have a question about trimming lolypoping..

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korf41

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mates ı have 6 autos under 400w hps.used 24 hours light mostly on veg and they streched a lot.ı decided to trim lower branches to gain enery for upper sides. ı was a bit high and decided to bring some top of lower branches and cut of some bottom nodes on upper branches.after effect of stone gone,plants started to look a bit naked and ı have a feeling that ı fucked my yield.

so my question is;bringing some top of lower branches and trimming some bottom nodes of upper branches is a retard move? ı guess they will waste more energy for lower branches than nodes at same branch.how much that can effect my yield? thanks for any idea.
 
shagg909

shagg909

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put up some pics would make it easier to help you bra, i wouldnt think youve completely fucked your yield but it might not have helped,
just stick to cutting off the fan leaves that block light to lower branches, thats what i do man none of this crazy chopping up ya plant haha.
 
hsfkush

hsfkush

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korf41 said:
mates ı have 6 autos under 400w hps.used 24 hours light mostly on veg and they streched a lot.ı decided to trim lower branches to gain enery for upper sides. ı was a bit high and decided to bring some top of lower branches and cut of some bottom nodes on upper branches.after effect of stone gone,plants started to look a bit naked and ı have a feeling that ı fucked my yield.

so my question is;bringing some top of lower branches and trimming some bottom nodes of upper branches is a retard move? ı guess they will waste more energy for lower branches than nodes at same branch.how much that can effect my yield? thanks for any idea.
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It's not a "retard move" as such, it's a bit silly to defoliate as much as that assuming I'm reading correctly. If you make a mistake when growing, just make sure you learn from it ;)
 
simisimis

simisimis

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i'd not trim a single leave, would grow as it is, if possible add some t5 or cfl for side lighting, if not, then just let it grow. cutting to me resulted in smaller yield and less happy plant.. just supply ur plant with enough nitrogen rich nutes so lower leaves would not yellow and ull be fine. my guess - u got ur streching with 2000k hps, also maybe together with high p foods. young plants needs at least 2700-3000k of light color, hps make them stretch
 
Sir.Ganga

Sir.Ganga

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Lollipopping is a great way to eliminate popcorn bud. Leaving the main head on a side branch while removing growing shoots(suckers) from the upper branching(within reason)will not lessen your yield but increase bud size and if done correctly increases yield. Not sure how it works with auto's...never tried. Do some reading on the subject and take it slowly at first and you will figure out what should go and what stays.TheTechnique027.jpg Looks like I went overboard? She produced 17 zips...Now you tell me.
 
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churchhaze

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Lollipopping (cutting the suckers from the bottom of stems when you go 12/12 and again a week or 2 into flowering), is a great way to pack more plants together in a smaller area by giving up what would have turned into popcorn anyway. The way sir ganja does it shows what to cut off.

Never cut the top fan leaves to let light through to the lower buds. Don't have lower buds.
 
lykarckstar420

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What if you tied your plant down and plan to leave it that way through harvest.... Still lollipop them ?
this is the issue I am having right now. I was under the impresion that by tying down the plant, lolipop a mute point.

thanks
 
hsfkush

hsfkush

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churchhaze said:
Lollipopping (cutting the suckers from the bottom of stems when you go 12/12 and again a week or 2 into flowering), is a great way to pack more plants together in a smaller area by giving up what would have turned into popcorn anyway. The way sir ganja does it shows what to cut off.

Never cut the top fan leaves to let light through to the lower buds. Don't have lower buds.
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I was thinking about attempting lollipoping as an experiment but I am unsure if I'm too far into flowering, I'm approaching the middle of week 3, what do you think?
 
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churchhaze

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It's never too late to cut the sucker buds growing on the bottom of stems, but cutting entire lower branches might be too late at 3 weeks in. Rule of thumb is if the branch has already stretched and reached the top canopy, don't cut the branch. It's already stretched to the same level. Just cut the suckers from the bottom nodes while leaving the leaves.

You don't really get any benefit lollipopping unless you have extra plants you want to pack in. Lollipopping alone doesn't increase yield, making sure you have a dense canopy does.

The name of the game is having a nice even, full, level canopy with even light distribution across the canopy. That's how you maximize yield regardless of whether you get there through SCROG, sog, LST, lollipopping, etc. I happen to think a SOG of many lollipops is more efficient than a small number of larger plants with more veg time simply because it takes less veg time to get a nice full canopy.

hsfkush said:
I was thinking about attempting lollipoping as an experiment but I am unsure if I'm too far into flowering, I'm approaching the middle of week 3, what do you think?
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korf41

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Sir.Ganga said:
Lollipopping is a great way to eliminate popcorn bud. Leaving the main head on a side branch while removing growing shoots(suckers) from the upper branching(within reason)will not lessen your yield but increase bud size and if done correctly increases yield. Not sure how it works with auto's...never tried. Do some reading on the subject and take it slowly at first and you will figure out what should go and what stays.View attachment 2665788 Looks like I went overboard? She produced 17 zips...Now you tell me.
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mate yours look bushy and healthy.ı wouldnt care if they look like that.my plants stretched far much than specially on side branches.this why ı thought to cut some bottom nodes instead of lower branches.
 
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korf41

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sorry for late answers,falled asleep.not have the camera with me now.gonna try to keep live this thread with some photos in a week to show how they are turning out.
will be grateful for any suggestions still.
 
hsfkush

hsfkush

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Thanks for the info guys, I thought 3 weeks was a little too far in personally. I don't want to stress it into producing seeds.
 
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churchhaze

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You won't stress it at all by cutting off sucker buds, in fact quite the contrary. More sap for the rest of the buds.

The problem with cutting 3 weeks in is the bud sites you see are close to the total amount you'll see, whereas at 1-2 weeks in, the plant is still sort of deciding how many bud sites it will make. (wasn't sure how to word that) An example of what I mean is that if you chop the top cola off a plant 4 weeks into flowering, it's not growing back. That was your top bud and it's gone, but if you top when you first switch to 12/12, it'll grow a lot of bud sites and will not hurt yield (not that i recommend doing that).

When people lollipop their plants to only have 1 main cola, they generally prune when changing to 12/12 and then again a week into the process.

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Thanks for the info guys, I thought 3 weeks was a little too far in personally. I don't want to stress it into producing seeds.
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churchhaze

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This is basically what I meant by lollipopping the branches themselves, only I leave the leaves related to the branch on and only remove the suckers/shoots.

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korf41

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hsfkush said:
Thanks for the info guys, I thought 3 weeks was a little too far in personally. I don't want to stress it into producing seeds.
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mate ı grew autos usually so far and cut off lowest branches with 1-2 bottom nodes producing nothing even late flowering.but you can stress your plant if you go far and try fully lolypop at that stage.probably things not change as churchhaze said.maybe you can save some energy
 
Sir.Ganga

Sir.Ganga

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hsfkush said:
Thanks for the info guys, I thought 3 weeks was a little too far in personally. I don't want to stress it into producing seeds.
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Are you seeing little flowers yet? You can clean the sucker shoots right up until the 4th or 5th week without affecting your yield, but you need to know what and when is enough. If I were you I would remove a little from the lower branches and leave the top 7-8 inches alone, you will loose some of the popcorn and see for yourself if this will work for you. Good Luck
 
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