Someone I know is in a Coma

Finshaggy

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I am worried about Neural Repair once he wakes up, so I am here to ask you guys:
What herbs, drugs, vitamins or nootropic support Neural Repair?

And I will share what I have found:
Vitamin C, Folic Acid, B6, B12, Vitamin E, Vitamin D, Ginger & Omega-3 all support neural repair.
AND
The CB1 receptor in the human brain is related to fear, anxiety, memory and addiction (according to recent studies) and apparently when Cannabis acts on this receptor, it promotes "Neurogenesis".
Neurogenesis is where new brain/neural cells are "birthed", and it can even happen in adults. When these cells are born, it makes new & stronger neural pathways. Which basically translates to stronger brain activity.
PLEASE LIST ANY STRAINS OR SYNTHETICS THAT HIT THE CB1 RECEPTOR. I also just did some reading, and I found that in Israel they have increased success rate with brain trauma patients by 26% (reducing swelling, waking from coma, etc) using a Cannabinoid.
They did a trial across 6 clinics.
They are using 1 specific synthetic cannabinoid that they developed, but there are Israeli doctors who are saying that it would be fine to use other Cannabinoids to treat patients.
And studies show that cannabinoids help prevent any damage to the brain as well.
I live in Colorado, so hopefully the future will be bright
 

jtprin

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Goji berries, astaxanthin, vitamin D3, magnesium, camu camu powder, juicing raw cannabis leaves, organic whole-food multivitamins, chlorella, lots of fruits and veggies, pure water (NOT tap or bottled), hemp and chia seeds, walnuts, pistachios, almonds, sunflower seeds, probiotics (very important). Make sure ALL food and supplements are organic and come from high quality sources. And the nuts should be raw and sprouted.
 

Finshaggy

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Goji berries, astaxanthin, vitamin D3, magnesium, camu camu powder, juicing raw cannabis leaves, organic whole-food multivitamins, chlorella, lots of fruits and veggies, pure water (NOT tap or bottled), hemp and chia seeds, walnuts, pistachios, almonds, sunflower seeds, probiotics (very important). Make sure ALL food and supplements are organic and come from high quality sources. And the nuts should be raw and sprouted.
Thank you :)
 

minnesmoker

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I can't read the OP's posts, because he's the only person on my ignore list. But this topic reminded me of a great song!

[video=youtube;j5b_V68mQ9k]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j5b_V68mQ9k[/video]
 

BygonEra

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Did/does he have a traumatic brain injury? My best friend and roommate was recently involved in a terrible car accident, had to have part of her skull removed to relieve swelling and the doctors were very surprised she pulled through. She was in an induced coma for about 2-3 weeks. It's been about 4 months since the accident and she's doing great... Just realize there is a major recovery process for the brain and no amount of supplements or anything else can prevent this from happening. Choline and B5 are very important in the proper firing of nerve impulses in the brain.

Here's a really helpful list of some supplements and herbs and how they can help someone with a TBI: http://healing.about.com/od/diseasesandhealthissues/a/tbi_5.htm

Hope your friend recovers well!
 

Finshaggy

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Did/does he have a traumatic brain injury? My best friend and roommate was recently involved in a terrible car accident, had to have part of her skull removed to relieve swelling and the doctors were very surprised she pulled through. She was in an induced coma for about 2-3 weeks. It's been about 4 months since the accident and she's doing great... Just realize there is a major recovery process for the brain and no amount of supplements or anything else can prevent this from happening. Choline and B5 are very important in the proper firing of nerve impulses in the brain.

Here's a really helpful list of some supplements and herbs and how they can help someone with a TBI: http://healing.about.com/od/diseasesandhealthissues/a/tbi_5.htm

Hope your friend recovers well!
It was an allergy induced heart attack that cut off the oxygen supply to the brain. I'm not sure how long they had no oxygen, I wasn't there and I am too far away (with no car) to get there.
 

MojoRison

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Fin check this out, something along these lines may help your friend...if you're looking for cannabinoids that is
[video=youtube_share;7xPmR8j4plw]http://youtu.be/7xPmR8j4plw [/video]
 

Finshaggy

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Some stuff I found
Some studies have shown that the use of cannabinoids results in the growth of new nerve cells in the hippocampus from both embryonic and adult stem cells. In 2005 a clinical study of rats at the University of Saskatchewan showed regeneration of nerve cells in the hippocampus.[SUP][54][/SUP] Studies have shown that a synthetic drug resembling THC, the main psychoactive ingredient in marijuana, provides some protection against brain inflammation, which might result in better memory at an older age. This is due to receptors in the system that can also influence the production of new neurons.[SUP][55][/SUP] Nonetheless, a study directed at Rutgers University demonstrated how synchronization of action potentials in the hippocampus of rats was altered after THC administration. Lack of synchronization resulted in impaired performance in a standard test of memory.[SUP][56][/SUP]
Marijuana
Marijuana And Traumatic Brain Injury
ABC News - Oct. 5 2001



Research at the Hebrew University in Israel, reported in the journal Nature, shows that a cannabinoid, similar to the active ingredient found in marijuana and produced in the brains of many animals, protects mice from brain injury.

Mice that sustained brain injuries were discovered to have elevated levels of a compound known as 2-Arachodonoyl glycerol, or 2-AG. Theorizing that this cannabinoid was produced to prevent damage, the researchers administered more of the compound to injured mice and found it protected the brain.



Treatment
Currently, there is no effective drug for the treatment of traumatic brain injury. In the U.S., there are nearly 52,000 deaths and roughly 80,000 cases of severe disability related to traumatic brain injury every year.

There are more than 5.3 million people in the U.S. living with disabilities related to traumatic brain injury — numbers far greater than those for multiple sclerosis, Parkinson's disease and Alzheimer's disease.

"Brain injury is not a one-shot deal. The primary injury occurs from the initial hit. Neurochemical injuries can cause secondary damage," said Dr. Ken Strauss of Temple University.

The secondary effects of brain injuries, such as swelling and the release of toxic chemicals, can be more damaging than the initial blow, said Dr. Esther Shohami, lead author of the study.

The cannabinoid, 2-AG, is believed to work in three ways. First, it reduces the levels of glutamate, a toxic molecule, released after injury. Second, it decreases the amount of free radicals and TNF (a chemical that induces inflammation) after injury. Third, it increases the blood supply to the brain. All three mechanisms are essential for limiting the damage done after the primary injury.

"The dose has to be very carefully controlled," Dr. Shohami said — noting that requirement is one of a number of reasons why marijuana, which can vary in potency, would likely be an unreliable treatment for head injuries.

She added that 2-AG must be administered within a four- to six-hour window after the injury to be effective.



Use In Humans
Although 2-AG has only been tested on animals, Dr. Shohami said she didn't "see any problems with using a drug from this family to treat patients." Other cannabinoids have been approved for use in humans, such as synthetic forms of THC used to stimulate appetite.

In fact, one pharmaceutical company is trying to develop a similar drug for humans. With the help of researchers at the Hebrew University, Pharmos is set to begin the final stage of clinical trials of Dexanabinol — a drug that is essentially the mirror image of THC, the active ingredient in marijuana. Because it is not exactly like THC, it does not bind to the same part of the brain, and therefore does not have the unwanted side effects.

However, the drug appears to exert effects similar to other cannabinoids on the brain after injury — that is, a decrease in toxic chemicals and swelling. The first two phases of clinical trials were completed in Israel to test for safety. The third and final phase of the trials is set to begin in Europe in January, followed closely by trials in the U.S.
http://www.thecompassionclub.org/library/trauma.html

Synthetic marijuana helps trauma patients


Associated Press, October 9, 1998

SEATTLE -- Marijuana can get you high but won't help you much if you're knocked unconcious.

Now, a synthetic "mirror image" of marijuana's active agent won't get you high but may be a leap forward in treatment for head trauma patients.

The discovery also could fuel further debate over laws that ban virtually any marijuana research in the U.S.

In a $2-million test at six trauma centres in Israel, an injection of dexanabinol was associated with a 26-per-cent increase in survival among patients who lost consciousness after blunt blows to the head, said Dr. Nachshon Knoller, a neurosurgeon at Sheba Medical Centre near Tel Aviv.

Knoller's findings were announced Wednesday at the Congress of Neurological Surgeons, an annual gathering of about 2,000 doctors and scientists.

Of the 67 patients in the study, 30 got one injection of the chemical knockoff based on cannabis within six hours after being injured and a control group of 37 got placebos.

On a test called the Glasgow Outcome Scale, 40 per cent of those given the drug made a virtually complete recovery within three months, compared with 19 per cent of those who received the placebo. Six months out, 45 per cent had recovered, compared to 37 per cent.

No adverse effects were reported. The most pronounced side effects included upper body and facial flushing, hiccups and tightness of the chest.

"This research indicates that this drug therapy has an immediate and long-term benefit to severe head-injury patients," Knoller said. "There currently is no approved drug therapy for patients with these types of injuries."

Animal tests indicate the drug also holds promise in combating the debilitating effects of stroke, multiple sclerosis, nerve gas and inflammatory bowel disorders such as colitis, he said.

Pharmos Corp., with offices in Iselin, N.J., and research operations in Israel, is seeking a corporate partner for a $20-million study involving 700 to 1,000 patients, said Anat Biegon, vice-president for research and development.

The drug "has a number of very interesting features, although it's a relatively small study," said Dr. Brian T. Andrews, neurosurgeon at the University of California in San Francisco, who heads the congress's neurotrauma section. "It has multiple properties at the cellular level that seem to be beneficial."

Head injury is the leading cause of death among children and young adults in the United States, where nearly 100,000 people a year are disabled by it.

Like any soft tissue, the brain swells when bruised. Contained within the skull, the buildup of pressure contricts the flow of blood, especially when bleeding or internal hemorrhaging from other injuries reduces blood pressure. Faced with chemicals released by the damaged cells, brain cells that survive the initial injury also become threatened.

Doctors now can do little but monitor a comatose patient for brain pressure, give a dru called Mannitol to lower the pressure for up to six hours, provide hyperventilation to lower the pressure for one or two hours or result in such drastic steps as opening the skill, Andrews said.

Dexanabinol was found to combat three processes that contribute to loss of brain cells after blunt-force trauma.

The drug blocks glutamates, amino acids that may multiply with deadly effect following damage to cell membranes. It scavanges free radicals, the destabilizing byproducts of oxygen metabolism that also seem to multiply in damaged cells. It also inhibits the action of inflammatory cytokine, which causes swelling.
http://www.maps.org/pipermail/maps_forum/1998-October/001231.html

Science / Marit Slavin

How hash became a smash in brain trauma research

The story behind a major Israeli medical breakthrough - the marijuana
derivative that promises to help treat head injuries=20

In the mid-1960s, when researchers Rafael Meshulam and Yehiel Ga'oni
isolated the active component in cannabis sativa - marijuana - and
identified it chemically, they never for a moment imagined that 35 years
later this knowledge would be able to help save people with serious head
injuries."It was recognized then that cannabis had useful medical
properties beyond its influence on the sensations and emotions," says
Professor Meshulam, who researches natural substances at the Hebrew
University medical school. "So I decided to try separate these properties
from its ability to alter perception."=20

Accordingly, Meshulam and his students synthesized several hundred
substances similar in structure to the active ingredient in cannabis but
each with minute chemical differences. One of the families of substances
tested included one that looked liked the mirror image of cannabis,
something like the resemblance between the right and left hands.=20

When this family was tested, it did not affect perception - but did have
several other effects on the brain, which surprised the researchers. One
member of the family got the code name 211HU/UH112, now commercially known
as Dexanabinol.=20

Meshulam turned to biochemists Yoel Klug and Mordechai Sokolovsky at the
Tel Aviv University Neurobiology Department to continue testing the action
of the substances they had isolated. It emerged that dexanabinol was
involved in the action of the neurotransmitter glutamate, which
participates in the transmission of neural signals in the brain. Glutamate
is secreted in the brain synapses, and after it has been secreted it
connects with special receptors located in the nerve cells. When connected,
a channel opens in the cell wall, enabling calcium ions to enter.=20

Normal neural communication is a controlled procedure denoted by the
limited entry of calcium ions into the nerve cells. However, when the brain
is injured or suffering from impaired blood or oxygen supply, excess
quantities of glutamate are secreted and large quantities of calcium ions
penetrate the nerve cells, causing them to die off.

Research over the last 10 years showed that excess secretion of glutamate
from damaged cells to neighboring cells and from them to connecting cells
in a steadily-increasing pattern leads to brain damage that spreads from an
injured area to much wider areas of the brain. This prompted the theory
that a substance capable of blocking the entrance of calcium ions to nerve
cells might prevent the death of injured brain cells. The surprising
property found in dexanabinol was its ability to block the calcium channels
linked to the glutamate receptor. The finding opened the way for wide
medical use, and the Israeli biotech company Pharmos purchased the rights
to the "mirrorsubstance and financed continued study. Led by Dr. Anat
Bi'agon, vice president of research and development at Pharmos, research
focused on the possibilities of using the substance to treat all kinds of
brain injuries. In addition to glutamate secretion, there are other
biochemical processes that contribute to brain damage. An increased number
of damaging free radicals (substances with strong chemical action) is
created in the injured area and an infectious process is triggered in the
brain, for example. It emerged that dexanabinol neutralizes the free
radicals and also halts the infectious process.

"A unique picture emerged of a substance that works on three different
mechanisms, all involved in the pathological processes occurring in the
injured brain," says Bi'agon. After that success, research was extended to
yet another team, which studied whether the material could help treat
general head injuries. Professor Esther Shohami of the pharmacology
department at Hebrew University Medical School conducted this part of the
research. Shohami tested the material on rats. As a result of head injury,
rats, like humans, are susceptible to brain processes that cause short and
long-term clinical symptoms like temporary or continuing loss of
consciousness, paralysis, and death. In addition to brain cell damage,
which spreads from cell to cell, an edema can develop in the brain 24 to 48
hours after an injury. The edema in itself could cause death or long-term
neural damage. In addition, the patient's blood pressure often drops,
preventing optimal blood supply to the brain cells, undermining
rehabilitation. Both the edema and lowered blood pressure increase the
damage to the injured brain. The rats were given a single injection of
dexanabinol up to six hours after the injury. A control group received no
treatment after the injury. It was found that dexanabinol prevented neural
damage from spreading in the treated rats, while the control group
exhibited classic head injury symptoms like paralysis and disturbances in
perception. When the researchers examined what had happened in the rats'
brains, they saw that the brain edema that develops in head injuries was
prevented in the experimental group. Dexanabinol also prevented long-term
nerve damage.

Until this breakthrough there had been no effective treatment for head
injuries. The usual treatment is supportive and attempts to minimize brain
damage by reducing the edema. There is still no medication available to
prevent brain cells from dying. But the encouraging results with animals
led to a series of experiments with humans. In the first stage of
experiments using humans, the safety of the medication was tested; in other
words, the extent, if any, of its toxicity to humans. This experiment was
conducted about two years ago in England on a group of healthy volunteers
who received varying quantities of the substance. It provided researchers
with information on what doses of the medication could be used effectively
without side effects. The results were good: The substance was not toxic
and could be given to patients in quantities required for therapeutic=
action.

The success of the first phase of the experiment allowed the second phase
to commence in October 1996 in Israel. In this stage the efficacy of the
medication was tested on a relatively small number of people. The
experiment was conducted at six Israeli centers under the direction of Dr.
Nahshon Kanolar, senior doctor in the neurosurgery department of the Sheba
Medical Center at Tel Hashomer Hospital. Sixty-seven patients aged 16 to 65
participated in the experiment. All were unconscious, with serious head
injuries and evidence of brain damage. The medication was injected within
six hours of injury.The patients were divided into two groups. The
experimental group received the medication and the control group received a
placebo. The experiment was blind - none of the participants, neither
doctors nor patients, knew who was in the experimental group and who in the
control group. Participants in the two groups were randomly chosen. The 67
patients represented all that is known about people with head injuries:
Most are men, the average age is 30 and the primary reason for head injury
is road accidents. During the experiment the patients were under close
observation for up to six months after the injury. Special emphasis was
laid on the safety of the medication. Research was thoroughly checked by an
outside safety committee from the United States that received data on each
patient while the experiment was underway.

No safety problems were discovered and no side effects of the medication
were seen. Kanolar and Bi'agon are currently reporting on the results at a
major medical conference in Seattle. Their findings: a comparison between
the experimental and control groups shows that the treated group had a
significant advantage. The medication clearly lowered the extent of the
edema developing in the brain, a fact observed by checking the
inter-cranial pressure in the two groups of patients. The medication also
prevented the drop in blood pressure common to head injuries. "These two
findings indicate that the medication improves the patients' condition, and
definitely improves their chances of recovery," says Kanolar. When the rate
of recovery of the patients was examined, a definite difference emerged in
favor of those who received the medication, both in terms of the number of
patients who achieved full recovery and the speed of recovery. The
difference in the mortality rate was not notable. There was a 10 percent
mortality rate for those receiving the medication while for the control
group it was 13 percent. "In serious head injuries it is common to
concentrate on improving the situation, because the mortality rate is low.
No one is seeking a medication to reduce mortality, because that has no
significance. What is important here is the extent of reduced disability
and return to normal functioning," says Bi'agon. In the next stage, phase
three, the experiment goes international and will be conducted on hundreds
of patients. If it proves itself the medication will be given the go-ahead
for marketing.

copyright 1998 Ha'aretz. All Rights Reserved

The question arises: Is this compound even naturally occuring in marijuana,
in significant amounts? And if it is not, what is responsible for the
reported anti-stroke effect of cannabis? Ibogaine has been patented as a
superior (i.e., less toxic) anti-stroke medication by Olney. Nowhere does
Ha'aretz explain that the receptor in question is the NMDA receptor, famous
from Ibogaine research.

Dana


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Finshaggy

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More stuff I found
Fin McKinneyCBS) A year ago, Assaf Yefet was out riding his horse and got hit by a car. The head injury he received put him in a coma for ten days and could have left him brain damaged for life. But an experimental new drug has put him back in the saddle again, reports CBS News Correspondent Jesse Schulman.
"Chances were against him," says Israeli neurosurgeon Dr. Nachshon Knoller. "He didn't react to any commands, he didn't open his eyes, he didn't talk."
What improved Yefet's odds was a dose of dexanabinol, a cannabis derivative being tested by Knoller for an Israeli pharmaceutical company. The new treatment could turn out to be a life saver for tens of thousands of accident victims every year.
Dexanabinol's developers were searching for a way to exploit medicinal powers ascribed to marijuana since antiquity, by using the tools of modern science.
"Cannabis has both good things and bad things and so the idea was how to separate the good from the bad," says Haim Aviv, the CEO of Pharmos, Inc.




They accomplished the feat with a synthetic form of cannabis that's chemically stripped of psychedelic powers - starting with a drug that blows minds and ending up with a medicine that heals brains.
Given within a few hours of a head injury, dexanabinol helps keep the brain from swelling up and literally crushing itself inside the skull. Only a few dozen patients have been treated so far, but a top U.S. brain surgeon says the results are the most promising he's seen in twenty years.
"The pressure inside the head was reduced very dramatically in these patients and that is one thing that we've been looking for and this is most exciting," says Dr. Lawrence Marshall, the head of University of California San Diego's Neurosurgery Department.
Dexanabinol still has to go through a final round of clinical trials to make sure it lives up to its early promise. The developers are hoping to get on the FDA's "fast track" for approval. If they are successful, dexanabinol could be at work in U.S. emergency rooms in about two and half yearsREHOVOT, Israel
Monday, August 02,1999 - 09:29 AM ET
Reported by Jesse Schulman
©1999, CBS Worldwide Inc., All Rights Reserved.
http://www.cbs.com/flat/story_173302.html
Traumatic brain injury triggers the accumulation of harmful mediators that may lead to secondary damage[SUP]1, [/SUP][SUP]2[/SUP]. Protective mechanisms to attenuate damage are also set in motion[SUP]2[/SUP]. 2-Arachidonoyl glycerol (2-AG) is an endogenous cannabinoid, identified both in the periphery[SUP]3[/SUP] and in the brain[SUP]4[/SUP], but its physiological roles have been only partially clarified[SUP]5, [/SUP][SUP]6, [/SUP][SUP]7[/SUP]. Here we show that, after injury to the mouse brain, 2-AG may have a neuroprotective role in which the cannabinoid system is involved. After closed head injury (CHI) in mice, the level of endogenous 2-AG was significantly elevated. We administered synthetic 2-AG to mice after CHI and found significant reduction of brain oedema, better clinical recovery, reduced infarct volume and reduced hippocampal cell death compared with controls. When 2-AG was administered together with additional inactive 2-acyl-glycerols that are normally present in the brain, functional recovery was significantly enhanced. The beneficial effect of 2-AG was dose-dependently attenuated by SR-141761A, an antagonist of the CB[SUB]1[/SUB] cannabinoid receptor.
Since the mid 2000&#8242;s researchers have been building an appreciation for the power of marijuana-like substances that make up the brain&#8217;s cannabinoid systems. In animal experiments, for example, synthetic compounds similar to THC&#8212;marijuana&#8217;s main psychoactive component&#8212;have shown promise in preserving brain functions. A 2008 study even demonstrated that a THC-like substance reduced brain inflammation and improved memory in older rats.

Read more: http://healthland.time.com/2012/10/29/how-cannabinoids-may-slow-brain-aging/#ixzz2V0Dq3Fwk
The latest review, published in Philosophical Transactions of the Royal Society B, suggests that activating the brain&#8217;s cannabinoid system may trigger a sort of anti-oxidant cleanse, removing damaged cells and improving the efficiency of the mitochrondria, the energy source that powers cells, ultimately leading to a more robustly functioning brain.
Previous studies have linked cannabinoids to increased amounts of brain-derived neurotrophic factor (BDNF), a substance that protects brain cells and promotes the growth of new ones. Since new cell growth slows or stops during aging, increasing BDNF could potentially slow the decline in cognitive functions.


Read more: http://healthland.time.com/2012/10/29/how-cannabinoids-may-slow-brain-aging/#ixzz2V0E0HiBiAndras Bilkei-Gorzo of the Institute of Molecular Psychiatry at the University of Bonn in Germany and an author of the study, is encouraged by the expanding knowledge of the brain&#8217;s cannabinoid system and its potential for leading to new understanding of aging in the brain. &#8220;[C]annabinoid system activity is neuroprotective,&#8221; he wrote, and increasing it &#8220;could be a promising strategy for slowing down the progression of brain aging and for alleviating the symptoms of neurodegenerative disorders.&#8221;
Still, Gary Wenk, professor of neuroscience, immunology and medical genetics at Ohio State University, who conducted some of the research Bilkei-Gorzo included in the review, is aware of the delicate nature of cannabinoid research, given the controversial nature of medical marijuana issues. &#8220;The literature is a mess and he&#8217;s done a nice job organizing it,&#8221; he says. &#8220;He was positive about developing cannabinoid drugs without going overboard.&#8221;


Read more: http://healthland.time.com/2012/10/29/how-cannabinoids-may-slow-brain-aging/#ixzz2V0E4cbveOther studies covered in the review showed that mice bred to lack the cannabinoid receptors have better memories early in life but have more rapid cognitive decline as they age, including inflammation in the hippocampus, a key region for memory. &#8220;This finding suggests that, at some point during aging, cannabinoid activity helps maintain normal cognitive functions in mice,&#8221; says Daniele Piomelli, professor of neurobiology, anatomy and biological chemistry at the University of California &#8211; Irvine, who was not associated with the study.
Piomelli cautions that the review doesn&#8217;t support the idea of using marijuana to improve brain aging among the elderly, not least because of its psychoactive effects. &#8220;This is definitely an important area of investigation but we are still far from a consensus,&#8221; he says.


Read more: http://healthland.time.com/2012/10/29/how-cannabinoids-may-slow-brain-aging/#ixzz2V0E9fTfA
 

curious2garden

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I can't read the OP's posts, because he's the only person on my ignore list. But this topic reminded me of a great song!
PERFECT choice! :) I always liked this The Smiths song.
[video=youtube;pEq8DBxm0J4]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pEq8DBxm0J4[/video]
 

mysunnyboy

Well-Known Member
marinol? :eyesmoke:

EDIT: oh wait Swim is currently in a coma? if so never mind.

i know i know it's seriouuuuusss (in my best morrissey voice)
 

curious2garden

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Staff member
marinol? :eyesmoke:

EDIT: oh wait Swim is currently in a coma? if so never mind.

i know i know it's seriouuuuusss (in my best morrissey voice)
I know the first thing we ordered for all neurosurgical patients was Marinol down the NG tube (NOT). At the point of coma we sort of have bigger fish to fry LOL But I'm sure the OP will make neuro history unlike all the poor idiot board certified neurosurgeons out there **snicker**

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