newbies increase your yields with these tips

[chuck estevez]

im done with this thread. pissing on the plants, 3-4 trolls bickering with me about 2 of my 25 bullet points and telling me my entire thread is crap. Lack of moderators.

good riddance!!!!

 

[brotherjericho]

^^ Whats sad is that mods would be very hard pressed to call my posts in here "trolling". All i have been doing is debating with the OP, not slinging mud like he has. For that I get to have him follow me around the forum and harass me. I just think he's jealous of my mad skillz!

 

[chuck estevez]

^^ Whats sad is that mods would be very hard pressed to call my posts in here "trolling". All i have been doing is debating with the OP, not slinging mud like he has. For that I get to have him follow me around the forum and harass me. I just think he's jealous of my mad skillz!

[video=youtube;g3MfMqoCZWw]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g3MfMqoCZWw[/video]

 

[brotherjericho]

Hell yeah, that's me!

 

[Jeffdogg]

Sol ets start on a positive note and give the newbies a tip

Never eat yellow snow!

 

[brotherjericho]

But that's off topic, because it doesn't help them increase yield.

 

[chuck estevez]

You would think we would have some heavy nugs with all the cadmium in them. Why lighten em up by flushing it out,lol

 

[Jeffdogg]

Off topic lol, page few pages have been off topic

 

[brotherjericho]

Damn, I thought we were going to steer this ship aright!

 

[Maphyr]

So much conflicting information in this post compared to other posts I've read. Seems there's a lot of this around, many people have different ways of doing things. Some people say don't do this, while other say do it!

Confusing as fuck man.

 

[applepoop1984]

So much conflicting information in this post compared to other posts I've read. Seems there's a lot of this around, many people have different ways of doing things. Some people say don't do this, while other say do it!

Confusing as fuck man.

its key too note they are not debating 92% of my tips iv posted. they have debated:

the effectiveness of flushing

the ability of soil and dolomite lime to act as a buffer.

there only argument is that what if the water ph is 8.0, but in my tips i list buying a ph meter and even give instructions on how to ph the water

on the effects of flushing there argument is well your removing beneficial microbes. the fact is that if youre growing with inorganic ferts microbes are not necessary as inorganics are already in readily available form. with organics aerated compost teas are used and are teeming microbes so after the flush you simply supplement by watering with organic tea after every flush.

 

[kinetic]

So much conflicting information in this post compared to other posts I've read. Seems there's a lot of this around, many people have different ways of doing things. Some people say don't do this, while other say do it!

Confusing as fuck man.

Don't get overmwhelmed man. Just get yourself going and do what works for you and your taste. Tweaking things as you move further in you own endeavour. Nothing beats handson!

 

[Maphyr]

its key too note they are not debating 92% of my tips iv posted. they have debated:

the effectiveness of flushing

the ability of soil and dolomite lime to act as a buffer.

there only argument is that what if the water ph is 8.0, but in my tips i list buying a ph meter and even give instructions on how to ph the water

on the effects of flushing there argument is well your removing beneficial microbes. the fact is that if youre growing with inorganic ferts microbes are not necessary as inorganics are already in readily available form. with organics aerated compost teas are used and are teeming microbes so after the flush you simply supplement by watering with organic tea after every flush.

I'm talking about the original post, my mind may melt if I try to read the rest of this thread.

 

[applepoop1984]

I'm talking about the original post, my mind may melt if I try to read the rest of this thread.

i think i may be able to help you out.it is key to note that onyl 2 of my tips have received a large amount of criticism , the flushing one and the zero water pitcher. if you have a high ppm in your tap water a zero water pitcher will remove so much that it is guarenteed to be less than 10ppm afterwards. flushing is something that should be done to remove heavy metals. it has been proven that up to 52% of heavy metals can be removed from the soil with plain water. if the water you flushed is from the zero water pitcher even more coudl eb removed as it has low ppm. look at the post #1, and go throw all 25 tips. look at every source of those 25 tips. do internet searches on the tips. im going to give you the book i quoted for some of my tips , i think it is around 6 or so of them and here it is:

http://www.scribd.com/doc/54519410/Mel-Frank-and-Ed-Rosenthal-The-Marijuana-Growers-Guide

 

[chuck estevez]

its key too note they are not debating 92% of my tips iv posted. They have debated:

The effectiveness of flushing

the ability of soil and dolomite lime to act as a buffer.

There only argument is that what if the water ph is 8.0, but in my tips i list buying a ph meter and even give instructions on how to ph the water

on the effects of flushing there argument is well your removing beneficial microbes. The fact is that if youre growing with inorganic ferts microbes are not necessary as inorganics are already in readily available form. With organics aerated compost teas are used and are teeming microbes so after the flush you simply supplement by watering with organic tea after every flush.

wrong, again!!

From the nutritional perspective, a plant cannot tell if applied nutrients come from a manufactured fertilizer or a natural source. Plants use nutrients in ionic forms. Soil microorganisms must break down organic soil amendments, organic fertilizers and many manufactured fertilizers before the nutrients become usable by plants.

Remember that fertility is only part of the soil’s role in supporting plant growth. The organic content of the soil also directly affects plant growth due to its influence on soil tilth and the activity of beneficial soil microorganisms. Relying solely on manufactured fertilizers is not recommended as this does not support good soil tilth.

 

[applepoop1984]

wrong, again!!

how so?

From the nutritional perspective, a plant cannot tell if applied nutrients come from a manufactured fertilizer or a natural source. Plants use nutrients in ionic forms. Soil microorganisms must break down organic soil amendments, organic fertilizers and many manufactured fertilizers before the nutrients become usable by plants.

but according to you plants are unable to uptake heavy metal ions.

Remember that fertility is only part of the soil’s role in supporting plant growth. The organic content of the soil also directly affects plant growth due to its influence on soil tilth and the activity of beneficial soil microorganisms. Relying solely on manufactured fertilizers is not recommended as this does not support good soil tilth.


so basically youre saying that the aerobes in compost teas do nothing to break down the nutrients? what about hydroponics? youre contradicting yourself.

 

[Jeffdogg]

Different strokes for different folks guys, the dead horse stinks enough. Must we keep beating on it?

 

[applepoop1984]

"?has long been recognized that mineral cations including calcium (Ca2+), magnesium (Mg2+), potassium (K+) and ammonium (NH4+) play some role in the development of postharvest disorders (Ferguson and Watkins, 1989). Bitter pit in apple and cork spot in pears are largely treated in commercial fruit orchards by applying preharvest calcium sprays to fruit. While these disorders have been studied for more than a hundred years, their exact cause and their complete and predictable control have eluded researchers. This may be partially explained by the complex relationships between minerals in the fruit and the differential uptake and transport of cations in the tree. This paper reviews some of the evidence of the involvement of Ca, Mg, and K in the development of bitter pit and cork spot, and the differential uptake and transport of these minerals within the tree and fruit. It is hoped that this will explain the lack of complete control of these disorders with calcium sprays, and how the management of other nutrients may influence quality."

now explain to me again, why you think nutrients cannot be uptaken into the plants? i think you just like to say "tilth" because it makes you feel smug. do you feel smug knowing that nutrients can and are in fact distributed throughout the plant including stem leaves flowers and fruit?

 

[applepoop1984]

Different strokes for different folks guys, the dead horse stinks enough. Must we keep beating on it?

they'll never stop. theyre on a crusade and ratgher than writing there own thread they choose to attack mine. they have yet to misprove any of my tips as fallacy and choose pedantics over any concrete evidence. 2 posters believe nutrients are not uptaken into the plants as well as heavy metals. two observations that are blatant lies

 

[Thornton Melon]

"?has long been recognized that mineral cations including calcium (Ca2+), magnesium (Mg2+), potassium (K+) and ammonium (NH4+) play some role in the development of postharvest disorders (Ferguson and Watkins, 1989). Bitter pit in apple and cork spot in pears are largely treated in commercial fruit orchards by applying preharvest calcium sprays to fruit. While these disorders have been studied for more than a hundred years, their exact cause and their complete and predictable control have eluded researchers. This may be partially explained by the complex relationships between minerals in the fruit and the differential uptake and transport of cations in the tree. This paper reviews some of the evidence of the involvement of Ca, Mg, and K in the development of bitter pit and cork spot, and the differential uptake and transport of these minerals within the tree and fruit. It is hoped that this will explain the lack of complete control of these disorders with calcium sprays, and how the management of other nutrients may influence quality."

now explain to me again, why you think nutrients cannot be uptaken into the plants? i think you just like to say "tilth" because it makes you feel smug. do you feel smug knowing that nutrients can and are in fact distributed throughout the plant including stem leaves flowers and fruit?

You give me a headache