Figong
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Welcome, and WhoDat is a fountain of knowledge if you ask the right questions and do as you're instructed - the bud porn is awesome too, definitely
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Swamp Thing
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Looking super ripe WhoDat! Danky May for sure. April showers bring May flowers. Rainy day in NOLA today making the Jazz Fest a lil too wet for my taste. Hope next weekend is nice, cool, and sunny for the Jazzy Jams.
Sucks about the cold. Seems like a lot of people are coming back sick from the cup. Some dirty folk passin around germs I'm sure. Hope all is well.
Cheers!
swampy
Sucks about the cold. Seems like a lot of people are coming back sick from the cup. Some dirty folk passin around germs I'm sure. Hope all is well.
Cheers!
swampy
whodatnation
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Hey good to see ya muduck
thanks for everything, again...I took about half a shot of that tincture in my coffee before my flight back,,, was hells high lol you told me to take s much as I like! lmao haha thank you thank you.Welcome, and WhoDat is a fountain of knowledge if you ask the right questions and do as you're instructed - the bud porn is awesome too, definitely
sounds like hed have some interesting things to say lol. I never messed with cb radios like that,,, wasn't born 40 years ago lol so its like a radio chatroulette eh...
Re-ammended all my used soil yesterday
here we go! Whats awesome is you not only save a ton by mixing and re-using your own soil, but it gets better with age showing more vigorous growth grow after grow! I added a wheelbarrow full of compost, about 50lbs castings, and all that other shit I mentioned I picked up....
Here it is.... never mind the extra #s you see.
Compost composed of~~~~~
Donkey manure
Chicken manure
Oak leaves
Hay
Native soil
Amendments ~~~~~~~
N~
Feather meal (12-0-0)~2 Soft slow release.
Mexican bat guano (10-1-1)~2
Peruvian seabird bird guano (10-10-2)~1
cottonseed meal (5-2-1)~2 Soft slow release, acidic.
P~
Fishbone meal (3-18-0)~1~ 25% calcium
Indonesian bat guano (0.5-13-0.2)~2
Jamaican bat guano (1-10-1)~2
(Peruvian seabird guano listed above)~1
K~
Alfalfa meal (2-1-2)~2 Quick release
Kelp meal (1-.5-2.5)~5 Slow release
I'll be using 1-0-10 soluble kelp powder in teas for more K, my compost is already full of it too.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~Other ingredients.~~~~~~~~~~
oyster shell flour (0.3-10.5-1) High calcium ~.5lb 96% calcium carbonate
Crab shell meal (2.5-3-0.5)~2~ 25% calcium
Worm Castings~~~60lb
Azomite, granuler.~
Dolomite lime~.5c~ 22% calcium 11% magnesium
Red sandy clay soil (oxidized iron and other minerals)~
Mycorrhizae
Note: ^^^ I wanted to keep an eye on Ca levels of everything added.
DoobieBrother
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Thanks for always being willing to re-post your soil mixes
When we finish up with buying the house, I'm going to be making some raised bed veggie gardens and will be doing what I can to mimic your mix (not sure where'd I'd get the donkey doo).
Probably going to end up devoting about 1/3 of the back yard to garden space (eventually will add a greenhouse, too).
Anyways, thanks for all the info you post, will be a huge help in the very near future.
When we finish up with buying the house, I'm going to be making some raised bed veggie gardens and will be doing what I can to mimic your mix (not sure where'd I'd get the donkey doo).
Probably going to end up devoting about 1/3 of the back yard to garden space (eventually will add a greenhouse, too).
Anyways, thanks for all the info you post, will be a huge help in the very near future.
whodatnation
Well-Known Member
Oh its just simple stuff, but your very welcome Doobs
Heres some other stuff for you.
Reusing soil~~~
RECIPE #4
Three Little Birds Method
40 gallons used soil
4 cups alfalfa meal
4 cups bone meal
4 cups kelp meal
4 cups powdered dolomite lime
30 pound bag of earthworm castings . . .
That’s the basic recipe . . .
However we also like to use
4 cups of Greensand
4 cups of Rock Phosphate
4 cups of diatomaceous earth
LC’s Soiless Mix #1:
5 parts Canadian Spaghnam Peat or Coir or Pro-Moss
3 parts perlite
2 parts wormcastings or mushroom compost or home made compost
Powdered (NOT PELLETIZED) dolomite lime @ 2 tablespoons per gallon or 1 cup per cubic foot of the soiless mix.
...Wal-Mart now sells worm castings.
Or, if you use Pro Mix or Sunshine Mix...
LC's Soiless Mix #2:
6 parts Pro Mix BX or HP / Sunshine Mix (any flavor from #1 up)
2 parts perlite
2 parts earthworm castings
Powdered (NOT PELLETIZED) dolomite lime @ 2 tablespoons per gallon or 1 cup per cubic foot of the soiless mix.
If you use a 3 qt. saucepan as “parts” in the amounts given above, it equals about 1 cu. ft. of soiless mix and you can just dump in a cup of powdered dolomite lime.
But, a "part" can be anything from a tablespoon to a five gallon bucket. Just use the same item for all of the "parts".
Now for the plants organic food source
Choose one of these organic plant food recipes to add to LC's Soiless Mix.
RECIPE #1
If you want to use organic nutes like blood, bone and kelp...
Dry Ferts:
1 tablespoon blood meal per gallon or 1/2 cup per cubic foot of soil mix
2 tablespoons bone meal per gallon or 1 cup per cubic foot of soil mix
1-tablespoon kelp meal per gallon or 1/2 cup per cubic foot of soil mix or Maxicrop 1-0-4 powdered kelp extract as directed
(OPTIONAL) 1 tablespoon per gallon or 1/2 cup per cubic foot of Jersey Greensand to supplement the K (potasium) in the Kelp Meal and seaweed extract.
Mix all the dry ferts into the soiless mix well and wet it, but don't soak it with Liquid Karma and water @ 1 tbs./gal. Stir and mix it a few times a week for a week or two so the bacteria can get oxygen and break down the bone meal and make it available. And don't let the mix dry out, keep it moist and add water as needed. It'll also have time to get the humic acids in the Liquid Karma going and the dolomite lime will be better able to adjust the pH of a peat based mixture too.
With this recipe, all you need to do is add plain water until harvest.
When I'm working with seeds, I punch a hole in the bottom of 16 ounce cups and fill them with plain LC's Mix. Lightly wet the mix in the cups and germ one seed in each cup. At the same time I mix enough LC's mix along with the blood/bone/kelp to fill all the 3 gallon flower pots I'm going to use for the grow. After about two weeks, the seedlings and the blood/bone/kelp mix are ready. I transplant the seedlings into the 3 gallon pots and just add water until harvest.
When you go to flower and pull up the males, save the mix in the pots. It is ready to be used again immediately. Just remove the root ball and transplant another seedling into it.
RECIPE #2
If you want to use guano in your soil mix...
Bongaloid's Guano Mix.
Use all these items combined with one gallon of soil mix.
1/3C hi N Guano (Mexican Bat Guano)
1/2C hi P Guano (Jamaican or Indonesian Bat Guano)
1TBS Kelp Meal
(OPTIONAL) 1TBS Jersey Greensand
RECIPE #3 (My favorite)
If you want to use guano tea and kelp...
Guano Tea and Kelp:
Seedlings less than 1 month old nute tea mix-
Mix 1 cup earthworm castings into 5 gallons of water to make the tea.
Add 5 tbs. Black Strap Molasses.
Use it to water your seedlings with every 3rd watering.
Veg mix-
1/3 cup Peruvian Seabird Guano (PSG)
1/3 cup High N Bat Guano (Mexican)
1/3 cup Earth Worm Castings (EWC)
5 tsp. Maxicrop 1-0-4 powdered kelp extract
(That makes the "dry mix". You can make all you want and save it to use later.)
Mix with water @ 1 cup of dry mix into 5 gallons of water to make the tea.
To that 5 gallons of tea add:
5 tbs. Liquid Karma
5 tbs. Black Strap Molasses
Use it to water with every 3rd watering.
Flowering nute tea mix:
2/3 cup Peruvian Seabird Guano
2/3 cup Earth Worm Castings
2/3 cup High P Guano (Indonesian or Jamaican)
5 tsp. Maxicrop 1-0-4 powdered kelp extract
(That makes the "dry mix". You can make all you want and save it to use later.)
Mix with water @ 2 cups of dry mix into 5 gallons of water to make the tea.
To that 5 gallons of tea add:
5 tbs. Liquid Karma
5 tbs. Black Strap Molasses
Use it to water with EVERY watering.
You can use queen size knee high nylon stockings for tea bags. 3 pair for a dollar at the dollar store. Tell 'em you use them for paint strainers. Put the recommended tea in the stocking, tie a loop knot in it and hang it in your tea bucket. The tea should look like a mud puddle. Agitate the bag in the water vigorously. An aquarium pump and air stone will dissolve oxygen into the solution and keep the good bacteria (microherd) alive and thriving. Let it bubble a day or two before you use it. If you find you are making too much tea and having to throw it out, use 2 1/2 gallons of water and cut the nute amount by half.
RECIPE #4
Three Little Birds Method
40 gallons used soil
4 cups alfalfa meal
4 cups bone meal
4 cups kelp meal
4 cups powdered dolomite lime
30 pound bag of earthworm castings . . .
That’s the basic recipe . . .
However we also like to use
4 cups of Greensand
4 cups of Rock Phosphate
4 cups of diatomaceous earth
RECIPE #5
Fish and Seaweed (This is sooo easy)
For veg growth…
1 capful 5-1-1 Fish Emulsion
1 capful Neptune's Harvest 0-0-1 Seaweed or Maxicrop liquid
1 gallon H2O
For early flowering…
1 tbs. Neptune’s Harvest 2-3-1 Fish/Seaweed
1 gallon H2O
For mid to late flowering…
1 tbs. Neptune’s Harvest 2-4-1 Fish
1 gallon H2O
Heres some other stuff for you.
Reusing soil~~~
RECIPE #4
Three Little Birds Method
40 gallons used soil
4 cups alfalfa meal
4 cups bone meal
4 cups kelp meal
4 cups powdered dolomite lime
30 pound bag of earthworm castings . . .
That’s the basic recipe . . .
However we also like to use
4 cups of Greensand
4 cups of Rock Phosphate
4 cups of diatomaceous earth
LC’s Soiless Mix #1:
5 parts Canadian Spaghnam Peat or Coir or Pro-Moss
3 parts perlite
2 parts wormcastings or mushroom compost or home made compost
Powdered (NOT PELLETIZED) dolomite lime @ 2 tablespoons per gallon or 1 cup per cubic foot of the soiless mix.
...Wal-Mart now sells worm castings.
Or, if you use Pro Mix or Sunshine Mix...
LC's Soiless Mix #2:
6 parts Pro Mix BX or HP / Sunshine Mix (any flavor from #1 up)
2 parts perlite
2 parts earthworm castings
Powdered (NOT PELLETIZED) dolomite lime @ 2 tablespoons per gallon or 1 cup per cubic foot of the soiless mix.
If you use a 3 qt. saucepan as “parts” in the amounts given above, it equals about 1 cu. ft. of soiless mix and you can just dump in a cup of powdered dolomite lime.
But, a "part" can be anything from a tablespoon to a five gallon bucket. Just use the same item for all of the "parts".
Now for the plants organic food source
Choose one of these organic plant food recipes to add to LC's Soiless Mix.
RECIPE #1
If you want to use organic nutes like blood, bone and kelp...
Dry Ferts:
1 tablespoon blood meal per gallon or 1/2 cup per cubic foot of soil mix
2 tablespoons bone meal per gallon or 1 cup per cubic foot of soil mix
1-tablespoon kelp meal per gallon or 1/2 cup per cubic foot of soil mix or Maxicrop 1-0-4 powdered kelp extract as directed
(OPTIONAL) 1 tablespoon per gallon or 1/2 cup per cubic foot of Jersey Greensand to supplement the K (potasium) in the Kelp Meal and seaweed extract.
Mix all the dry ferts into the soiless mix well and wet it, but don't soak it with Liquid Karma and water @ 1 tbs./gal. Stir and mix it a few times a week for a week or two so the bacteria can get oxygen and break down the bone meal and make it available. And don't let the mix dry out, keep it moist and add water as needed. It'll also have time to get the humic acids in the Liquid Karma going and the dolomite lime will be better able to adjust the pH of a peat based mixture too.
With this recipe, all you need to do is add plain water until harvest.
When I'm working with seeds, I punch a hole in the bottom of 16 ounce cups and fill them with plain LC's Mix. Lightly wet the mix in the cups and germ one seed in each cup. At the same time I mix enough LC's mix along with the blood/bone/kelp to fill all the 3 gallon flower pots I'm going to use for the grow. After about two weeks, the seedlings and the blood/bone/kelp mix are ready. I transplant the seedlings into the 3 gallon pots and just add water until harvest.
When you go to flower and pull up the males, save the mix in the pots. It is ready to be used again immediately. Just remove the root ball and transplant another seedling into it.
RECIPE #2
If you want to use guano in your soil mix...
Bongaloid's Guano Mix.
Use all these items combined with one gallon of soil mix.
1/3C hi N Guano (Mexican Bat Guano)
1/2C hi P Guano (Jamaican or Indonesian Bat Guano)
1TBS Kelp Meal
(OPTIONAL) 1TBS Jersey Greensand
RECIPE #3 (My favorite)
If you want to use guano tea and kelp...
Guano Tea and Kelp:
Seedlings less than 1 month old nute tea mix-
Mix 1 cup earthworm castings into 5 gallons of water to make the tea.
Add 5 tbs. Black Strap Molasses.
Use it to water your seedlings with every 3rd watering.
Veg mix-
1/3 cup Peruvian Seabird Guano (PSG)
1/3 cup High N Bat Guano (Mexican)
1/3 cup Earth Worm Castings (EWC)
5 tsp. Maxicrop 1-0-4 powdered kelp extract
(That makes the "dry mix". You can make all you want and save it to use later.)
Mix with water @ 1 cup of dry mix into 5 gallons of water to make the tea.
To that 5 gallons of tea add:
5 tbs. Liquid Karma
5 tbs. Black Strap Molasses
Use it to water with every 3rd watering.
Flowering nute tea mix:
2/3 cup Peruvian Seabird Guano
2/3 cup Earth Worm Castings
2/3 cup High P Guano (Indonesian or Jamaican)
5 tsp. Maxicrop 1-0-4 powdered kelp extract
(That makes the "dry mix". You can make all you want and save it to use later.)
Mix with water @ 2 cups of dry mix into 5 gallons of water to make the tea.
To that 5 gallons of tea add:
5 tbs. Liquid Karma
5 tbs. Black Strap Molasses
Use it to water with EVERY watering.
You can use queen size knee high nylon stockings for tea bags. 3 pair for a dollar at the dollar store. Tell 'em you use them for paint strainers. Put the recommended tea in the stocking, tie a loop knot in it and hang it in your tea bucket. The tea should look like a mud puddle. Agitate the bag in the water vigorously. An aquarium pump and air stone will dissolve oxygen into the solution and keep the good bacteria (microherd) alive and thriving. Let it bubble a day or two before you use it. If you find you are making too much tea and having to throw it out, use 2 1/2 gallons of water and cut the nute amount by half.
RECIPE #4
Three Little Birds Method
40 gallons used soil
4 cups alfalfa meal
4 cups bone meal
4 cups kelp meal
4 cups powdered dolomite lime
30 pound bag of earthworm castings . . .
That’s the basic recipe . . .
However we also like to use
4 cups of Greensand
4 cups of Rock Phosphate
4 cups of diatomaceous earth
RECIPE #5
Fish and Seaweed (This is sooo easy)
For veg growth…
1 capful 5-1-1 Fish Emulsion
1 capful Neptune's Harvest 0-0-1 Seaweed or Maxicrop liquid
1 gallon H2O
For early flowering…
1 tbs. Neptune’s Harvest 2-3-1 Fish/Seaweed
1 gallon H2O
For mid to late flowering…
1 tbs. Neptune’s Harvest 2-4-1 Fish
1 gallon H2O
DoobieBrother
Well-Known Member
Coolness!
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whodatnation
Well-Known Member
Its all just a click awayCoolness!
Ripped them and pasted them into a word document.
heres what my base started out as when I originally made the first batch of SS. Its just re-amending from here on out.
Vicks SS
1 Bale sunshine mix #2 or promix (3.8 cu ft)
8 cups Bone Meal - phosphorus source
4 cups Blood Meal - nitrogen source
1 1/3 cups Epsom salts - magnesium source
3-4 cups dolomite lime -calcium source & pH buffering
4 cups kelp meal.
9kg (25 lbs) bag pure worm castings
- Mix thoroughly, moisten, and let sit (uncovered) 1-2 weeks before use.
Iv never put it in soil before now, have always used it in teas. I dont think it should be an issue like that considering all the other "hot" ingredients used.
less=more
MudDuck
Member
Not a problem dooder. Kiesha treated me well too.Hey good to see ya muduck
haha thank you thank you.
I have to say, myself and Joe and the crew all got a little cold too. Must'a been that dirty dab city coughing up a nasty flu smoothie all over your face.
And to answer your earlier question, I'm getting (late) roots on the Lemon Hash Plant x Sour D cuts but still no success on the others (Mr Nice), (Lemon G x Space Queen) yet.
I've got a few other methods to try before I throw my arms up at the Nice and Queen...
I believe they're lacking oxygen in addition to having stems so hollow you could drink a milkshake through em. Embolism is nearly inevitable- has anybody tried inverted cloning? Pressurized cloning?? haha
At this point I may give a shot at dipping/soaking the cuts in hormone solution(s) and plopping em straight into cups with soaked soil treated with a bit of stabilized oregonismXL... Why not?
As for the Lemon Hash x Sour D, I'm loading another batch into the turbokloner today to see what I come up with after replicating the successful cuts.
PS I caught a few bass at the same lake inlet we rode bikes to. Suckah.
MudDuck
Member
Ever dump in some lively (bottle fermented) dark ale? What do you know about anaerobic microbe characteristics in soil? Do they survive to compete in the rhizosphere or die from the O2 in the soil and become compost?Its all just a click away
heres what my base started out as when I originally made the first batch of SS. Its just re-amending from here on out.
Vicks SS
1 Bale sunshine mix #2 or promix (3.8 cu ft)
8 cups Bone Meal - phosphorus source
4 cups Blood Meal - nitrogen source
1 1/3 cups Epsom salts - magnesium source
3-4 cups dolomite lime -calcium source & pH buffering
4 cups kelp meal.
9kg (25 lbs) bag pure worm castings
- Mix thoroughly, moisten, and let sit (uncovered) 1-2 weeks before use.
Iv never put it in soil before now, have always used it in teas. I dont think it should be an issue like that considering all the other "hot" ingredients used.
less=more
It's my day off and I'm curious.
whodatnation
Well-Known Member
My cold was hitting me once I got to dab city, actually pretty soon after walking in the gates so Im thinking I got it off the nasty ass germ breeding facility called an airplane, It was mild though, I just got out of extreme mucus stage,,, lovely.
Yay so SOMETHING is showing roots. I think one of the tricks are getting them into water/solution asap and letting them soak for 20 min or so. Iv never cloned directly into soil but I see people around here do it all the time,,, I want to give it a go.
As far as D/O levels (dissolved oxygen) h2o temperature is vital, if it gets too warm its damn near impossible getting enough o2 in there (or at least this is what Iv read) A smaller pump should help and a frozen water bottle could help too but I already know what you think about that... and you may be right?.?.? "oregonismXL" I'll have to look that up.
ps, few days ago I ate some bass I caught recently from around here,,,,, you need to do some fishing around my parts
oh and I got two nice usda select steaks doing their thing in the fridge right now, Suckah.
I think the anaerobic microbes are outcompeted / eaten when o2 is introduced (not to mention its just not the environment they thrive in). My first batch of SS went anaerobic because I had the lid on while cooking it, boy did that smell like SHIT nasty! I simply dumped it out onto a tarp and put some fans on it,,, let it dry some, mix mix mix and put back in with the lid off of the trashcan and tada, it smelled great the next day.
I dont think tossing in a certain beer or two would hurt... Shit Id be inclined to do it if I didnt love beer so much!
I brewed up a nasty ass batch of tea last night to kickstart the cooking process for my fresh batch of soil. giggity
edit: so on that... Iv seen a "weednerd" episode where subcool visits a garden where the guy is cooking subs SS and when they take the lids off they mention how putrid the smell is and how its a good thing
its putrid because it has gone anaerobic, and anaerobic bacteria break down organic matter, yes, but they do it at a MUCH MUCH slower pace... Are there any upsides to composting anaerobically? can more beneficial fungi live in an anaerobic environment? IDK anyone got something to add please do so.
supchaka
Well-Known Member
I love lamp!edit: so on that... Iv seen a "weednerd" episode where subcool visits a garden where the guy is cooking subs SS and when they take the lids off they mention how putrid the smell is and how its a good thing
IDK anyone got something to add please do so.
billcollector99
Well-Known Member
Sounds like some nice crosses there
MudDuck
Member
My O2 has been upped since last week- I tore down the pickle barrel cloner and am using the air line from that in the turbokloner. The water temp has maintained 70ish since the airstone.My cold was hitting me once I got to dab city, actually pretty soon after walking in the gates so Im thinking I got it off the nasty ass germ breeding facility called an airplane, It was mild though, I just got out of extreme mucus stage,,, lovely.
Yay so SOMETHING is showing roots. I think one of the tricks are getting them into water/solution asap and letting them soak for 20 min or so. Iv never cloned directly into soil but I see people around here do it all the time,,, I want to give it a go.
As far as D/O levels (dissolved oxygen) h2o temperature is vital, if it gets too warm its damn near impossible getting enough o2 in there (or at least this is what Iv read) A smaller pump should help and a frozen water bottle could help too but I already know what you think about that... and you may be right?.?.? "oregonismXL" I'll have to look that up.
ps, few days ago I ate some bass I caught recently from around here,,,,, you need to do some fishing around my parts
oh and I got two nice usda select steaks doing their thing in the fridge right now, Suckah.
I think the anaerobic microbes are outcompeted / eaten when o2 is introduced (not to mention its just not the environment they thrive in). My first batch of SS went anaerobic because I had the lid on while cooking it, boy did that smell like SHIT nasty! I simply dumped it out onto a tarp and put some fans on it,,, let it dry some, mix mix mix and put back in with the lid off of the trashcan and tada, it smelled great the next day.
I dont think tossing in a certain beer or two would hurt... Shit Id be inclined to do it if I didnt love beer so much!
I brewed up a nasty ass batch of tea last night to kickstart the cooking process for my fresh batch of soil. giggity
edit: so on that... Iv seen a "weednerd" episode where subcool visits a garden where the guy is cooking subs SS and when they take the lids off they mention how putrid the smell is and how its a good thing
IDK anyone got something to add please do so.
OregonismXL is a product from Aurora Innovations that has bacterial cultures in a powder form that you add the immediate rootbase area. Some people mix it in water and pitch it in... it's a bit expensive for that if you ask me. I use it to jump start the rhizo when transplanting to a bigger pot and I also scratch and water in an addition before flowering is induced.
The plants stress out for a few days while the microbes do their thing until, reputedly, one or a few of the microbe species will overwhelm the others and begin its beneficial relationship with the roots it lives along. Aurora is saying that the newly achieved microbial balance is result of victorious bacterial competitors. Checks out right?
Nowthen, if we follow a different process for hosting microbial competition via nute teas on a regular basis, we already have a well maintained homeostasis of consistent bacterial victories. (Same strain should always win and keep winning until overwhelmed. If you only feed it the same mix of microbes every time, the bacteria won't need to exert themselves as aggressively to CONTINUE to win)
So why not throw some anaerobic competition at it? It, too, should be easily overcome by the established microbes (as long as your ratios aren't incredibly extreme on the anaerobic addition) but should prompt your resident microbes to fight a different battle against a different foe, producing different 'waste' as it goes. Waste that is readily available 'compost'.
Pitch some nasty shit brew on a tomato plant and see what happens.
Sincerely420
New Member
No IMO for the anerobic brews boss!
Every tea, even tho aerobic will have some anerobic action, so the competition should be there.
Every single brew will be different in it's content due to the slightest variables.
And from what I've learned, bad bacteria harm the roots because they are decomposed so that they're somewhat fermented.
But I don't say you should introduce disease bcuz if could get outta control lol then you'll just have to fix it boss
Every tea, even tho aerobic will have some anerobic action, so the competition should be there.
Every single brew will be different in it's content due to the slightest variables.
And from what I've learned, bad bacteria harm the roots because they are decomposed so that they're somewhat fermented.
But I don't say you should introduce disease bcuz if could get outta control lol then you'll just have to fix it boss
MudDuck
Member
Isolation and Characterization of a Novel Facultative Anaerobic Filamentous Fungus from Japanese Rice Field Soil
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2817877/
"Rice fields are usually flooded during the cropping season and drained after harvesting, and therefore, rice soils cycle through aerobic and anaerobic conditions throughout the year. During the drainage period, the major final decomposers of organic matter are aerobic or facultative anaerobic bacteria and filamentous fungi. Of these, many filamentous fungi are well known to secrete hydrolytic enzymes involved in biopolymer degradation, and therefore, they are considered to play significant roles in the decomposition of organic matter, especially in woods and upland soils. Filamentous fungi may also serve as decomposers of organic matter, such as plant debris and plant root exudation during the drainage period, in rice field soils."
Filamentous fungi are the type of underground fungi we want in our soil.
"Although most filamentous fungi are obligate aerobes, some obligate anaerobic species, collectively called rumen fungi and classified as Chytridiomycota [6], do exist."
Although primarily in the gut of grass eating mammals...
Has anyone used rumen fungi as a rhizo additive to break down straw grasses and other organic matter?
"Recently, it has been suggested that Fusarium oxysporum likely acquires energy for growth by denitrification [10] and by ammonia fermentation [11]. Fungal denitrification occurs in an O[SUB]2[/SUB] limited environment in which N[SUB]2[/SUB]O is generated as a final denitrified product because of the lack of N[SUB]2[/SUB]O reductase to generate N[SUB]2[/SUB] from N[SUB]2[/SUB]O [10]. On the other hand, fungal ammonia fermentation occurs in an anaerobic environment in which NO[SUB]3[/SUB][SUP]−[/SUP] is reduced to NH[SUB]4[/SUB][SUP]+[/SUP] and ethanol is oxidized to acetate"
You would certainly not want to ferment your brew, especially not to the point of ammonia fermentation, the ethanol/acetate would do genocide to the root base. Yeast (anaerobic) is everywhere, all the time. Even with the inoculation of omnipresent yeast, the nute tea would still contain other microbes/spores that will compete against the yeast, retarding any chance for fermentation (conversion of sugars like molasses into CO2 and alcohol) which is what essentially renders the brew unusable... Unless you reintroduce it to an oxygen rich environment and rebalance it...
Which is to say you could brew a 2 part tea that would be compounded in its benefit upon final pitch.
Someone who has the capacity and means and time to do such a thing (someone like whodat) should try to brew a tea anaerobically to the point of fermentation or even ammonia fermentation (making vinegar) and then bubble the hell out of it to remove the ethanol and ammonia.
Then it would be privy if said volunteer (whodat) might try to use that brew as a base to add some of the soil the plant is in and a product like OregonismXL or other 'active' rhizo booster to let it battle the shit from the first brew. The resulting victor bacteria/fungi could be entirely superior than achieved with traditional methods since you allow the nasty fighting to take place away from your roots and pitch in the stabilized non shit smelling brew at the end of the whole process.
Hey whodat, you gonna have a nice Yeti Stout to go with those rump roasts, er, I mean steaks?
Thundercat
Well-Known Member
I'm very glad I made it out of Dab city without a cold, or other sickenss! That would have been a drag to have to drive home with.
whodatnation
Well-Known Member
Awesome info muduck! Thanks allot for posting it... very interesting. In past brews that got old I have smelled some ammonia odor but I ditched it, and Iv actually been using old molasses thats fermented and smells like alcohol,,, the plants seem fine lol thanks what happens when you buy a five gallon bucket of blackstrap molasses! Its about a year old and Im almost done with it... I brewed some big batches last year 