Banana Tea (Potassium)

Villane

Villane

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I was searching around the forums for an organic potassium amendment and came across a tea recipe using banana peels. (I'm currently in week 3 and the lower leaves of my grow are dying and falling off). I'm wondering if anyone has used this recipe before, and if so, can you storage this type of tea or does it have to be used within hours like AACTs.
 
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growingforfun

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I've never heard of this before but it sounds good I guess. Do they contain anything that would effect the plant negativity ?
 
hyroot

hyroot

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im sure it would have to be used right away. you can also do a worm bin and feed the worms banana pells. it takes longer but it works good..
 
Nullis

Nullis

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This seems totally unpractical, to me. Banana peels do contain potassium, and other minerals too undoubtedly, but who knows how much of those nutrients are available to the plant. You can't just throw some banana peels in water with an air stone and expect any kind of benefit from them. Most of the nutrients in the peels are incorporated into more complex molecules, and everything needs to be broken down in order to be beneficial.

An AACT or any kind of plant tea needs an inoculant, such as compost, humus, earthworm castings, guano or microbes in a bottle. It also needs organic matter (compost\humus\guano, etc. is both organic matter and an inoculant), with sufficient nutrients and minerals for the microbes to use for growing their bio-mass, along with a carbohydrate source they can harvest energy from (sugars and possibly complex carbs). While banana peels do contain some simple sugars and carbohydrates, it still doesn't seem like a practical tea additive. It would be better to add in something like kelp meal, which also has K.

If you were even going to consider add banana peels they'd need to be dehydrated and powdered.
 
hyroot

hyroot

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Enzymes and beneficial bacteria do contribute to larger buds. So if potassium activates all those enzymes. In turn contributes to promoting larger buds...... Imo the balance of pk improves bud size more than either mineral alone.
 
Impman

Impman

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i can only post a link and ask you to read it. if you can't read it or refuse to read it then don't post a comment on it.... science is science bongsmilie
 
Nullis

Nullis

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Impman said:
http://www.adonline.id.au/flowers/the-potassium-myth/
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I replied to the thread you made in the Newb section with that link... As I said there, you are totally not comprehending this properly and apparently you don't really care to. Potassium does not cause flowering to occur. In other words, giving a crap load of phosphorous/potassium will not initiate flowering or make a plant produce more blooms any faster. Flowering in cannabis is caused or initiated by photo-period.

However, it is still a macronutrient and plants in bloom do need a bit more potassium than do plants in veg. K can often be a limiting nutrient, in organic potting soils as many organic amendments are lacking in K (bone meal, blood meal, guano, etc.).
 
hyroot

hyroot

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^^^^^I did read it. It states that potassium activates enzymes. It also says in some cases potassium does improve flower size. In some species of plants it does increase bud size. But it fails to mention anything about mj. Are you sure you read it?

you shouldn't post a link that you have not read or do not understand . logic is logic:roll:
 
Impman

Impman

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Nullis said:
I replied to the thread you made in the Newb section with that link... As I said there, you are totally not comprehending this properly and apparently you don't really care to. Potassium does not cause flowering to occur. In other words, giving a crap load of phosphorous/potassium will not initiate flowering or make a plant produce more blooms any faster. Flowering in cannabis is caused or initiated by photo-period.

However, it is still a macronutrient and plants in bloom do need a bit more potassium than do plants in veg. K can often be a limiting nutrient, in organic potting soils as many organic amendments are lacking in K (bone meal, blood meal, guano, etc.).
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The key rule of thumb is this: "nutrients do not regulate growth, hormones do". Potassium is not a hormone. It therefore cannot stimulate flowering. It is important to realise that the process of flowering is extremely complex (as this site will attest) and even a well-qualified horticulturalist of many years experience will not necessarily be able to solve your problem. In most cases, you can be assured that if your plant is healthy-looking, an ansence of flowers will not be corrected via an application of potassium. - See more at: http://www.adonline.id.au/flowers/the-potassium-myth/#sthash.Zo5Tbdtv.dpuf

I don't think you read more than a few sentences before your ears started burning because of all the wasted money you spend
 
hyroot

hyroot

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potassium helps with the uptajke of calcium and vice versa and the feelers and branching out of roots. more roots. larger pant, larger buds.... alone a few things. but all the nutrients work together
 
Nullis

Nullis

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Oh yeah... and you totally missed that part about "fruit set"... huh? Might want to find out exactly what that entails before you start ranting and raving about... well whatever the hell your deal is.

Just because you read a few things about plants doesn't make you an expert and you have admitted repeatedly to being a newb on other threads, so what gives? And it goes way beyond just reading shit, giving it a quick once-over. You need to actually understand what you are reading. When I was in school I was told to read the same stuff over and over again, multiple times, because you don't pick up on everything the first or even second time you read something... you just don't. You really need to know what every word in a sentence means, in it's proper context, in order to get the bigger picture. And then in these cases you need to try and apply what you have learned to get the most out of it.


So please, shut it or show me the plants you grew in soil-less mix with no K.
 
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woody333333

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Nullis said:
Oh yeah... and you totally missed that part about "fruit set"... huh? Might want to find out exactly what that entails before you start ranting and raving about... well whatever the hell your deal is.

Just because you read a few things about plants doesn't make you an expert and you have admitted repeatedly to being a newb on other threads, so what gives? And it goes way beyond just reading shit, giving it a quick once-over. You need to actually understand what you are reading. When I was in school I was told to read the same stuff over and over again, multiple times, because you don't pick up on everything the first or even second time you read something... you just don't. You really need to know what every word in a sentence means, in it's proper context, in order to get the bigger picture. And then in these cases you need to try and apply what you have learned to get the most out of it.


So please, shut it or show me the plants you grew in soil-less mix with no K.
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sometimes i get bored reading....... forget im reading start thinking bout something else then like 5 pages later i wake up and have to start over..... it sucks
 
Villane

Villane

Member
Nullis said:
This seems totally unpractical, to me. Banana peels do contain potassium, and other minerals too undoubtedly, but who knows how much of those nutrients are available to the plant. You can't just throw some banana peels in water with an air stone and expect any kind of benefit from them. Most of the nutrients in the peels are incorporated into more complex molecules, and everything needs to be broken down in order to be beneficial.

An AACT or any kind of plant tea needs an inoculant, such as compost, humus, earthworm castings, guano or microbes in a bottle. It also needs organic matter (compost\humus\guano, etc. is both organic matter and an inoculant), with sufficient nutrients and minerals for the microbes to use for growing their bio-mass, along with a carbohydrate source they can harvest energy from (sugars and possibly complex carbs). While banana peels do contain some simple sugars and carbohydrates, it still doesn't seem like a practical tea additive. It would be better to add in something like kelp meal, which also has K.

If you were even going to consider add banana peels they'd need to be dehydrated and powdered.
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The guy who posted said to boil the banana peels in water, and that's how your supposedly extract the K. But, I just ended up getting Dr. Earth Seaweed concentrate xD.
 
Nullis

Nullis

Moderator
If it is a volume of material complicated in nature, you gotta be in the right frame of mind undoubtedly. Can't be [too] stoned. Of course it helps to eat a diet of mainly hemp seed and sushi.

Don't get me wrong, there are times you can skim thru material you are more familiar with, but there are also times when you really need to read things over again. It helps to practice active reading, there are simple strategies for this like asking yourself questions about what you are are reading before and during. Some people take notes while are they are reading, which is easier with physical material like a book you can write in or put post-it notes in.

Sometimes you need someone to help break it down for you.

So, Impman for the last time I am sorry that you don't get it, and that you were having issues, but you really need to stop projecting. Just trying to help you and others see the bigger picture here... IDK why you come here and post a random link because you see the word "potassium" in the thread title... For all I know you didn't even read the whole article you freaking posted enough to understand it!

Impman said:
The key rule of thumb is this: "nutrients do not regulate growth, hormones do". Potassium is not a hormone. It therefore cannot stimulate flowering. It is important to realise that the process of flowering is extremely complex (as this site will attest) and even a well-qualified horticulturalist of many years experience will not necessarily be able to solve your problem. In most cases, you can be assured that if your plant is healthy-looking, an ansence of flowers will not be corrected via an application of potassium. - See more at: http://www.adonline.id.au/flowers/the-potassium-myth/#sthash.Zo5Tbdtv.dpuf

I don't think you read more than a few sentences before your ears started burning because of all the wasted money you spend
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Are you familiar with logical fallacies and straw men and so fourth?

Well anyways. Nutrients don't regulate growth, or CAUSE a plant to bloom. Hormones themselves are made of nutrients the plant assimilated! K is even needed to translocate those nutrients and water to new growth and blooms. It doesn't stimulate (activate) flowering in the plants... but it sure as hell is required as the plant grows and especially as it blooms. Nitrogen is needed too sure, only not so much as harvest approaches. In Cannabis bloom is activated, in normal strains, by hormones that are influenced by photoperiod. There should be no problem getting Cannabis to bloom, it just needs a longer dark period! So no, in Cannabis, the absence of flowers will not be corrected via an application of potassium... it will be corrected via LONGER DARKNESS.
 
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Wetdog

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Villane said:
The guy who posted said to boil the banana peels in water, and that's how your supposedly extract the K. But, I just ended up getting Dr. Earth Seaweed concentrate xD.
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That or kelp meal, easy peasy.

The nanner peels go in the worm bin, let them​ do the work.

Wet
 
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