ginjawarrior
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i find perrys reaction to this comic amusing
less regs = booming buisness
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i find perrys reaction to this comic amusing
echelon1k1
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Thank god you guys have stringent regulation and oversight over there... Morons always fall for misdirection...
ginjawarrior
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meh gods a useless fuckwit.
but yeah im more than happy that our safety regulations raises our standards above 3rd world countries like Bangladesh or texas
lifegoesonbrah
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[video=youtube;7Q1yrbw4Ihk]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Q1yrbw4Ihk[/video]
ginjawarrior
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lol thank you for bringing it up. this accident was a much smaller scale, no one died and beatifully shows the need for better oversight by inspectors
http://www.ogj.com/articles/print/volume-111/issue-4d/general-interest/csb-draft-report-says-neglect-led-to-chevron.html
but lets not ignore the sentiment given by perry about texas being strong because of low regs, or that perry is touring others states promoting texas to buisness owners as the state with no regs
OSHA is the responsible party for the inspection of the plant in Texas.
OSHA is not a state run agency, its FEDERAL AGENCY.
Egg on your face.
Don't forget that the EPA also has some oversight.
Accidents happen, while it may be easy to say that all accidents can be prevented, in all actuality they cannot.
Is it fun to point fingers at people who are not responsible? Or is that just a tactic used to mitigate your own feelings of jealousy towards a state doing much better than your own?
OSHA is not a state run agency, its FEDERAL AGENCY.
Egg on your face.
Don't forget that the EPA also has some oversight.
Accidents happen, while it may be easy to say that all accidents can be prevented, in all actuality they cannot.
Is it fun to point fingers at people who are not responsible? Or is that just a tactic used to mitigate your own feelings of jealousy towards a state doing much better than your own?
ginjawarrior
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no one is saying accidents can be eliminated but every effort should be made to ensure that any accident stops at "minor" and cant set off major disasters like the explosion at plant
where did i say osha or epa weren't federal?
you seem intent on ignoring perry position (or just as much yours) that less regulations is better or that perry is promoting buisnesses to move to texas just for those.
MuyLocoNC
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You've gone an done it now. You just had to give them ammo, didn't you?
Now, we'll have to listen to some administration crony tell us that the plant explosion was a result of "THE SEQUESTRATION". Dun-Dun-Duuuuh (que scary music)
Add it to the list. Pointless cancellation of White House tours, intentional and needless delaying of flights, Obama's mother in law getting kicked to the curb and his chef getting the boot isn't getting it done, damnit. We need to let these fuckers know you don't make cuts to our budget.
They didn't change any of the regulations concerning the plant, soooooo.......
Texas is doing better than most states, that fact cannot be denied. Mostly small businesses, as more regulation kills small business but helps big business get rid of competition.
Perry's position is rock solid from my viewpoint. Nothing he did or didn't do has anything to do with the plant exploding. The plant did not explode because small business is booming, it exploded because Federal Regulators cannot do their jobs correctly. Nothing new there, federal regulators have never been able to do jack shit, thats why accidents happen and cannot be avoided, thats why the financial collapse happened, why wars happen, etc etc etc. Government is nothing more than a giant FAILURE at anything it puts its finger on.
ChesusRice
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OSHA gets involved when their is either a complaint or an accident.
Guess what fuckwad? OSHA is now involved.
ginjawarrior
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so its federal regulators fault, not the plant owner therefore government = bad and libertarianism = good?
so it your veiw that without regulations you wouldnt have a hundred foot wide hole decorating waco texas?
Hey look everyone, someone who doesn't know anything about what OSHA does.
OSHA can show up at your door for an inspection whenever it wants, no one needs to call or complain at all for that to happen.
http://www.osha.gov/law-regs.html
NO NO and NO. Try straw-manning someone who is an idiot, like Chezzus or something.
You seem to be trying to blame the governor for the explosion, because of a few deregulations that have NOTHING to do with the fertilizer plant.
We call it misplaced anger.
That's all.
The Plant owner? Was he in the plant the day it blew up? Was he the person who put things in the wrong places?
Perhaps it was some stupid employee who did something stupid?
Guess the stupid police should be blamed.
Pointing fingers does make one feel better doesn't it?
MuyLocoNC
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Wow, you couldn't be any more wrong. OSHA used to come in annually and inspect the photo lab and storage area in the camera shop I managed back in the day. Fire Marshals inspected us regularly as well, but the OSHA visits were always unannounced. Not sure why you directed your abject stupidity at my post, I was just commenting on ND outing them as Feds. But, I'm always happy to point out you know nothing about that which you speak.
ginjawarrior
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where have i blamed perry for the explosion? what was that you were saying about strawmen?
This along with the comic infers it.
Seems like and being are different things. I never said you were, only seems like .
ginjawarrior
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ahh the hedged strawman.......
i have repeatedly mentioned perry touring states promoting the lack of regs to buisnesses you glossed over that while inventing "inferances"
ChesusRice
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Bet you dollars to donuts a ex employee reported an unsafe work condition and that is why your employer got the visits.
Now lets get back to what you are trying to argue. That things will be better without OSHA.
Dont think so
ChesusRice
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According to Department of Homeland Security rules, fertilizer plants and storage depots are required to report when they hold 400 pounds of ammonium nitrate because it can be used in bomb making, but filings with the Texas Department of State Health Services were not shared with DHS showing that West Fertilizer had 270 tons of ammonium nitrate last year, or 1350 times (540,000 lbs) more than the amount the company was required to report to DHS. According to pentagon explosives experts, a 270-ton ammonium nitrate blast would dwarf any non-nuclear weapon in the US arsenal, and was more than 100 times the weight of the ammonium nitrate used in the deadly 1995 Oklahoma City bombing which killed 168 and injured over 800. West Fertilizer previously convinced Texas regulators that any accident at the facility would not be large enough to cause an explosion, and a self-filed risk management plan in 2011 failed to mention the presence of ammonium nitrate at the site.
By not informing the DHS of potentially explosive fertilizer as required, the principal regulator (DHS) of a bomb making ingredient (ammonium nitrate) was unaware of any danger there. According to the ranking member of the House Committee on Homeland Security, Rep. Bennie Thompson (D-MS), “This manufacturer was willfully off the grid. This facility was known to have chemicals well above the threshold amount to be regulated under the Chemical Facility Anti-Terrorism Standards Act (CFATS), yet we understand that DHS did not even know the plant existed until it blew up.” Republicans claim regulations are unnecessary because businesses self-regulate, inspect, and report something like ammonium nitrate and other volatile chemicals to regulatory agencies and departments such as DHS, but West Fertilizer rejected DHS regulations that would have allowed Homeland Security to measure risks, and devise security and safety plans based on “self-reporting.” West Fertilizer was not regulated, or monitored, by the DHS under CFAT standards designed to prevent terrorists from sabotaging sites and to prevent explosive chemicals from falling into terrorist’s hands, but the agency never received any so-called “top-screen” report.
By not informing the DHS of potentially explosive fertilizer as required, the principal regulator (DHS) of a bomb making ingredient (ammonium nitrate) was unaware of any danger there. According to the ranking member of the House Committee on Homeland Security, Rep. Bennie Thompson (D-MS), “This manufacturer was willfully off the grid. This facility was known to have chemicals well above the threshold amount to be regulated under the Chemical Facility Anti-Terrorism Standards Act (CFATS), yet we understand that DHS did not even know the plant existed until it blew up.” Republicans claim regulations are unnecessary because businesses self-regulate, inspect, and report something like ammonium nitrate and other volatile chemicals to regulatory agencies and departments such as DHS, but West Fertilizer rejected DHS regulations that would have allowed Homeland Security to measure risks, and devise security and safety plans based on “self-reporting.” West Fertilizer was not regulated, or monitored, by the DHS under CFAT standards designed to prevent terrorists from sabotaging sites and to prevent explosive chemicals from falling into terrorist’s hands, but the agency never received any so-called “top-screen” report.