AnnArbor Dispensarys receiving letters

[bloodytrichomes]

trying for a full buss before you come to the cliff?//////////

 

[GregS]

Ain't you drivin'?

 

[GregS]

Sad but true as many have to do so to make up for there lack of skills or they are out for the love of cash verses the love for the plant ! I would give it away if I could afford to and I practically do for my patients as they have never had to pay high dollar for high quality .

I hate to admit that there are many variables that contribute to the prices in the end such as supply and demand along with the geography .. I think it should be like Pharma drugs , as they are purchased at a set price and then sold on the streets at much higher prices . Medical marijuana seems to be heading down the path of greed sad to say .

But I understand how hard it is to live in this day and age and I cant blame anyone for trying to survive by all means possible .

Great observations. There is another economic driver that influences prices, and that is the principle by which a commodity is worth whatever the market will bear. High prices that result from prohibition influence the price of legitimately produced commodities. When prohibition disappears, so will artificially inflated prices, sans price fixing by producers. Given a widely divergent population of producers, the likelihood of price fixing is minimized. It is if dispensary interests prevail over us and the state levies high taxes that prices will remain exorbitant.

 

[Cory and trevor]

Nice point C&T. What if a doc were to recommend group therapy sessions to vets suffering from PTSD at which they medicated. At exactly what point do the doc and all patients become criminals in this example

If PTSD makes it as a qualifying condition I would imagine that your scenario would be widespread. I do not know alot about PTSD treatment but I know of the symptoms and integrating into groups and public scenarios I would think would be a giant part of the treatment involving medical marihuana use to help with the anxiety those scenarios cause someone suffering from PTSD.

 

[Cory and trevor]

Great observations. There is another economic driver that influences prices, and that is the principle by which a commodity is worth whatever the market will bear. High prices that result from prohibition influence the price of legitimately produced commodities. When prohibition disappears, so will artificially inflated prices, sans price fixing by producers. Given a widely divergent population of producers, the likelihood of price fixing is minimized. It is if dispensary interests prevail over us and the state levies high taxes that prices will remain exorbitant.

without a high price the luster of all this tax money would dissipate, I see no other way but for them to tax the ever living shit out of it and mostly get their $$$ from things like high priced operating licensing. I get that the act had to be palatable to as many as possible but I think the plant limitations would have done that just fine without transfer and connection thru registry parts that now hamstring the patients in many ways.

 

[ozzrokk]

Uhhhhhh Redden is STILL in court......

 

[GregS]

Uhhhhhh Redden is STILL in court......

Does anyone know why his case has not moved forward? I have not heard anything in weeks.

In a conversation with Larry King, and I don't think he means to keep it confidential, his attorney, Matt Abel, is asleep at the wheel, and not returning his calls. It could be that these guys don't have adequate representation. His case was sent by the SC back to the trial court to resolve the issue.

I'd sure like to know why.

 

[Cory and trevor]

best way not to lose a case....never end it!

 

[Firstoffallen]

Agreed - what I have a problem with is the greedy dispensaries that are paying $150 to $200 an oz (or less) and then turning around and selling it to "patients" for $560 an oz (@ $20 per gram) for stuff that wouldn't get my granny buzzed. That's greed, pure and simple. I understand how supply and demand works, and big pharm does the same thing with stuff like viagra, but I would hope that we could all rise above the drug dealing/user mentality that we have been conditioned to for so many years.

This is true but when referring to the dispensary u should know its not the staff pricing the wares it would be those greedy owners you spoke of. Cause some times people forget and get angry at the wrong people

 

[ozzrokk]

Does anyone know why his case has not moved forward? I have not heard anything in weeks.

In a conversation with Larry King, and I don't think he means to keep it confidential, his attorney, Matt Abel, is asleep at the wheel, and not returning his calls. It could be that these guys don't have adequate representation. His case was sent by the SC back to the trial court to resolve the issue.

I'd sure like to know why.

Thats the million dollar question....... Last I seen of it was when he was with MK and the prosecutor threatened to charge the doctor if he testifies........

Yea best way not to lose is to never let the case come to an end.

 

[Cory and trevor]

This is true but when referring to the dispensary u should know its not the staff pricing the wares it would be those greedy owners you spoke of. Cause some times people forget and get angry at the wrong people

I think your numbers are off bub. I unloaded at the disp for 250 per and they sold at 15/gram and only made about 50 per oz most times. enough 15/g grams and the price goes down and they had breaks for weight to customers. the owner aimed at making 50-65 an oz and lets not forget they guy had no deduction for the taxes he paid thanks to the fucking tax law from the 70's about running a drug house. so 0 deductions and paid taxes; guy fucked himself to get people access who otherwise wouldn't. the owner hate is fucking stupid guesstimates. everyone who makes a buck is greedy and everyone without a job is a fucking deadbeat right? sounds to me like you know dick about the things speculate on. either a hater or jealous.

 

[abe supercro]

imo it is uncommon for most Disp owners to be that generous. most I've come across tend to gouge the CG and patient as much as possible unfortunately. capitalist middlemen in a compassion biz, oil and vinegar.

 

[GregS]

I have it from Jamie Lowell, who owns Third Coast in Ypsi, that he expects to be able to use estoppel to somehow prevent the state or local government from shutting him down, and it is reasonable to expect that other dispensaries have bought in to that same notion. Estoppel is a remedy in contract law that prohibits one party to an agreement from reneging on any or all of the agreed upon points. It does not extend to criminal activity. Jamie did not bother to explain any further. It would appear that he thinks he can compel the government to leave him alone, and he will get burned. At the very least he will find it is a dead end. He cannot estop the government from enforcing the law. In fact, local governments that permit dispensaries to remain open might be subject to state enforcement, and find themselves before a judge.

 

[st0wandgrow]

I think your numbers are off bub. I unloaded at the disp for 250 per and they sold at 15/gram and only made about 50 per oz most times. enough 15/g grams and the price goes down and they had breaks for weight to customers. the owner aimed at making 50-65 an oz and lets not forget they guy had no deduction for the taxes he paid thanks to the fucking tax law from the 70's about running a drug house. so 0 deductions and paid taxes; guy fucked himself to get people access who otherwise wouldn't. the owner hate is fucking stupid guesstimates. everyone who makes a buck is greedy and everyone without a job is a fucking deadbeat right? sounds to me like you know dick about the things speculate on. either a hater or jealous.

Cory I'd say your experience was the exception to the rule. I dropped stuff off at many different dispensaries in Ann Arbor and elsewhere and they wouldn't give you a dime over 2 bills an onion and they would typically sell that for $20 a gram, or $400+ an ounce.

 

[abe supercro]

perhaps jamie cld have fought on behalf of CG's (some of his perceived competition) from not getting zoned out if his immediate downtown area by ypsi zoning council, then he may not have had karma chewing on his ballsack,

 

[Cory and trevor]

As far as tax law goes, I don't see how it could be an exception to the rule in the instance I'm talking about. Nobody can LEGALLY avoid geting bent over if they can't write off any expenses including buying this pot be it an over or under price. selling it at a huge profit won't negate the up front costs. notice I used the L word-I assume they all have to do dirt to feed the family after they pay those type of taxes. anyone who owns a small or big business knows writing shit off is a must. so is anywhere from a 50-200% markup in retail.

 

[st0wandgrow]

As far as tax law goes, I don't see how it could be an exception to the rule in the instance I'm talking about. Nobody can LEGALLY avoid geting bent over if they can't write off any expenses including buying this pot be it an over or under price. selling it at a huge profit won't negate the up front costs. notice I used the L word-I assume they all have to do dirt to feed the family after they pay those type of taxes. anyone who owns a small or big business knows writing shit off is a must. so is anywhere from a 50-200% markup in retail.

I'm not sure I'm following you here Cory. I'm no accountant, but I am a business owner, and as such I do not get to write off the goods that I'm selling. If someone writes me a check for those goods, and that check subsequently bounces and I'm not able to collect upon that debt then I can write that off at the end of the year. But by no means am I able to write off the goods that I purchase from the manufacturer. A 100%+ profit margin is an extremely lucrative profit margin for a middle man. Those types of margins are typically only realized by manufacturers who sell directly to the public. Each time a good passes hands the profit margin typically gets slimmer, and more expensive for the consumer.

The bottom line for me with dispensaries is trust. I don't inherently have a problem with them. If I had a crystal ball and new that they weren't actively trying to sell caregivers and patients down the river to protect their own monetary interests then I would be fine with them .... but as it stands we have no assurances of that, and until that time I am very leery of what their motives are.

 

[fattiemcnuggins]

They are all out there to make cash but some**(very few) of the guys do have hearts. They would never tell you if they did just hook someone up for free or discount, because everyone in town would be coming in asking for the discount.

 

[Cory and trevor]

Mainly the store front and the other items they should be able to write off. I don't sell goods I sell services so its different for sure but I asked my accountant about the law and he did say that its a true thing and would make business hard for a store. I don't think anyone is getting a fair shake so it's hard for me to pass judgement on the guys running the stores. If Michigan was CO. I'd have as many applications and resumes printed out as were dispensaries in the state for a growing position. I can't fathom why people want to keep this weird anti-productive model of letting everyone do it for the love and few dollars instead of letting cream rise. No other real produce or product is treated this way its pretty hippy dippy weird-o coo-coo krazy to me to think this will be that one legal thing that is done this way. if ipod could only make 100 ipods....or if ipod had to pick 500 customers for their products and be arrested if they sold to anyone outside that 500....What the hell? I got to town and pick my farmer for the season, I want a guy who can grow real good corn this year so I got to get there early?????? Sorry, I rant...

 

[st0wandgrow]

And for the record I don't have a problem with the prices they charge. They're running a business, and they have competition so the market will sort itself out. Plus in a state where people can grow their own, or assign a caregiver to do it for them nobody should be stuck having to go to a dispensary.

I will not pretend that they are all about charity and looking after patients though. Their number one motive is to make money.