thank you guys for yr replies. i do see a few fungus gnats here and there, and i have dealt with them in the past. however i last night after i posted i went and checked my dwc plants for these worms but i didnt find any. ive been doin this now for 2 years and ive battled pests before, but i dnt think thew fungus gnats are causing my dwc plants to die before i can get them big enough to flower. whats happening is they are suffering from root rot until they die. there is brown gunk on them that comes off when washed, but comes back quick. i have temps 65-70, humidity at 40%, great circulation, a huge air pump that makes the water like a jacuzzi, and t5 lighting for veg. and yet i cant get a clone to survive. ive tried h202, sm90, hygrozyme, gonats, various mycos, and even heisenbergs myco tea, yet nothing works. i thot the worms might be the cause but after further inspection last night there was no sign of them on the dwc plants. anybody got any ideas? im super frustrated and im now way behind schedule on my perpetual. i just dnt know what to do