A actual serious question for Christians

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BigNBushy

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ShazMo09 said:
If god can do anything, can he create a rock so heavy that even he cannot lift it??
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The fallacy is yours. You are applying human limitations to a devine being.

Can God create a rock so big he cannot lift it? Sure he can.

Can he then lift that rock, sure he can, he creates larger and stronger muscles for himself.
 
Beefbisquit

Beefbisquit

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BigNBushy said:
The fallacy is yours. You are applying human limitations to a devine being.

Can God create a rock so big he cannot lift it? Sure he can.

Can he then lift that rock, sure he can, he creates larger and stronger muscles for himself.
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That's not a real answer to the question.

The question states; "Can god create a rock so big that even he cannot lift it?"

Not; "Can go create a rock so big that he has to make himself bigger muscles to lift it?"

The question explicitly states "a rock that he cannot lift".​

By stating there is nothing that god cannot do, you are also explicitly stating there are things he cannot do.
 
rockethoe

rockethoe

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Beefbisquit said:
That's not a real answer to the question.

The question states; "Can god create a rock so big that even he cannot lift it?"

Not; "Can go create a rock so big that he has to make himself bigger muscles to lift it?"

The question explicitly states "a rock that he cannot lift".​

By stating there is nothing that god cannot do, you are also explicitly stating there are things he cannot do.
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Our rules of logic don't even apply to the outer universe in terms of physical being, so it would be no surprise if it doesn't apply to the metaphysical.
 
rockethoe

rockethoe

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huklburryfin said:
An actual series of questions*

1.Is heaven is better than "real life"?
2. Or do you want to go because hell sucks?
3. Or, are both "real life" and heaven equally good?
4. What is the point of life?

If the answer is "yes" to No. 1, then why did god just skip earth, with all its shitty-ness?
If the answer is "yes" to No. 2, then how can you praise the guy that forced you to live with the "alright" existence on earth [compared to heaven] instead of sending you straight to heaven?
If the answer is "yes" to No. 3, explain how.
Explain No. 4.

Provide your answers in
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Answer to questions 1,2 &3:
Solid details of the afterlife, heaven and in particular, hell are notably sparse in the scriptures. Heaven is the most talked about, of the three.
a great quote from an article about what the early followers of Jesus believed about heaven :

The followers of the Jesus-movement that grew up in that complex environment saw “heaven” and “earth” — God’s space and ours, if you like — as the twin halves of God’s good creation. Rather than rescuing people from the latter in order to reach the former, the creator God would finally bring heaven and earth together in a great act of new creation, completing the original creative purpose by healing the entire cosmos of its ancient ills. They believed that God would then raise his people from the dead, to share in — and, indeed, to share his stewardship over — this rescued and renewed creation. And they believed all this because of Jesus.
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That view is from what we can glean mostly in the New Testament.
The book of Revelations gets real weird with it, but the book of revelations is a prophecy, and if we know anything about prophecies, its that they are usually, weird, vague, abstract and open entirely to interpretation.

While many parts of the Old Testament also seem in line with this view, some of it doesn't - as ever the Old Testament is a bit more fire and brimstone than the hippies of the New Testament - but still with very little mention of a gruesome underworld type hell as we often see depicted (again most of the fiery lake type stuff actually comes from revelations in the NT).

4. What is the point of life?
42.

Hope this helps.
 
Hugo Phurst

Hugo Phurst

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huklburryfin said:
1.Is heaven is better than "real life"?
2. Or do you want to go because hell sucks?
3. Or, are both "real life" and heaven equally good?
4. What is the point of life?
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1. I sure hope so.
2. What make you think that Heaven & Hell are two separate "places"
3. I sure hope not.
4. /a. God want's company.
/b. God's army against Satin during Armageddon
/c. Food/Sustenance
 
Dalek Supreme

Dalek Supreme

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Actually if one considers that the NT Gospels are entirely fictional allegories (partly through doctrinal war, and mystery religion elements) that mirrors OT patriarch narratives, and Homeric epics. And that Christ Jesus of Paul is a celestial being perceived out OT scripture (including texts we no longer have, or know about, and filtering of what we do), and influence of Hellenism (among other things in lesser degree).

Then Heaven is rejection of the flesh with it's desires that leads to death. Thoughts of virtue lifts one up through the Heavens to go back to family. While ones being slave to flesh are dragged around by it's desires for death, and eventually your breath wanders the grave while your body feels the fire (skin disease was common among the unclean) of worms.

Jesus tricked Satan in a disguise made from the semen of David which the five senses were hung on five trees, and the flesh placed in a tomb. The Father returned the spiritual flesh to Jesus, and exalted him to Lord.

The concept we have of Heaven from the NT as textus receptus is that one is lobotomized into a perpetual bliss state worshipping God.
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canna_420

canna_420

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My questions for christians would be .

1 What is your standard of evidence? Book written by men claiming almighty power. To the NT written no earlier than 75CE. How could they be taken seriously.
2 Who are the witnesses?
3 If we're crayted in gawds image is it an ape to, with the same glands as us mammals?
 
grapenut2457

grapenut2457

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I love it when pot heads ask other pot heads questions about God etc. They have spent a lifetime of a avoiding spiritual issues that may question their lifestyle and moral lives yet want to simplistically give answers to a complex question. Good job kids.... Let’s play kindergarten ...such fun.
 
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rockethoe

rockethoe

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grapenut2457 said:
I love it when pot heads ask other pot heads questions about God etc. They have spent a lifetime of a avoiding spiritual issues that may question their lifestyle and moral lives yet want to simplistically give answers to a complex question. Good job kids.... Let’s play kindergarten ...such fun.
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You are on the spirituality sub of a cannabis forum, and you are complaining about "pot heads" discussing god? Did you get here by accident? were you trying to click a different link for "Mothers Against Drugs" forum or something?
 
canna_420

canna_420

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grapenut2457 said:
I love it when pot heads ask other pot heads questions about God etc. They have spent a lifetime of a avoiding spiritual issues that may question their lifestyle and moral lives yet want to simplistically give answers to a complex question. Good job kids.... Let’s play kindergarten ...such fun.
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Spiritual issues should be sorted by alcoholic anonymous.

God is a fictional character in a book so should be addressed as such.
 
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