newbies increase your yields with these tips

[applepoop1984]

I am familiar with cannabis being dioecious. Read my signature. It is great you want to compare outdoor trees to indoor annuals, but you are still missing the point.

Raising humidity is tricky. It is not as important as you think. If it were, how am I pulling over a pound, variety dependent of course, in a 3x3 tent with a 600 watt HPS?

If I spent a few hundred dollars on a nice humidifier and got my rh up from 20% to 45%, how much more yield could I expect?

Again, there are much more important things for a noob to worry about.



Is this what you have heard?
Buds do not store nutrients, period.
How come I do not need to flush tomatoes, apples, carrots and every other plant I grow outside?
Why don't my tomatoes smell like carrots and my carrots smell like fertilizer?


Flushing is for people that use too many nutes. It is stressful to the plant and will decrease yield.



Buds do not store fertilizer. Cool story though.




Stop it. You should not be dispensing advice if you believe this stuff.




Stop spreading bullshit.

If you run gallons of water through your soil, then you are an idiot. Why would you want to wash away nutrients the plant needs to survive? Why would you wash away beneficial microbes?

Are you saying that if I make an organic soil mix that needs no nutes at all that I should flush at the end of the flowering?
That is just insane.

If you want to stress your plants and lower your yield, flush on big fella.

hundreds of dollars on a humidifier??? try 10-20$ lol

there are very few dieoecious plants. this is why they are a good comparison

why do organic vegetables taste different from inorganic ones??? could it be fertilizer???? buds do in fact store ferts in them. again stop trolling or show me some proof

beneficial microbes are needed to break down nutes . when you flush you are forcing the plant to use up its energy stores making curing easier. not much bud swelling happens during the last 2 weeks of flower and the storing of energy is not necessary since the plant will be cut down anyways. it seems like you stress your plants through other means. you said u flushed. i am 100% positive you did not aerate the water with an airpump or h202. with rh, imsure u had a 6 volt pc fan blowing on your plants while your rh was above 50%. this is not to say flushing or post 50% rh are bad, it just means you suck royally

 

[chuck estevez]

hundreds of dollars on a humidifier??? try 10-20$ lol

there are very few dieoecious plants. this is why they are a good comparison

why do organic vegetables taste different from inorganic ones??? could it be fertilizer???? buds do in fact store ferts in them. again stop trolling or show me some proof

beneficial microbes are needed to break down nutes . when you flush you are forcing the plant to use up its energy stores making curing easier. not much bud swelling happens during the last 2 weeks of flower and the storing of energy is not necessary since the plant will be cut down anyways. it seems like you stress your plants through other means. you said u flushed. i am 100% positive you did not aerate the water with an airpump or h202. with rh, imsure u had a 6 volt pc fan blowing on your plants while your rh was above 50%. this is not to say flushing or post 50% rh are bad, it just means you suck royally

I'd suggest you watch this
[video=youtube;8Zqe4ZV9LDs]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Zqe4ZV9LDs[/video]

 

[applepoop1984]

I'd suggest you watch this

taste an organic tomato compared to a supermarket mass produced tomato and there is no comparison.

btw i can use video experiments without professional taste testers, a palate cleansing rinse, and a control group as well.

i suggest you watch this:

[video=youtube;cuhAQ9DC3CI]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cuhAQ9DC3CI[/video]

 

[chuck estevez]

I'd suggest you watch this

taste an organic tomato compared to a supermarket mass produced tomato and there is no comparison.

btw i can use video experiments without professional taste testers, a palate cleansing rinse, and a control group as well.

i suggest you watch this:

[video=youtube;cuhAQ9DC3CI]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cuhAQ9DC3CI[/video]

Well, Mr smarty pants, Answer this. If organics break down nutrients into a usable form for plants to uptake and chemical nutes use chelating agents to break down nutes into a usable form for the plants to uptake and both of those usable forms are the same. HOW can there be a difference in taste?

 

[applepoop1984]

Well, Mr smarty pants, Answer this. If organics break down nutrients into a usable form for plants to uptake and chemical nutes use chelating agents to break down nutes into a usable form for the plants to uptake and both of those usable forms are salts. HOW can there be a difference in taste?

microbes break down nutes into a readily available form. inorganics are already available to the plants. salts are not uptaken by plants roots it is not possible. read up on osmosis and plants that should clarify your error for you. organic fertilizers contain no harmful salts like inorganics do. im beginning to question everything youv been questioning me about.

 

[chuck estevez]

microbes break down nutes into a readily available form. inorganics are already available to the plants. salts are not uptaken by plants roots it is not possible. read up on osmosis and plants that should clarify your error for you. organic fertilizers contain no harmful salts like inorganics do. im beginning to question everything youv been questioning me about.

TSK,TSK,TSK, I was hoping for something better than this mess. Your name is appropriate. As trousers stated, You should NOT be giving anyone tips. organic or not, it's all broken down to the same form for the plant to uptake.
http://www.ext.colostate.edu/mg/Gardennotes/231.html


From the nutritional perspective, a plant cannot tell if applied nutrients come from a manufactured fertilizer or a natural source. Plants use nutrients in ionic forms. Soil microorganisms must break down organic soil amendments, organic fertilizers and many manufactured fertilizers before the nutrients become usable by plants.

From a nutritional perspective, the primary difference between manufactured and organic soil amendments/organic fertilizers is the speed at which nutrients become available for plant use. For manufactured fertilizer, their release is typically, but not always, a few days to weeks. Some are specially formulated as “controlled release”, “slow release” or “time release” products that release over a period of months. With natural-organic fertilizer, nutrients typically become available over a period of months or years. However, there are exceptions to this general rule. The high salt content of some manufactured fertilizers and some organic soil amendments could slow the activity of beneficial soil microorganisms.
Benefits of organic fertilizers and soil amendments include improvements in soil tilth (suitability of the soil to support plant growth). This should not be confused with “fertilization”, a distinctly different soil management objective. Organic soil amendments are typically low in nutrient content.
Remember that fertility is only part of the soil’s role in supporting plant growth. The organic content of the soil also directly affects plant growth due to its influence on soil tilth and the activity of beneficial soil microorganisms. Relying solely on manufactured fertilizers is not recommended as this does not support good soil tilth.

 

[simisimis]

first of all you havent posted any studies stating when thc % peaks. i in fact have posted you a study describing the effect of temp light and humidity on the stomata of dieoecious plants(marijuana) . barometric pressure is irrelevant unless youre in an airplane growing pot.

thank you very much for proving with your studies me that humidity with 50% RH is better than 30% its just that I wasn't arguing, I just said that it's not that important.

i just flushed my 3 gallon pot with 5 gallons of water i aerated it with an airstone and added 5 caps of h2o2 and its been 3 days no problems whatsoever. i did however let all the water drain from the pot and the drip tray.

ofc you flushed. No biggie, everybody flushes after they shit.

suprisingly my buds fattened up the day after i did this.

I just blew out all the air from my lungs and became a

...balloonman !!

so youre saying you dont believe in buds having a carrot taste, and then in the same paragraph you say youv experienced it?

read more carefully who posts what. I said I had carrot taste which was more wet grass smell, but i'm not like you, I do not blame that on carrots. I do some reading and understand that this is chlorophyll not carrots. ofc, after your friend flushed the plants 2 weeks before harvest, starved leaves to death, then did some improper curing and the taste was way better than not flushing / feeding / curing improperly. If you do curing right, you will NOT have a bad taste.

this isnt a how to grow guide this is a how to improve guide. little things you can do to get the most

oh ok sorry then.

the thread isnt that technical

maybe it isn't or maybe it is



sorry for my humor and playful approach, I had some happy smokes and I can't stop loving everyone


laters..

 

[applepoop1984]

There are more important things to worry about that RH. Why can't you understand that?



You are comparing trees to annuals. You still do not seem to understand that RH is not that important, especially to noobs.
It is weird.

why do organic vegetables taste different from inorganic ones??? could it be fertilizer???? buds do in fact store ferts in them. again stop trolling or show me some proof[/qiote]

Can you offer some proof that buds store fertilizer? Do buds store food when growing organically?
It seems like you are trolling. You keep ranting about RH and trees. You seem to think that flushing organic soil is a good idea. What is wrong with you?

Do tobacco growers flush?
Do you believe that organic fruits taste better than non-organic fruits?



When you flush, you are washing away the microbes you say are necessary. That does not make any sense.
When you flush and you see yellow leaves, it is the plant lacking food, not mimicking senescence. You are starving the plant to maturity in a way.



Buds need food to swell. why are you washing it away?
You are saying the buds store energy now? Got a link?




I am 100% positive you have no idea what you are talking about and you are giving terrible advice.
I used R/O water and I always added a touch of H2O2. Shut it.

I found that flushing stressed my plants and lowered the yield with out making the taste or smell better. You and many other people, confuse unflushed with poorly cured. It is a very common, noob mistake. Again, flushing is for people that have over fed their plants. It is crazy to flush an organic grow.



Child please. There is no reason for your immature taunts. Your guide for noobs is terrible and should be deleted. If you want to stress you plants and lower your yield, go for it.
Let your trichomes get 99% amber and then dry it in the microwave. I don't really care how you fuck up your weed, but it is really rude to frame your terrible opinions as factual advice to new growers.

I doubt raising my humidity to 50% will affect my yield enough for it to be worth while.

tobacco growers do in fact flush:

my rain gauge reports that I've only had 2.6" this year total and 1" of that was a storm that came through about a month ago.

I was watering in the Mornings, but the wind kicks up rather quickly, temps climb up to the 90's and RH goes from 85% at night to <40% by 9am. The soil seemed persistently dry with that schedule.

I've started watering for 90 minutes in the early evening and the leaves are good and dry before the sun goes down. In the mornings, the soil still looks moist and the baccy looks happy. by mid afternoon the top of the soil is bone dry again.

To avoid the curing problems I had last year, once they start to bud I'm going to give them once last really long and heavy soaking (nutrient flush) then stop watering altogether until harvest.


if you believe buds and and other fruit dont store nutrients then explain how poorly fertilized soil will produce potatoes or other crops with less nutritional value? the nutrition of crops is directly related to the fertilizer used. why do bananas contain so much potassium? the banana tree uses it the nutrients are stored in the fruit. case closed i cant believe you and mr sheen are frothing at the mouth over flushing and rh. utter malarkey.

 

[applepoop1984]

thank you very much for proving with your studies me that humidity with 50% RH is better than 30% its just that I wasn't arguing, I just said that it's not that important.



ofc you flushed. No biggie, everybody flushes after they shit.


I just blew out all the air from my lungs and became a
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...balloonman !!


read more carefully who posts what. I said I had carrot taste which was more wet grass smell, but i'm not like you, I do not blame that on carrots. I do some reading and understand that this is chlorophyll not carrots. ofc, after your friend flushed the plants 2 weeks before harvest, starved leaves to death, then did some improper curing and the taste was way better than not flushing / feeding / curing improperly. If you do curing right, you will NOT have a bad taste.


oh ok sorry then.


maybe it isn't or maybe it is
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sorry for my humor and playful approach, I had some happy smokes and I can't stop loving everyone
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laters..

il say one thing you are alot more civil than the bearded child and his friend martin estevez

 

[applepoop1984]

TSK,TSK,TSK, I was hoping for something better than this mess. Your name is appropriate. As trousers stated, You should NOT be giving anyone tips. organic or not, it's all broken down to the same form for the plant to uptake.
http://www.ext.colostate.edu/mg/Gardennotes/231.html


From the nutritional perspective, a plant cannot tell if applied nutrients come from a manufactured fertilizer or a natural source. Plants use nutrients in ionic forms. Soil microorganisms must break down organic soil amendments, organic fertilizers and many manufactured fertilizers before the nutrients become usable by plants.

From a nutritional perspective, the primary difference between manufactured and organic soil amendments/organic fertilizers is the speed at which nutrients become available for plant use. For manufactured fertilizer, their release is typically, but not always, a few days to weeks. Some are specially formulated as &#8220;controlled release&#8221;, &#8220;slow release&#8221; or &#8220;time release&#8221; products that release over a period of months. With natural-organic fertilizer, nutrients typically become available over a period of months or years. However, there are exceptions to this general rule. The high salt content of some manufactured fertilizers and some organic soil amendments could slow the activity of beneficial soil microorganisms.
Benefits of organic fertilizers and soil amendments include improvements in soil tilth (suitability of the soil to support plant growth). This should not be confused with &#8220;fertilization&#8221;, a distinctly different soil management objective. Organic soil amendments are typically low in nutrient content.
Remember that fertility is only part of the soil&#8217;s role in supporting plant growth. The organic content of the soil also directly affects plant growth due to its influence on soil tilth and the activity of beneficial soil microorganisms. Relying solely on manufactured fertilizers is not recommended as this does not support good soil tilth.

did that nice little write up teach you that salts are not up taken by plants? and what organic fertilizers contain mineral salts ? that article is hogwash it states only some inorganic ferts contain mineral salts. oh btw heres a list of all mineral salts and the nutrients they supply... can you find bat guano in there? do you know why you cant? because ammonium oxylate is NOT A MINERAL SALT!!!!

ftp://ftp.fao.org/codex/Circular_letters/CXcl2004/cl04_21e.pdf


now find worm castings... any mineral salts in there? what about molasses? rhubarb?

nice try mr sheen but you have your dicky doo wrapped up like a snickers and your squatting on an inverted barstool

 

[LetsGetCritical]

I have the feeling this is going to become an epic thread. Oh, unless a mod steps in and shuts it down.

 

[applepoop1984]

I have the feeling this is going to become an epic thread. Oh, unless a mod steps in and shuts it down.

im not going to respond to anymore trolls however feel free to post any studies preferably from .edu and .gov websites, that support or detract from my list of tips

 

[sunni]

ever hear the expression dont bite the hand that feeds you applepoop?

 

[spliffbuddy]

Could someone please give a summary on which tips are good and correct and which are not, I've got a bit confused?

 

[dlftmyers]

Could someone please give a summary on which tips are good and correct and which are not, I've got a bit confused?

Good Luck I am right there with ya

 

[chuck estevez]

Could someone please give a summary on which tips are good and correct and which are not, I've got a bit confused?

see post #6

 

[applepoop1984]

ever hear the expression dont bite the hand that feeds you applepoop?

im working on verifying all my tips. if i find studies that disprove anythign i will amend it. i already did once with the completely dry soil before watering. i was on marijuana passion, i still am, and they swore on the dry wet cycle. i looked up a study after a poster told me it killed soil microbes and i retracted to state that you shoudl water when the top 3 inches of soil are dry. any thing you would like to add to this to support or detract from my tips would be appreciated as long as you site a credible source ie edu or .gov websites.
im also working on weeding out any co2 enrichment advice other than what you would get from good circulation

 

[applepoop1984]

just posted some good sources for the 1st and the 4th tips. surprisingly contrary to what a previous poster said on here, mel frank does in fact flush and he also supports it. he recommends using a few gallons of water. im currently working on the relative humidity source

 

[sunni]

im working on verifying all my tips. if i find studies that disprove anythign i will amend it. i already did once with the completely dry soil before watering. i was on marijuana passion, i still am, and they swore on the dry wet cycle. i looked up a study after a poster told me it killed soil microbes and i retracted to state that you shoudl water when the top 3 inches of soil are dry. any thing you would like to add to this to support or detract from my tips would be appreciated as long as you site a credible source ie edu or .gov websites.
im also working on weeding out any co2 enrichment advice other than what you would get from good circulation

no i was talking about the time you were rude to me, on countless amounts of times in posts, never apologized and now you want me to clean up your thread of people being mean to YOU

 

[brotherjericho]

Evidence?



Lime will increase pH, but what if your water is hard, and the pH is 8? Lime won't do shit to when cannabis in soil wants 6.5- 7.0 pH.



http://joemacho.hubpages.com/hub/Hydrogen-Peroxide-for-Plants

"My one word of caution is to avoid using it in the soil too often. As hydrogen peroxide will easily rid your soil of harmful pests, it can also take it's toll on beneficial soil organisms. So, use wisely and only treat when an infection or rot has been confirmed."

Now that the OP is in defense mode, any answer to this last post of mine?