newbies increase your yields with these tips

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spliffbuddy

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So to clarify for us newbies, a quick summary, you experienced growers all agree these are the top tips? Which I think is the point of this thread! :roll: 1.keep temps in the 70-80 range, and try to keep them from deviating more than 10 degrees in range.keeping night temperatures and day temperatures the same will greatly increase thc vs a wide variation. 75 day and night is optimal. source: mel franks cannabis grow guide by mel frank & ED ROSENTHAL, High Times' 2006 Seed Guide.

2. I grow with constant 36% RH from seed. Had no problems whatsoever. tried raising it, did not notice any difference. So you all agree humidity does not make that much difference, just don't have it too high in flowering?

3. improved ventilation will help increase co2 getting to the plants.get a fan with a fan speed controller and you can fine tune the temps as well.keep the exhaust fans mounted high as possible with the intake mounted low as possible and on the side opposite the exhaust. this way there is an updraft blowing co2 rich air through the leaves while making it harder for any pests to lay eggs on the undersides of the leaves. i didnt see the need to source

4. flushing is BAD. Cannot emphasize it enough. It can be used only as a last resort, i.e. serious overfeeding. It highly stresses the plant that results in reduced yield. source: MEL FRANK cannabis grow guide.

5. during the plants life it needs full spectrum of light. warm white 2700K-3000K and 6000K-6500K are the most beneficial colors. best use 3:1 ratio with 3 being 6500K in veg and 3 being 2700K in flower. You could go with 3K from start to finish with some additional 6500K and would not notice a big difference in yield.

6. it has been noted that talking to your plants is good, this is because of the co2 you breathe out not exactly the sound. although there have been studies of music in the grow room improving yield vs control group. breathing slash talking to your plants whenever you can will yield higher co2 for about a couple seconds. if i breathe on my co2 meter it goes up 600 ppm.
source:http://www.ertinc.com/c02.php, my co2 meter

7. for the first 2-3 waterings use molasses to boost the microbe population. this will help break down nutrients for your plants to use. after the 3rd watering with molasses dont do it again, normally microbes feed on the sugar from the roots and when you introduce outside sugar they eat that instead. youre just trying to boost their population not help them graze lol. keeping microbe feeding on your roots will help the plant uptake nutes even faster.source:
https://portal.utpa.edu/portal/page/...016%202011.pdf

8. 2 days of absolute darkness is just a hype. it does not make plant flower faster, it causes additional stress to the plant.

9.phing your water isnt necessary with organics put 1-2 tbsp of dolomite lime or similar buffer in your soil as a top dressing would greatly benefit your plants. if you choose to ph your water however the acceptable range for soil is 5.9-6.5. lemon juice or distilled vinegar is acceptable for lowering, as well as baking soda for raising the ph. these are used in soil only and will complicate hydroponics systems. Source marijuana Grower's Handbook: Your Complete Guide for Medical and Personal marijuana Cultivation


10. hydrogen peroxide kills bacteria in soil. if should be used when plant is overwatered so provide extra oxygen for the roots because peroxide kills bacteria, make new molecules releasing oxygen. When flushing you plant this could help for it to survive cause it would produce oxygen which flushing/overwatering pushed out of soil, but when watering properly this should not be used. unless you experience some mold or fungi.

11. when watering, water completely. you cannot over water at one time this is why flushing works(it is possible to water too much but only if you let it pool in the tray). you want at least 10% runoff in your trays after words but get rid of the run off , the tray should have little to no water in it to prevent root rot. also do not water until the top 3 inches of soil is dry. you basically want to get it completely wet leaving no dry pockets(this removes stale air from the soil) and let it dry 3 inches deep from the top. if the soil starts shrinking away from the sides of the planter its time to water.source : could not find a single study,marijuana Grower's Handbook: Your Complete Guide for Medical and Personal marijuana Cultivation


12. feeding of 3-1-2 NPK with Ca-Mg supplement for healthy growth and S containing nutes from 4th week of flowering to increase thc production. No high P food in indoor grows as it locks out some micro elements and deficiency of P is very rare in indoor grows.

13. Do not stop feeding last two weeks as it does not remove anything from buds and it does not make them any better, proper drying and curing does. The only thing it does it extremely stresses the plant and result in yield. Drying the buds till their stems are snapping and then curring them in constant 62% RH releases chlorophyll and this is where the taste and potency are maximized not flushing or feeding.

14. never interrupt the dark cycle with light of any kind except green. source:http://www.crec.ifas.ufl.edu/academi...pann/PDF/5.pdf

15. cut a 2 liter in half invert the top into the bottom to make a funnel and fill with vinegar. this will be a trap for almost all pests and they will be more interested in the vinegar than your plants. keep it 10 ft from the grow box. if you are using ph down in the form of vinegar this trap is of the utmost importance. 2 or 3 are cheap and easy to make and will keep your plants away from pests.source: make this put it outside and prove it too yourself.

16. use a negative ion generator. negative ions have been shown to improve plant growth and half another benefit of reducing odors. this is not a co2 generator! you can buy them at walmart. make sure it generates negative ions it shoudl say somethign like 10,000 cubic centimeters per second or something like that. source:
https://sbs.arizona.edu/project/cons...l.php?abs=1618

17. go to radio shack and get the strongest magnifying glass. use this to look at your trichs before harvest. you want mostly cloudy trichs when there are over 10% amber trichs its harvest time

18. use a small amount of clay in your soil. clay has a negative charge and improves nutrient absorbtion. too much though can cause clumpy undesireable soil with much less air. the key is to mix it thoroughly with your regular soil. no more than 1 cup per gallon.
source: http://classes.css.wsu.edu/soils201/...20Minerals.pdf

19. add supercoarse perlite(preferred) or fine perlite(still good) too your soil. even soils containing perlite can still benefit from extra perlite added. a study on different soil types concluded that 100% perlite in a hempy bucket is the preferred way to grow. it yielded 1.5 grams more on average than the other soils tested in a series of control groups etc. since this is in the beginner section i would not recommend a hempy setup. or even 100% perlite. the reason being it drains so well and is so airy that the plants will dry out quicker and even though alot of new growers tend to over water, i still feel there should be some dirt in your soil mix. 50% perlite 50% dirt is a good middle ground. also a layer of newspaper on the bottom of your planter with 1-2 inches of perlite will help prevent root rot.

19b. add vermiculite or moisture control crystals to your soil. these will help with over watering and slowly deliver water to your plants. moisture control crystals are not organic they are poly acrylates. use 2 tbsps of crystals per gallon of soil and mix thoroughly.30% vermiculite is a good ratio to have.

20. resist the urge to touch fondle the buds during flower. trichomes can break off and you will reduce the quality.

21. heat the roots.. use an aquarium thermometer to heat the water to 72 degrees farenheit. adding a seedling mat or even an aquarium heater to the soil near the edge of the planter will improve growth as well. keeping the plants roots a stable 72 degrees without fluctuation will help more than you can imagine.source:
http://edis.ifas.ufl.edu/hs308

22. Foliage feeding not always helps a plant. On flowering stages it causes buds to mold/rot. In veg under stronger lighting like hps drops can form magnifying lenses and burn the leaves. I do not spray plants anymore as it only worsen the things for me.

23. reflecting the light from the bottom is not worth the effort IMO. bottom of the leaves contain 1/3rd of chlorophyll and therefore photosynthesize less, also light distance increases and with light source as cfl because of the poor penetration you would hardly benefit at all. cfls should be 1-3" from plant to benefit best.

24. buy a zero water pitcher from walmart. it is around 30$ and guarantees you will have a ppm of less than 10 in your water. it will also lower the ph slightly even as low as 5.4 after being exposed to air for too long. water with this within 2-3 hours to avoid an excessively low ph

25. by a ph meter from your local hydro shop and 7.0 calibrating solution. online you can get these for 10-15$
 

Jeffdogg

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One of the more main things i dont see to maximize your yield is using LST (low stress training)

What is LST?

LST is a technique that maximizes yield, and keeps plants low profile

Low stress training does not require any mutilation or damage to the plant which, for some, is the sole reason to use it above high stress training methods. Low stress training is done by tricking the plant into thinking the apical tips are no longer able to be the apical tips. In nature, if a branch gets blocked by another branch, or a large leaf from another tree, the plant will do it's best to navigate the growing tip so that it can continue growing upwards.

If, however, the plant cannot easily find a way to make that growing tip go back towards the light, the level of auxins will shift, and the lower sites will be called upon to try and stretch up to become the next apical tip.

This process can be repeated over, and over again in our controlled, indoor environments: apical tip grows up, apical tip trained down, other tips grow up, other tips tied down, more tips up, and so on.

http://www.420magazine.com/forums/vegetative-cycle/99440-lst-how-do.html

http://www.marijuanagrowing.eu/dubman-guide-low-stress-training-lst-t2335.html

http://www.growweedeasy.com/lst-low-stress-training

http://howtogrowmarijuana.com/low-stress-training-lst
 

applepoop1984

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Uh, really? How are you going to get those organic nutrients out of the soil? They don't flush out that easily (if at all) particularly if you used powdered/granulated organic nutes like I use.

take a ppm tester and measure the content of the water before flushing and the run off from after. batguano washes out just fine for me as does alask fish, seaweed and molasses. when i get organic fertilizers on my hands it washes off with water.are you joking?
 

applepoop1984

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So smart guy, if I did get a build up in 4 months(yeah right) and I flushed(yeah right) where does this metal go? and smoking wouldn't burn heavy metals, i would have a pile of metal after taking a rip according to your theories,lol
that isnt true:http://www.who.int/ifcs/documents/forums/forum5/nmr_cadmium.pdf

"Cadmium is a heavy metal with a high toxicity. Cadmium is toxic at very low exposure levels and has acute and chronic effects on health and environment.
Cadmium is not degradable in nature and will thus, once released to the environment, stay in circulation. New releases add to the already existing deposits
of cadmium in the environment. Cadmium and cadmium compounds are, compared to other heavy metals, relatively water soluble. They are therefore also
more mobile in e.g. soil, generally more bioavailable and tend to bioaccumulate. "

also:http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1586467
"Chronic cadmium exposure produces a wide variety of acute and chronic effects in humans. Cadmium accumulates in the human body and especially in
the kidneys. According to the current knowledge kidney damage (renal tubular
damage) is probably the critical health effect. Other effects of cadmium exposure are disturbances of calcium metabolism, hypercalciuria and formation of
stones in the kidney. High exposure can lead to lung cancer and prostate cancer."

and further:
"The present study was conducted to determine the cadmium level in tobacco planted in five main tobacco-producing areas, a cadmium polluted area, and in cigarettes produced domestically (54 brands). The results indicate that average cadmium content in tobacco was 1.48 (0.10-4.95 mg/kg), which was similar to that of Indian tobacco (1.24 mg/kg), but the cadmium of tobacco produced in the cadmium polluted area was quite high (8.60 mg/kg). The average cigarette cadmium was 1.05 micrograms/g (with filter tip) and 1.61 micrograms/g (regular cigarette). Therefore special attention should be paid to the soil used in planting tobacco."

and further still:
http://quitsmoking.about.com/od/chemicalsinsmoke/p/cadmium.htm

"What Cadmium Is and Where it Comes From:

Cadmium is a toxic heavy metal that occurs in nature. Cadmium is also produced as a by-product of the process of smelting (heating and melting ores to extract metals). Cadmium is present in low levels in food, and in high levels in cigarette smoke."

oh and theres more: "Although there is generally less cadmium in tobacco than in food, the lungs absorb cadmium more efficiently than the stomach"
Jarup, L. (1992. "Health effects of cadmium exposure—a review of the literature and a risk estimate". Scandinavian Journal of Work, Environment and Health 24: 11–51.



wait.. not done yet!:http://www.cpcb.nic.in/upload/Newsletters/Newsletters_61_CADMIUM-An EnvironmentToxicant-March-2007.pdf
"Environmental tobacco smoke generally during smoking is among the major pollutants
in the indoor environment. The presence of toxic metals as chronic inhalation of metals
at high concentration can cause respiratory diseases and lung cancer. These metals may
include trace concentration of antimony, arsenic, cadmium, chromium, cobalt, lead,
manganese, mercury, nickel, selenium etc.
The metal content in the tobacco comes from the soil, which is being concentrated by
tobacco plants."

a pile of metal? its probably makign its way through your bloodstream as we speak
 

applepoop1984

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how can i learn with all of you guys arguing and bickering! ahhh im losing my mind with all the negativity. hehehe :mrgreen:
apparently the boys wonder(plural) have been doing this to everyones threads... everywhere on this forum. my best advice to you would to look up every source iv posted for everytip and do your own research as well. and even better advice would be not to pay attention to trousers, impman, chuck estevez,or brotherjeraldine.
 

applepoop1984

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One of the more main things i dont see to maximize your yield is using LST (low stress training)

What is LST?

LST is a technique that maximizes yield, and keeps plants low profile

Low stress training does not require any mutilation or damage to the plant which, for some, is the sole reason to use it above high stress training methods. Low stress training is done by tricking the plant into thinking the apical tips are no longer able to be the apical tips. In nature, if a branch gets blocked by another branch, or a large leaf from another tree, the plant will do it's best to navigate the growing tip so that it can continue growing upwards.

If, however, the plant cannot easily find a way to make that growing tip go back towards the light, the level of auxins will shift, and the lower sites will be called upon to try and stretch up to become the next apical tip.

This process can be repeated over, and over again in our controlled, indoor environments: apical tip grows up, apical tip trained down, other tips grow up, other tips tied down, more tips up, and so on.

http://www.420magazine.com/forums/vegetative-cycle/99440-lst-how-do.html

http://www.marijuanagrowing.eu/dubman-guide-low-stress-training-lst-t2335.html

http://www.growweedeasy.com/lst-low-stress-training

http://howtogrowmarijuana.com/low-stress-training-lst
great post, i am currently lsting now and i cant believe i missed that in my list.
 

Bilbo Baggins

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Many thanks to ALL contributors to this debate so far, for the person trying to find out the truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth its a bit disconcerting. there are so many opinions, still it has been conducted in a civil manner and makes good reading. With regards to the series of videos etc posted a few posts back concerning various members of the public seemingly unable to distinguish between organic and non organic tomatos etc, its not really a valid comparison to make in the context that the produce tested in those videos is not SMOKED. Whilst reading through various articles about the benefits of various bloom boosters like '' Beastie Buds '' and the like, it was commonly reported that weed grown with said chemical oriented additives actually '' sparked '' and '' crackled '' during smoking. This concerned me greatly and I determined to go organic as much as possible for the basic reason that it seems healthier than this scenario. Plus the commonly held view is that it is almost impossible to over fertilise using organic nutrients is surely a positive aspect. Good reading guys.
 

chuck estevez

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that isnt true:http://www.who.int/ifcs/documents/forums/forum5/nmr_cadmium.pdf

"Cadmium is a heavy metal with a high toxicity. Cadmium is toxic at very low exposure levels and has acute and chronic effects on health and environment.
Cadmium is not degradable in nature and will thus, once released to the environment, stay in circulation. New releases add to the already existing deposits
of cadmium in the environment. Cadmium and cadmium compounds are, compared to other heavy metals, relatively water soluble. They are therefore also
more mobile in e.g. soil, generally more bioavailable and tend to bioaccumulate. "

also:http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1586467
"Chronic cadmium exposure produces a wide variety of acute and chronic effects in humans. Cadmium accumulates in the human body and especially in
the kidneys. According to the current knowledge kidney damage (renal tubular
damage) is probably the critical health effect. Other effects of cadmium exposure are disturbances of calcium metabolism, hypercalciuria and formation of
stones in the kidney. High exposure can lead to lung cancer and prostate cancer."

and further:
"The present study was conducted to determine the cadmium level in tobacco planted in five main tobacco-producing areas, a cadmium polluted area, and in cigarettes produced domestically (54 brands). The results indicate that average cadmium content in tobacco was 1.48 (0.10-4.95 mg/kg), which was similar to that of Indian tobacco (1.24 mg/kg), but the cadmium of tobacco produced in the cadmium polluted area was quite high (8.60 mg/kg). The average cigarette cadmium was 1.05 micrograms/g (with filter tip) and 1.61 micrograms/g (regular cigarette). Therefore special attention should be paid to the soil used in planting tobacco."

and further still:
http://quitsmoking.about.com/od/chemicalsinsmoke/p/cadmium.htm

"What Cadmium Is and Where it Comes From:

Cadmium is a toxic heavy metal that occurs in nature. Cadmium is also produced as a by-product of the process of smelting (heating and melting ores to extract metals). Cadmium is present in low levels in food, and in high levels in cigarette smoke."

oh and theres more: "Although there is generally less cadmium in tobacco than in food, the lungs absorb cadmium more efficiently than the stomach"
Jarup, L. (1992. "Health effects of cadmium exposure—a review of the literature and a risk estimate". Scandinavian Journal of Work, Environment and Health 24: 11–51.



wait.. not done yet!:http://www.cpcb.nic.in/upload/Newsletters/Newsletters_61_CADMIUM-An EnvironmentToxicant-March-2007.pdf
"Environmental tobacco smoke generally during smoking is among the major pollutants
in the indoor environment. The presence of toxic metals as chronic inhalation of metals
at high concentration can cause respiratory diseases and lung cancer. These metals may
include trace concentration
of antimony, arsenic, cadmium, chromium, cobalt, lead,
manganese, mercury, nickel, selenium etc.
The metal content in the tobacco comes from the soil, which is being concentrated by
tobacco plants."

a pile of metal? its probably makign its way through your bloodstream as we speak
Why do you insist on comparing tobacco farming and other outdoor food farming to growing weed. As I stated before, i use my soil for 4 months and trash it, I don't reuse it and refert it over years to worry about a heavy metal build up in my soil. YOU seem to like to skirt the real questions. Your video of some douche picking out a better farmers fruit, proves NOTHING other than that the same fruit can have different tastes when grown by different farmers. You haven't proven why you think organics taste better. Quit comparing growing weed to growing tobacco.I haven't smoked in 8 years.Discussions with you are mute, it's like talking to a wall, so again, I leave you with more dumb comparisons and your cadmium bulid up,lmfao
 

chuck estevez

Well-Known Member
Many thanks to ALL contributors to this debate so far, for the person trying to find out the truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth its a bit disconcerting. there are so many opinions, still it has been conducted in a civil manner and makes good reading. With regards to the series of videos etc posted a few posts back concerning various members of the public seemingly unable to distinguish between organic and non organic tomatos etc, its not really a valid comparison to make in the context that the produce tested in those videos is not SMOKED. Whilst reading through various articles about the benefits of various bloom boosters like '' Beastie Buds '' and the like, it was commonly reported that weed grown with said chemical oriented additives actually '' sparked '' and '' crackled '' during smoking. This concerned me greatly and I determined to go organic as much as possible for the basic reason that it seems healthier than this scenario. Plus the commonly held view is that it is almost impossible to over fertilise using organic nutrients is surely a positive aspect. Good reading guys.
Non sense, properly grown and cured, it doesn't matter what nutrients you used, organic or inorganic, it's all broken down to the same form and the plant doesn't know the difference.
 

Bilbo Baggins

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Chuck, I'm entirely inclined to believe you, if the sparking and crackling scenario had any truth I'm sure I would have heard more about it, or maybe its just that in commercial grows OTHER things are added to give this effect. like powdered glass for example ??? I kid ye not, Chinese growing gangs in the UK for a while commonly added powdered glass to sticky buds to give the effect of sparkling trichomes to the dried bud ( and also added a little weight as well ) but it IS a fact that loads of posters on the forum I read this on were of the unshakeable belief that sparking and crackling was the product of chemical fertilisers. I'm inclined to accept your take on things, but why do folk post such claims with such misguided authority. Its a minefield of bullshit out there.
 

chuck estevez

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Chuck, I'm entirely inclined to believe you, if the sparking and crackling scenario had any truth I'm sure I would have heard more about it, or maybe its just that in commercial grows OTHER things are added to give this effect. like powdered glass for example ??? I kid ye not, Chinese growing gangs in the UK for a while commonly added powdered glass to sticky buds to give the effect of sparkling trichomes to the dried bud ( and also added a little weight as well ) but it IS a fact that loads of posters on the forum I read this on were of the unshakeable belief that sparking and crackling was the product of chemical fertilisers. I'm inclined to accept your take on things, but why do folk post such claims with such misguided authority. Its a minefield of bullshit out there.
I've heard that weed that was unflushed did this, or black ash meant it was unflushed. ALL nonsense.
As you can see from all the threads on flushing that opinions are like assholes. I can take a joint of my UNFLUSHED weed, grown with Synthetic Nutes and it burns clean and white, BUT this is not suppose to be according to Poop for brains.

 

brotherjericho

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take a ppm tester and measure the content of the water before flushing and the run off from after. batguano washes out just fine for me as does alask fish, seaweed and molasses. when i get organic fertilizers on my hands it washes off with water.are you joking?
I use cottonseed meal, bone meal, alfalfa meal, as well as various other slower releasing organic nutrients. Will you flush away all of these slower release fertilizers when they are not readily soluble in water.

So who is joking now?
 

Jeffdogg

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I've heard that weed that was unflushed did this, or black ash meant it was unflushed. ALL nonsense.
As you can see from all the threads on flushing that opinions are like assholes. I can take a joint of my UNFLUSHED weed, grown with Synthetic Nutes and it burns clean and white, BUT this is not suppose to be according to Poop for brains.



You didnt finish it

opinions are like assholes, we all have one and they all stink!
 

Trousers

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apparently the boys wonder(plural) have been doing this to everyones threads... everywhere on this forum. my best advice to you would to look up every source iv posted for everytip and do your own research as well. and even better advice would be not to pay attention to trousers, impman, chuck estevez,or brotherjeraldine.

You called me a troll?
You can't post anything but stories to back up your flushing deal.
Telling new growers to flush is trolling and douchey.

You keep rambling on incorrectly about chemical fertilizers, completely ignoring that if you feed properly flushing is unnecessary.

Again, why is it beneficial to flush away microbes in an organic grow?
You keep rambling on incoherently about heavy metals, what about organic soil?
 

Trousers

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I'm going to go put my unflushed weed into jars, it is done drying now on to a proper cure and white ash with great taste and smell.



Again, the stuff you hear about unflushed weed is most likely poorly cured weed.
Growers who mess up their weed do not want to blame themselves so they find an excuse like flushing.
That is why people think feminized seeds are more likely to "hermie" lol.
 
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