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lysergicrain

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medium; coco coir
Indoors
strain: barneys farm lsd
age: veg 1 month
lights: cfl 240 watts

How far from the lights? 125 watt is 6 inches... the 5 23 watts are 1-3 inches from plants.
watering frequency: every 3-4 days

source of water: bottled or distilled
nutes: fox farms grow big 1/2 strength
temp: 75-80 f
humidity: 50-60%
What size pots? 0.75 gallon
bugs? don't think so. i spray sm-90 on them

ph: around 6
runoff ph: 5.8-6.5

i fimmed the very droopy one 1-2 days ago. maybe i did it wrong? it hasnt grown back yet

the edges of the very droopy one are turning brown... why?
before i fimmed i also cut a bit of the brown edges off of both plants
why is my growth so slow?
why is the growth so bunched up and small?
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Hugo Phurst

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I know fuck all about soil, so....N def maybe for the yelow leaves. Pots too big?

What are the K of the CFL's? I use a 3:1 ratio of 6500K and 3000K for Veg.

Good luck.
 

hydrogreen65

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Unless you have your nutes dialed in almost perfect, you need to stay away from distilled or RO'd water. They're completely stripped of micro nutrients that your plants need.
Looks like they were a lil small to be doing any kind of topping.
 

kinddiesel

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feed them some nutes give some real water. people always feeding there plants crackers, if you want a big plant time to get out the steroids , and stop using bottled water, you know hoe much a full grown plant will use a day in a 75 gallon pot, shit, hot summer day 2/5 gallons, good luck with bottled water,
 

PeaceGrow

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to me it looks to be your lighting source, basically you are using the same lights i have in every outlet in my house, Honestly im surprised that they did not stretch, There is no way you could spend about $120.00 will get you a 400 with a hood and a metal halide and a high pressure sodium bulb, You seem to know what your talking about, I just hope you get your plants some light on the spectrum, Plants that are vegging need MH and Flowering HPS, I honestly think your plants would TAKE off if they had a more powerful light, hope this helps some!! Stay High & Good Bye :)
 

Jeffdogg

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How many time have you grown with coco? How did you prepare the coco step by step. I dont want to ask any specifics cause i dont want you to say "i did that" and you really didnt.
 

lysergicrain

New Member
this is my first time growing at all. i got the coco from a 5kg brick on amazon. soaked half in tap water. in the beginning i used styrofoam cups. there was about 20% perlite on the bottom. the rest was coco and mixed with a bit of perlite for extra drainage. i rinsed it before i added the seeds. first with tap. then with ph distilled water.
 

Jeffdogg

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Theres alot of coco out there that you must rise out very thoroughly because of the salts in it, not all coco has this salt in it theres some that take care of it while packaging. Some people take a couple days to wash the salts out (wash let sit, wash let sit etc..). If anything that would prob be my guess. Also when you water are you giving it food or just water? And how often does it get the food if not every watering?
 

Impman

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OVERWATERING!!!! You water those little fuckers every 3-4 days? JEeezus let them grow some. stop watering for a week

 

Jeffdogg

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And coco for a first time grow? Your gonna be struggling You really need to get soil and try to transplant the best you can. Get soil its much more forgiving then coco for a new grower bud.
 

Impman

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That is Classic Overwatering and thus causing the fucked up droopy leafs. You have overfed those poor things. DOn't water a plant unless it is growing!!!
 

BBbubblegum

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Overwatering and N deficiency. The issue is that you are using coco and your containers are too big for the plant while you are still unexperienced. Very easy to overwater/underwater in improper sized containers.
 

lysergicrain

New Member
yes i only have regular fan on them. not those mini ones. couldnt get my hand on it. but i adjust it so that it doesnt blow directly.
 

ThorGanjason

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Haven't read through all the posts, but pic 1 looks like swollen and droopy leaves from over watering. Pic 3 looks like yellowing leaves with green veins (magnesium deficiency) probably caused by using bottled water. I would start watering (less) with tap water. It wouldn't be a bad idea to get some Epsom salt and put it in your water for the magnesium.
 

Jeffdogg

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Heres some stuff i dug up, prob stuff your buddies at growweedeasy didnt mention

Coconut husk in general contains large quantity of salts that can harm your plants and can cause salt clogs. Most good-quality coco coiris properly rinsed before sale. Botanicare provides salt free coco coir products. Likewise, Canna and Royal Gold Coco provide good quality stuff. When you rinse coco for the first time it tends to bundle up. In such cases, ensure the roots of your plants receive all the oxygen needed. This can be done by shuffling the coir well with your hands before you place it in your Hydroponics Systems. Coco Coir has its own unique chemical properties and water holding characteristics that might give negative results when interacted with fertilizers that are meant for other hydroponic growing mediums. Coco “locks up” some nutrients while over-releasing others. It might hold certain nutrients and release others at a greater pace. This might result in nutrient deficiency even if your plants are given adequate nutrients in the reservoir. You will notice decreased growth rates if you use regular hydroponics nutrients in coco coir gardens. Because of which it’s advisable to pre wash coir before use and add coco coir specific nutrients for your potting mix.
Hydroponics Nutrients For Coco Coir: Do They Work For You?
But even when hydroponic coco coir is properly manufactured, the material still has big problems marijuana growers deal with. That’s because coir has natural tendencies to lock up calcium, magnesium, and iron, but at the same time coir has a tendency to oversupply potassium and phosphorus.
Growers using coir, even with reverse osmosis water and coir-specific fertilizers, are often frustrated by coir-related nutrients deficiencies and excesses that create serious problems for their marijuana plants.
Hydroponics nutrients companies have struggled to create coir-specific fertilizers that actually work well. Most major hydroponics companies have released coir-specific fertilizers or “coir-safe” products that marijuana growers are dissatisfied with for reasons relating to the way those products handle magnesium, calcium, iron, phosphorus, and potassium in coir.
I got good, new information about coco coir for marijuana at the Spannabis marijuana event in Spain, when I met a top executive from the hydroponics company Advanced Nutrients. Company co-founder Michael Straumietis told me his scientists are putting the finishing touches on coir-specific hydroponics nutrients.
He said his scientists compiled a list of all the problems marijuana growers are having with coir and coir fertilizers, then set out to design a new generation of coco fertilizers that beneficially handle how coco interacts with iron, magnesium, calcium, phosphorus, and potassium in marijuana growing.
The company plans on releasing a full menu of coir-specific base nutrients, Straumietis told me. If I remember correctly, he listed these as: Jungle Juice Coco three-part, Jungle Juice Coco two-part, pH Perfect Coco three-part, pH Perfect Sensi Coco Grow and Bloom, and pH Perfect Coco Connoisseur.
Straumietis said he anticipates retail availability of these “new generation” coco coir fertilizers as soon as the company’s process of scientific review, and its quality control and manufacturing sectors, can get the new coco-specific fertilizers to growers. He says this could happen within a few weeks or a few months. I told him to hurry it up because I am currently using Canna Coco fertilizer and Canna Coco Coir and having good enough results. But I've also had a few problems with Canna Coco nutrients, and I am always looking for ways to upgrade my hydroponics nutrients and techniques, so I am willing to give his stuff a try when it comes out.
And when I talked to a Canna rep, he acknowledged that many marijuana growers have problems using coco coir, and said I should use a Cal-Mag formula. Which I had already been using, but it really didn’t eliminate the problems I was seeing. In fact, I think Cal-Mag may have overloaded calcium or magnesium, which in turn affected absorption of other nutrients. It didn’t fix anything!
I often grow Sativa strains like Kali Mist that are sensitive to nutrient element irregularities, so I’m looking forward to seeing what Advanced Nutrients or anyone else can do to help those of us who recognize the benefits of coco coir, and I told Straumietis to please get his coir fertilizers to my hydroponics store right away so I can improve my marijuana crops. Now check this out…tips to help you get more from coir:

  • Only buy coco coir from companies that can assure you of safe, professional practices in sourcing, washing, storing, treating, and shipping their coir materials.
  • Ask hydroponics stores and coir products manufacturers about the specific blends of various coir components, the drainage characteristics, and the usefulness of different brands and types of coir products before you buy.
  • Watch your leaves. If they are anything other than super-healthy, lime green, and in great shape, and if your grow room environment and marijuana growing techniques are correct, it’s likely your marijuana plants are experiencing coir-related nutrients problems.
  • Ask other growers, and hydroponics retailers, about their experiences with coir fertilizers and coco coir brands. What do they like or not like, and why?
  • Pre-wash your coir with pH-adjusted reverse osmosis water before using, and especially be careful to follow any coir manufacturer protocols for pre-treatment and/or pre-washing of coir.
  • Periodically during bloom phase use an enzyme product like SensiZym to break down root zone debris, increase nutritional availability, and to prep your coir for re-use.
  • Put a layer of coarse perlite or hydroton at the bottom of your coir pots or beds to assist in drainage and oxygenation.
  • Consider creating customized coir blends to suit your marijuana growing environment. This means blending coir with perlite, hydroton, and other amendments so you make the coir have the drainage and other properties that are best for your marijuana garden.
  • Monitor your nutrients run-off and otherwise ensure that your coir cannabis plants’ root zone is in the 5.5-6.3 pH range.
  • Use drip irrigation and closely monitor how wet your coir is.
Coco coir is an environmentally-responsible marijuana root zone material that offers advantages over other materials used in marijuana gardening. However, marijuana growers are aware now that coir and/or inferior coir fertilizers may well be causing problems with potassium, iron, magnesium, calcium, and phosphorus elements that affect yield and THC. I personally am waiting to test the new pH Perfect coir products, and will keep you posted. Looking forward to having bigger buds and more fun with coco coir…and less work using it!
 
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