Thoughts on Subcools seeds and "business"
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hydrogregg
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Cool thanks for the heads up. I'll take pics next week (9 weeks) and the following weekend at 10 weeks when I harvest em.
I love the strains he breeds. he just uses plant he likes. there is nothing wrong with that. and he gets results, which is more than i can say for alot of breeders now.
he hasnt sold out and started feminising, which is where all the money is.
and he keeps in contact with alot of fans online, he uploads and shouts out to most people who want advice or just to say hi. how many breeders do that? saying that, i still dont swear by his genetics like some, but im not that fanatical.
sub is a talented grower though. that super soil is very effective.
I mean, I dont have alot in common with him and his taste in music etc. but hell, we're all brothers anyway. we all love ganja here.
plus i've ran his gear, it tastes phenomenal. interesting turpine profiles on all of them. not all this boring 50 different types of og or chem.
props to sub he's a good lad!
check out my journal featuring subs gear.
https://www.rollitup.org/grow-journals/607508-wendy420_tgasubcool-paradise-dna-caliconnection-grow.html
Wendy
420
he hasnt sold out and started feminising, which is where all the money is.
and he keeps in contact with alot of fans online, he uploads and shouts out to most people who want advice or just to say hi. how many breeders do that? saying that, i still dont swear by his genetics like some, but im not that fanatical.
sub is a talented grower though. that super soil is very effective.
I mean, I dont have alot in common with him and his taste in music etc. but hell, we're all brothers anyway. we all love ganja here.
plus i've ran his gear, it tastes phenomenal. interesting turpine profiles on all of them. not all this boring 50 different types of og or chem.
props to sub he's a good lad!
check out my journal featuring subs gear.
https://www.rollitup.org/grow-journals/607508-wendy420_tgasubcool-paradise-dna-caliconnection-grow.html
Wendy
420
Mr.Vega
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Subcool is a damn good HUSTLER....that's all he is...and if u buy a pack of his seeds u just got HUSTLED...good grower...a lot of cannabis knowledge...GGGRRREEEEAAAATTT hustler/salesman....u can find just as good if not better and def more stable phenos w other genetics....I think he doesn't produce fem seeds cuase he can't...or doesn't know how...because for as many ppl that there are out there buying fem seeds I can promise sub would wanna capitalize on the business if he could....I see that in him....hell he was bitchin on one of his shows abt ppl not buying the guitar pics he had for sale on his site...ha...think he wldnt sell fem seeds if he could?...I promise he doesn't care THAT much abt stable genes....I watch his show...appreciate his work and knowledge....but I've nvr and prolly will nvr buy tga seeds...some of my best plants were from unknown seeds...I doubt ill drop $100 bucks on a pack of seeds HOPING to get a keeper....I think most TGA fans are just caught up in the popularity and hype...
Don't know why you hate Subcool so much. But hes shit is much better IMO than most breeders out there. I just got done with a 28 strain seeds run from every well known seeds bank. Outta those 28 4 made the Cut and Vortex was one of them.
BTW I'm glad hes a hustler, cause so am I.
Most of this shit you spew is nothing but Opinion. You don't know that he doesn't care about stable genes. Come On. Hes in the business and you're not.
Thats Because Bag seed was probably some dank shit at one time.
Yes really. I'll take a vowel for 1000. KAL
Hÿdra
Active Member
In my remedial view....ANY Seeds can be good, its up to the grower to pheno hunt for truly great plants.
TGA seesm to rush out seeds with out alot of the "testing" and stabilization that other seeds banks seem to go through.
I had two seeds of Jilly bean.... they grew two TOTALLY different kinds of bud. a friend got a 3rd TOTALLY different herb from the same pack of jilly mine came from(only 3 of 10 germ'd grrr)
That has never happened with any other breeders seeds(i have gotten seeds from people on RIU and gotten uniformity of growth patterns and FAR closers tastes smells)
Which leads me to believe that perhaps TGA is GREAT at matching good flavors together, but expects the grower to search for keepers.
Other companies seems to do some of that work FOR the grower, because other companies dont have the wild variations within the same strain.
IS SOME TGA fire?? Im sure, or he wouldnt be in business! Have i EVER FOUND IT ....nope. Never smoked one good bud of TGA gear, not once, not even a little bit.
Just a bunch of over priced crap is all i have ever got from TGA, I hope to one day be shown the light, but until then i remain skeptical.
Only my dopey opinion, as i have no where NEAR the knowledge of you guys.
TGA seesm to rush out seeds with out alot of the "testing" and stabilization that other seeds banks seem to go through.
I had two seeds of Jilly bean.... they grew two TOTALLY different kinds of bud. a friend got a 3rd TOTALLY different herb from the same pack of jilly mine came from(only 3 of 10 germ'd grrr)
That has never happened with any other breeders seeds(i have gotten seeds from people on RIU and gotten uniformity of growth patterns and FAR closers tastes smells)
Which leads me to believe that perhaps TGA is GREAT at matching good flavors together, but expects the grower to search for keepers.
Other companies seems to do some of that work FOR the grower, because other companies dont have the wild variations within the same strain.
IS SOME TGA fire?? Im sure, or he wouldnt be in business! Have i EVER FOUND IT ....nope. Never smoked one good bud of TGA gear, not once, not even a little bit.
Just a bunch of over priced crap is all i have ever got from TGA, I hope to one day be shown the light, but until then i remain skeptical.
Only my dopey opinion, as i have no where NEAR the knowledge of you guys.
CWinAZ
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"I can promise sub would wanna capitalize on the business if he could....I see that in him...." WRONG. Sub is very clear that he thinks Fem seeds are unnatural, unnecessary, and he isn't interested in supplying them, ever, so I'd say that opinion is dictating his refusal to sell them, not an inability to make them. I follow the guy, so I know this as fact. Actually, anyone familiar with the process of making fem seeds would know it ain't rocket science, its actually very simple, with a specific product.
Hustle means hard work, and I would agree with you that Sub is a hustler. His advice: "...be diligent in all things growroom related...[growers] are essentially farmers, and that means getting up early and working long days". Good advice, and hits me square between the eyes.
I dont have too much experience with TGA myself. But overall the genetics sound very hit or miss. I've personally seen it both ways. There's a really airy Jilly Bean that's floating around. On the otherhand I see a very nice smelling and frosty Plushberry, that I was fortunate to have my hands on.
Luck of the draw really, but those rare phenos are definitely keepers and out there. In Phoenix even...
Luck of the draw really, but those rare phenos are definitely keepers and out there. In Phoenix even...
I think thats true with every strain and breeder
SourD420
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He definitely wrong about them being unnatural. Plants self pollinate themselves to keep the genetics alive
LinguaPeel
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Bump.
tardis
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I was a big fan of Subcools gear when I lived in Hawaii. Never got a single hermie with his gear. I think people disliked him personally especially since he went out seeking fame and success or they just didn't mesh with him personally either way his gear is amazing. My favorite strain is Vortex, and when I say my favorite strain I don't just mean by him. His stuff smelled and tasted like candy. Querkle, Vortex, Third Dimension, The Flav, all had that candy flavor that made you salivate and want more. I swear his shit will give you diabetes. So to answer the initial question, his gear is great. Are there pheno's? Yes because he sells F1's which means they also have great hybrid vigor. As long as the parents are high quality the offspring of F1's are amazing. Its the F2's that have the explosion of phenos where you need to hunt through bunk to find the treasure. F3's are stable and many breeders will sell F3's because you get the same thing every time (or close to it). His gear always turned out as described when I grew it, so although they were F1's (i'm guessing) they were always fire. Only strain I did not like was Jack the RIpper. It tasted great great beautifully but was too strong for me. The high was way too heavy for my smoking and I smoked a lot.
I know this thread is old. I grew out a pack of Querkle a few years back probably around the time this thread started, and found 4/5 females and all grew to be the very similar in structure, height and colour. The plants were amazing. Iv also grown out Mr Nice seeds and had a lot more variation - in fact i never found a keeper from any of the strains i grew from Shanti - but does that make him a bad breeder? They all state to expect variation. I think alot of people expect the seed to be some kind of magic bean that grows into a perfect replica of the picture on the ‘pack’. I would say be grateful to the plant. Show it love! If you are lucky you will find a keeper. If not keep going. And stop complaining! Aint you high?
