Monsanto cannabis yes or no? The DNA Protection Act of 2013

[Dr. Greenhorn]

like i said lol@u

 

[Doer]

Hey, just more passive aggression to me. I understood your tone and intent quite well I think.

 

[Trousers]

What are the cons of GMO crops?
All I can find is hippies screaming that they are bad.

 

[Ninjabowler]

How is this thread still going?? Im no hippy by any means, but i know that food that i grow or get down the block at the farmers market tastes alot better than the crap the grocery store puts on its shelves. Id figure that would be nuff said. But look at all the countries baning gmos. Is the whole world run by sencless hippies or is there actually an impact on our global food chain being caused by fiddleing with nature? I dont think this thread will uncover the truth anytime soon lol

 

[Dr. Greenhorn]

If you paid attention. You wouldn't be asking

 

[Ninjabowler]

I just read back a couple pages and its the same argument as one hundred pages back......GMOs arent safe for the planets ecosystem vs. show me one study that says that! This is a joke, theres plenty of studies, they all just get swept under the carpet by multibillion dollar corporations....thats right, i said multibillion. Have you ever tried to fight with a billionair? I bet i know where the safe moneys at. OMG, i cant believe im arguing on this thread again, its like a black hole that sucks you in.

 

[joe macclennan]

What are the cons of GMO crops?
All I can find is hippies screaming that they are bad.

well one thing I can say about the gm corn around here is it has been modified to resist root rot. This sounds great if you have a wet spring where seedlings would get drowned out but an unintended side effect is the entire plant itself resists rot.

What is the downside to this you might ask? Well, one major thing is that the stalks,leaves and shit do not biodegrade as quickly as traditional corn so the nutrients and minerals that might otherwise go back into the soil do not. This afterharvest debris ends up blowing around in highwinds plugging up ditches, culverts and ending up in the rivers and creeks.

Since this material isn't contributing back to the field's nutritional diversity and also since corn itself is such a high consumer of nutrients next year even more fertilizer needs to be used. Usually synthetic, sometimes organic like from pig/cattle farms and such.

Either way these fertilizers end up running off into the watershed and causing more problems.

Google fertilizer runoff and algal blooms if you are interested.

So as far as I am concerned gm corn like this only makes the manufacturers rich twofold, first from the initial purchase of seed then from increased fertilizer purchase next year. All the while damaging local ecosystems.

This is not just my opinion. I have a good friend who is a fairly large farmer and most of this info comes from him.

Can these facts be linked to harmful effects in humans? Maybe not directly at this time. The unintended effects are obvious though.

I might add that it often takes years to discover how harmful products are to environment and ecosystems. Look how long ddt was used.

 

[UncleBuck]

well one thing I can say about the gm corn around here is it has been modified to resist root rot. This sounds great if you have a wet spring where seedlings would get drowned out but an unintended side effect is the entire plant itself resists rot.

What is the downside to this you might ask? Well, one major thing is that the stalks,leaves and shit do not biodegrade like traditional corn so the nutrients and minerals that might otherwise go back into the soil do not. This afterharvest debris ends up blowing around in highwinds plugging up ditches, culverts and ending up in the rivers and creeks.

Since this material isn't contributing back to the field's nutritional diversity and also since corn itself is such a high consumer of nutrients next year even more fertilizer needs to be used. Usually synthetic, sometimes organic like from pig/cattle farms and such.

Either way these fertilizers end up running off into the watershed and causing more problems.

Google fertilizer runoff and algal blooms if you are interested.

So as far as I am concerned gm corn like this only makes the manufacturers rich twofold, first from the initial purchase of seed then from increased fertilizer purchase next year. All the while damaging local ecosystems.

This is not just my opinion. I have a good friend who is a fairly large farmer and most of this info comes from him.

Can these facts be linked to harmful effects in humans? Maybe not directly at this time. The unintended effects are obvious though.

I might add that if often takes years to discover how harmful products are to environment and ecosystems. Look how long ddt was used.

you make a well reasoned argument, but nonetheless we should throw all of our eggs into this unknown basket.

after all, it's just a complete upheaval of our food supply system as we know it, what's the worst that could happen?

 

[Doer]

If you paid attention. You wouldn't be asking

If you would type more ideas you would make more sense.

 

[ginjawarrior]

well one thing I can say about the gm corn around here is it has been modified to resist root rot. This sounds great if you have a wet spring where seedlings would get drowned out but an unintended side effect is the entire plant itself resists rot.

What is the downside to this you might ask? Well, one major thing is that the stalks,leaves and shit do not biodegrade like traditional corn so the nutrients and minerals that might otherwise go back into the soil do not. This afterharvest debris ends up blowing around in highwinds plugging up ditches, culverts and ending up in the rivers and creeks.

Since this material isn't contributing back to the field's nutritional diversity and also since corn itself is such a high consumer of nutrients next year even more fertilizer needs to be used. Usually synthetic, sometimes organic like from pig/cattle farms and such.

Either way these fertilizers end up running off into the watershed and causing more problems.

Google fertilizer runoff and algal blooms if you are interested.

So as far as I am concerned gm corn like this only makes the manufacturers rich twofold, first from the initial purchase of seed then from increased fertilizer purchase next year. All the while damaging local ecosystems.

This is not just my opinion. I have a good friend who is a fairly large farmer and most of this info comes from him.

Can these facts be linked to harmful effects in humans? Maybe not directly at this time. The unintended effects are obvious though.

I might add that if often takes years to discover how harmful products are to environment and ecosystems. Look how long ddt was used.

Non rot gmo corn? really?

 

[UncleBuck]

If you would type more ideas you would make more sense.

better than some members here, who seem to make less sense as they type more.

 

[joe macclennan]

you make a well reasoned argument, but nonetheless we should throw all of our eggs into this unknown basket.

after all, it's just a complete upheaval of our food supply system as we know it, what's the worst that could happen?

The problem is we do not have a choice. Corn for instance is such a high input crop to grow if the farmers did not plant gm corn they would loose money. Therefore they have no choice.

Furthermore, it is becoming increasingly difficult to purchase non gm corn in the first place and if you have a field of non gm corn and it gets pollinated by say your neighbors gm corn the seed companies can and have came in and sued farmers successfully for patent infringement. Even though the defendants have done no wrong.

This whole scenario is really frightening. When you have a handful of companies controlling virtually the entire worlds food supply we as average citizens are in trouble.

I believe this documentary covers this subject very well. It has been awhile since I watched it though so it may have been another.

 

[joe macclennan]

Non rot gmo corn? really?

really............

 

[Doer]

What are the cons of GMO crops?
All I can find is hippies screaming that they are bad.

We just don't know. It sounds bad. So blame the the 4th Amendment.

Good thing, said hippies can no longer get an injunction to stop an entire US planting season so our foreign aid commitments can't be met.

All that Aid would have to go to beef production since it can't be diverted from E-(nightmare) fuel production, by law.

It is a tangled web we weave messing with the Constitution in the heart and minds of youth.

For example, I am now convinced MacCarthy was very corrected, indeed, to raise the alarm of the Commie threat. It lives here, now. It lives in the hippies and Hollywood of certain types.

It is breathing fire, in the colleges of America spewed by those I thought were so cool at the time.

Live and learn, or not.

 

[joe macclennan]

We just don't know. It sounds bad. So blame the the 4th Amendment.

Good thing, said hippies can no longer get an injunction to stop an entire US planting season so our foreign aid commitments can't be met.

All that Aid would have to go to beef production since it can't be diverted from E-(nightmare) fuel production, by law.

It is a tangled web we weave messing with the Constitution in the heart and minds of youth.

For example, I am now convinced MacCarthy was very corrected, indeed, to raise the alarm of the Commie threat. It lives here, now. It lives in the hippies and Hollywood of certain types.

It is breathing fire, in the colleges of America spewed by those I thought were so cool at the time.

Live and learn, or not.

I lost my decoder ring.

WHAT?

 

[UncleBuck]

better than some members here, who seem to make less sense as they type more.

We just don't know. It sounds bad. So blame the the 4th Amendment.

Good thing, said hippies can no longer get an injunction to stop an entire US planting season so our foreign aid commitments can't be met.

All that Aid would have to go to beef production since it can't be diverted from E-(nightmare) fuel production, by law.

It is a tangled web we weave messing with the Constitution in the heart and minds of youth.

For example, I am now convinced MacCarthy was very corrected, indeed, to raise the alarm of the Commie threat. It lives here, now. It lives in the hippies and Hollywood of certain types.

It is breathing fire, in the colleges of America spewed by those I thought were so cool at the time.

Live and learn, or not.

i rest my case.

 

[Doer]

You guys are not stoned enough or too stoned.

- they can't just break into the place and search it...is it bad. what are the secrets they hide?

- thread point, hippies cannot stop a planting season. Para 700 somethingsomgthing of this said, farm bill

- hippies would shoot foot, if they did. Don't see consequences. Feed cows, not world staving masses..corn is fuel by law

- many hearts and mind co-opted hippie shit, it is from what MacCarthy warned of

- hippy shit alive and well, says old hippy, sadly

- old hippy woke up

- no one has to wake up...9th Amendment

Next, big color letters, bucky? Read with less constipation?> IAC, it is dark mind influence. It is not for your conscious mind. Please include me in your ignore list if you don't want to be treated to this.

 

[Dr. Greenhorn]

And with each post, you're credibility is more and more shot....


lol@hippys

 

[Doer]

And of course, it has only taken a very few of your posts for me to find that all your ideas of credibility and right fight point to simple ineptitude of thought. You think I care. How dumb of you.

 

[joe macclennan]

You think I care. How dumb of you.

If you don't care than why are you here?

I fail to see what you have contributed here.