and curly growth and didn't even look like marijuana. anyway --good luck and if you keep this thread going itll be interesting to see how things turn out.

 

[Mooobaby]

Don't look MB like its anything serious and maybe the roots just need a bit of time to get going, maybe its trying to grow more top growth before the roots are developed enough to provide the energy for it. Just a few weeks ago my own clones which were flowering ( the clones even had a small bud forming on them ) reverted back to vegging with a week or so of non serated leaves and curly growth and didn't even look like marijuana. anyway --good luck and if you keep this thread going itll be interesting to see how things turn out.

That I will, I decided to give them 8 hrs of night lastnight and I swear they improved vastly over night.

I'll take pics again in a few days, they're definately not dying anyway.

Oh as well they are Advanced Seeds Critical, the mom is NL #9 - Not sure from which company though :S

 

[cues]

Re-vegging does produce strange growth. I had non-serrated leaves at first, the one time I did it.

 

[Mooobaby]

Re-vegging does produce strange growth. I had non-serrated leaves at first, the one time I did it.

Yeah I did it once before, I recall the strange growth, but the very crown of the clones still put out leaves normally, these if the pics were better are very light in the middle with a few having black and brown formations? I don't know, it's not ideal, but the guy I got the clones I had planned on using put them in that gel shit and they're just not making any progress in the gel :S

 

[Mooobaby]

turns out this is what happens to babies with a virus sometimes. Probably Hemp Streak Virus, possibly TMV These girls produced but took about 30% longer and probably loss of 30% yeild

 

[eastabunny]

I've seen this in my clones before, if you ever top them and don't do it properly your next node of leaves will come out all fucked up like this. It's totally fine just let it grow, the nodes after the fucked up one will come out okay

 

[borgey401]

I've seen this in my clones before, if you ever top them and don't do it properly your next node of leaves will come out all fucked up like this. It's totally fine just let it grow, the nodes after the fucked up one will come out okay

Yeah when fimming which is pretty much screwed up topping it def does produce some messed up leafs. I don't think that's what he did though.

OP I'd just let them grow and monitor the progress closely. They look relatively healthy from what I can see. I wouldn't worry too much about it.