Bakatare666
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And, where in nature do you find 12 hrs. of night interrupted by 1 hr. of light?
All noobs read this before switching your light on please.
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Bakatare666
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What are 'wellies','hermosa' and 'noon online'?
You have made an interesting post, but I found it difficult to follow, constantly having to back up and re-read to figure out what you mean when you misspell/ misuse "Where/were", or "there/ their/ they're", lack of apostrophes, and commas, while caps locking unnecessary words, and not capitalizing all new sentences.
I also don't think this should be directed at 'newbs', that for the most part, have a hard enough time trying to water/ feed properly, and will make it even more difficult for them to get the 'basics' down.
You have made an interesting post, but I found it difficult to follow, constantly having to back up and re-read to figure out what you mean when you misspell/ misuse "Where/were", or "there/ their/ they're", lack of apostrophes, and commas, while caps locking unnecessary words, and not capitalizing all new sentences.
I also don't think this should be directed at 'newbs', that for the most part, have a hard enough time trying to water/ feed properly, and will make it even more difficult for them to get the 'basics' down.
smokecat
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I don't think it's a terrible idea. People are so dogmatic and set in there ways, it's sad. I would be interested to see a side by side, especially on the veg.. I've seen the shorter cycles on flowering done in the past and it did not seem to hurt yields. Apparently there are a lot of people on here who wouldn't like to save $$ on electricity.
Also. Post count really means nothing. I've seen people on here with 2000+ posts built up in a couple of weeks. And they posted pure garbage.
Peace.
Also. Post count really means nothing. I've seen people on here with 2000+ posts built up in a couple of weeks. And they posted pure garbage.
Peace.
Kite High
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yes ...less yield
hbbum
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Ok, so I can buy into the 12-1 for vegging because it makes sense that the 1 hour of light between the 5.5 would break down the florigen that gets created during the lights out time. There are a couple things about the that are annoying though:
1.) The whole "closer to nature" lead up is complete bullshit for the veg side of this method. Remove that you will not lose as much credibility.
2.) The idea that this will not slow down growth during vegetative growth is suspect, light is part of the fuel that makes a plant grow, reducing this will have some effect. I am still intrigued though, since you would be reducing energy consumption by 6hours a night, in a 30 day grow thats 180 hours, as long as you are not taking 10 additional days to veg to the same size this is a $$ savings.
Now on the flowering side,where you are actually closer to an actual "natural" lighting schedule you cannot overlook the fact that a longer dark cycle does promote accelerated flowering at the expense of growth(yield). Here you would need to also measure, does the shorter maturing time compensate for the yield? This method would also be next to impossible on a perpetual grow unless you had MASSIVE scale and had rooms for each lighting schedule.
The 12-1 portion seems worthwhile and is actually very simple to implement (just a small timer change). The flowering portion though is more complicated since you need to adjust either every week or every other week and will not work well in a perpetual grow.
1.) The whole "closer to nature" lead up is complete bullshit for the veg side of this method. Remove that you will not lose as much credibility.
2.) The idea that this will not slow down growth during vegetative growth is suspect, light is part of the fuel that makes a plant grow, reducing this will have some effect. I am still intrigued though, since you would be reducing energy consumption by 6hours a night, in a 30 day grow thats 180 hours, as long as you are not taking 10 additional days to veg to the same size this is a $$ savings.
Now on the flowering side,where you are actually closer to an actual "natural" lighting schedule you cannot overlook the fact that a longer dark cycle does promote accelerated flowering at the expense of growth(yield). Here you would need to also measure, does the shorter maturing time compensate for the yield? This method would also be next to impossible on a perpetual grow unless you had MASSIVE scale and had rooms for each lighting schedule.
The 12-1 portion seems worthwhile and is actually very simple to implement (just a small timer change). The flowering portion though is more complicated since you need to adjust either every week or every other week and will not work well in a perpetual grow.
Lemon king
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were is your evidence to support your theory???? or are you just going to say cause everyone does it that way?
puffdatchronic
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16- 18 hours is just fine .18 to be on the safe side. 24 hours light is ridiculous imo, can't believe people do that. The as lantern approach may work, but does it happen in nature? It also seems a sure way to wear out your bulb.
Kite High
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Well all this light timing crap you are doing will never be demonstrated til you learn how to properly feed your plant...that thing has cupped leaves and is puny...This alone discredits you
Lemon king
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I apologise about my grammer, however i do find it very difficult to spell believe it or not and sometimes cant choose the right correction on spell check so i leave it. my apologies.
i do not agree that this is to hard for a new grower to learn. Most new growers don't have the money for grand set ups, all you have to do is look at the diy section to see people are skint, so the same yeild for less electric and cost makes sense.
if you are a perpetual grower (i am) or possibly a commercial grower (im sure your on here) then this saving in electric is huge.
you can implement the flowering times in a perp set up. i use four 600w in two 8 x8 rooms. i used plastic sheeting to split the rooms in half (so i have 4 rooms total) i then place 2 trees in dwc under each light and move them to the next section every two weeks (8 weeks tot flowering time)
Kite High
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From over 30 years doing this and minoring in botany as I obtained my BS in computer science and chemistry
And heres my proof
Lemon king
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the cupped leaves are due to a massive shift in temps from day to night that i cannot rectify atm, however if you feel im missing something please say...
could you please post a pick of one of your flowering plants of the same age so we can compare??
Below is a Green house seeds super lemon haze i grew ages ago under 18hrs veg and 12/12 for flower vegged for 6 weeks and flowerd for 10.5 weeks
its an old pick but its all i have of a grow i done at 18hrs on and 12/12....
i expect this method to beat this girl easily.
Kite High
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Cannabis is a type C plant...it needs no dark period at all until inducing bloom...roots grow constantly not just in lights off...that is erroneous info...I 24/0 for the first month of veg then 18/6 as they are now co2 supplemented and that makes them grow so fast why not save the 6 hours electricity...lol
Lemon king
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darn thats a nice even canopy, i hate popcorn....lolFrom over 30 years doing this and minoring in botany as I obtained my BS in computer science and chemistry
And heres my proof
Kite High
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The posted pic is 5 weeks flower on a 12 week strain Claustrum ...you cant even control your environmental factors yet you act as though your tests mean a thing....when you learn more holla at me...not wasting my time with you...
Kite High
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no popcorn dude they are lit top to bottom even below the canopy...are you blind or what? and those plants are 5-6 1/2 foot of plant
chuck estevez
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trying to replicate nature with a hid isn't going to happen. No light bulb can compare to the sun.
Lemon king
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SOME HOW THIS HAS TURNED INTO A COMPETION OF who can put the best pic of there buds up. all of these negative comments are taking away from the fact none of you have tried this method and none of you know it works, and thats fine you can be set in your ways, dosent mean everyone else has too.
p.s if im just saying (an i am) your buds are some of the skinniest i have seen in ages thank the stars I didnt study botany
hbbum
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Not sure if the additional light cycle per day would be off set by the 6 fewer hours of light you use. In the original write up of this method, they mention you can use a lesser light source for the interruption hour as a way to still break down the florigen, but save wear on your bulb/ballast, this hour of lighting isn't so much to grow the plants as it is to prevent flowering. This would indeed complicate the 12-1 routine though, since you would need 2 timers if you ran 2 sets of lights.
I've never run it, it does seem interesting though.
Kite High
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have fun with your yellow plants...see ya