Had to bring it up: Something that is ILLEGAL FEDERALLY, can't be patented.
SO what was the point of the argument?
What's the worst strain and breeder you've dealt with?
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SO what was the point of the argument?
Jogro
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If you really had something before its patented, depending on what it is and how you got it, that "could" invalidate the patent. IE if it were truly a novel creation of the patent issuer, how did you get it?
In this particular case, I don't think its possible for anyone to have any of these patented strains because exactly as you say, these were bred as proprietary strains and never released to the public. The only way you could have access to these genetics is if they were stolen, or if you violated the patent and recreated them yourself (which is probably not cost-effective, you'd be better off paying royalties, assuming GW were willing to license the genetics). .
Also, in general patents only protect commercial use of the patented product. If you're not selling, breeding with, transferring, or otherwise commercially exploiting the patented material, I don't think there is cause for action here.
Jogro
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This is complex.
The patent in question refers to particular cannabis strains/genetics.
It may well be legal to hold a patent on the genetics, yet still not be legal to grow the plants.
In this particular case, there well may already be, or soon be specific Federal legal "carveout" for specific medical strains, so it may not be "crazy" to try to patent particular cannabis genetics, even if cultivation is currently illegal.
Frogmann
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The current supreme court case with Myriad, I feel will help determine whether or not "living things" can be patented and controlled by big business. I expect further similarly related cases will be brought forward accordingly. Science and profit don't have a beneficial correlation IMO. Obviously others see it differently though.
Lemon Haze Daze
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I have been growing for over 25 years I have had good and bad from different breeders, I have read on here people had problems with SLH) how ironic its one of my favorite strains love the high the smell the taste everything, so I wont say that the breeders are bad cause I have had good luck with some bad luck with others to date the worst luck I have had was with BF (barneys-farm) and MNS (mr nice seeds) however lot of people I know have had great success with MNS) so instead of saying the breeder suxed I will just say I had bad luck with those 2 ........Keep it Dank
Norblaze
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Sensi seeds: Northern light#5 x Haze. One out of five germed, and the one that did was a short indica with no strech what so ever, which is quite the opposite of their description. The other seeds that was germed in the same way had 100% germ rate, so im certain the blame belong to the breeders. A friend of mine got 1 out 10 on his Shiva Skunk. Barneys Farm was also a major disappointment.
tobinates559
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people are quick to say a strain or breeder is crap, when they might have just done something wrong themselves? maybe not but Barneys Farm seems to be the most reoccurring answer people give. i got a world of seeds skunk47 freebie and it was awesome
idoitmovin
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Got a Cheesequake clone (TGA seeds) from a friend that grew next to others and stayed small for the entirety of it's 12/12, smell and potentcy was sweet and ok, but she had a weakness for pests and yield was an all time let down. Friend had same result with his as well. only problem strain i've had so far. 
doniawon
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I think thats the first bad thing I have ever heard about serious seeds. They are usually spot on from description and super good?
AliCakes
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I had heard wonderful things as well - so that was part of why I bought them. Afterwards, I have met SEVERAL people who had major hermie issues with bubblegum. I think BF is truly a crappy seed company. SS makes some great stuff, but I don't think Bubblegum is one of their gems.
DNA or Cali connection (same company) black water. Shitty shitty shitty yield, almost no bud on the plant, and was flowered out next to some 3-5oz per plant monsters, under the same light, fed from the same reservoir. Also, their og kush was terrible. It was the first flowers I ever had returned to me. The best I've ever grown were two local strains that aren't commercially available.
HazeHeaven
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Their White Russian turned out very shitty for me. It was like 6 years ago when I was sort of a newb but all the other strains I was growing at that time turned out fine. It was the lightest weight buds with D level potency. Buds had ZERO density and ZERO taste. Haven't tried Serious again but really intrigued by their Kali Mist.
SlaveNoMore
Active Member
I have never had any bad experiences but I research the hell out of strains. The one thing that I stay away from are seed companies that have just as many autos as they have photo strains. If they offer the same strain in both auto and regular red flags go up. I guess its not really justified but I don't want autos anywhere near the breeding process. There are too many stories of people getting seeds and they end up auto flowering. That shit would piss me off. I stay away from breeders that deal with autos. Not that I think growing autos is bad for people who have to but it's just not for me.
KendeFyah
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DNA & Cali Con. is the same company? i dont understand.
Kite High
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The FEDS own patents on cannabinoids for medical applications already...yes..its true
http://uspatent6630507.com/
brotherjericho
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I've found that it is best not to fully trust people with only a handful of posts until they've established their ability to tell the truth from time to time
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Wavels
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I would have to say that the biggest dissapointment geneticaly for me is GHS...recently grew out 8 Kalisnikova...mediocre is the best thing I can say about this waste of time "strain". Started 8 fem seeds...all germed quickly...they grew with decent vigor and finished flowering around 65 to 70 days...However the quality of the smoke is very low compared to the vast majority of strains I have grown out.
GHS should hang their heads in shame.
High Times needs to stop promoting their crap.
I would have been better off if these seeds never germed.
GHS should hang their heads in shame.
High Times needs to stop promoting their crap.
I would have been better off if these seeds never germed.
ganjaman87
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Grew out Barneys Farm 8Ball Kush. Super leafy and took years to trim, the dried buds looked like crap and the smoke was crap as well....
Clankie
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*zappa lovefest*I would have to say that the biggest dissapointment geneticaly for me is GHS...recently grew out 8 Kalisnikova...mediocre is the best thing I can say about this waste of time "strain". Started 8 fem seeds...all germed quickly...they grew with decent vigor and finished flowering around 65 to 70 days...However the quality of the smoke is very low compared to the vast majority of strains I have grown out.
GHS should hang their heads in shame.p
High Times needs to stop promoting their crap.
I would have been better off if these seeds never germed.
test grown strains are the way to go for me.
if i cant find at least solid documentation for a breeder's older strains, from 3rd party sources, they can take their game somewhere else. breedbay, and certain s€€d bank forums are veritable treasure troves of information. the attitude will sell anyone's seeds regardless of quality, as will some other banks.