All the current or soon to be current laws. Whats new with weed in CO?

[thepaintedchef]

Many people order seeds to the states. Attitude has it on their site that "they are novelties for collection purposes only" I just had s buddy out in Oregon send me some seeds got here no problem. Planted three of them five days ago and I already have all three above soil.

 

[thepaintedchef]

Every chance I get I talk to people about the fallacies the gov has shed upon the holy herb. As a weednerd it is part of my duty to spread awareness to the fact that we have allowed the gov to make pot look like the worst drug while they peddle drugs daily responsible for the death of millions. I've also done lots of grass roots type work to help get Colorado to where we are today.

 

[420circuit]

There seems to be confusion regarding the legal situation with seeds. Does anyone know where CO law is regarding the sale of seeds?

 

[lxtrvn]

Can see making a "pilgrimage" to CO from the east coast if they ever do that and make them available to tourists.

Well, we do have seeds and clones in abundance here, but most are not worth even looking at. However, the weed is mostly all ridiculously high in quality, unless you ask for swag. The sale is still not permissible to non medical people though, since they have yet to finalize recreational law regarding sales. The thing is though, we all can have a few plants of out own, so weed is plentiful for non-medical residents. The good genetics are highly stashed and guarded, so the people with the good clones aren't sharing often. I think if you came with a good atitude and some smoke of your own to share, some one might probably give you a clone or two if you asked. Apparently It is legal to give shit away all day. Just no cash or trades can occur. I live in a small shit hole of a town, but Denver and Colorado Springs are full of capable people who grow.

 

[thepaintedchef]

I know people willing to share the good genetics. Just cause you live in a small town doesn't mean you gotta comprise. Take s look into irie genetics on face book. He's killin it and is down to share. Plus his shirts are dope. Colorado love.

 

[Jus Naturale]

Emergency Retail Rules:

http://www.colorado.gov/cs/Satellite?blobcol=urldata&blobheader=application%2Fpdf&blobkey=id&blobtable=MungoBlobs&blobwhere=1251857416241&ssbinary=true

More onerous than necessary, but not surprising.

 

[Jus Naturale]

Noticed a couple things:

1) No deliveries
2) Non-Colorado residents can only buy a quarter ounce at a time, but Colorado residents can buy up to an ounce
3) No non-weed give-aways or sales of tobacco or alcohol. This means you can't buy a blunt wrap, but apparently can buy papers.
4) No onsite consumption
5) Commercial outdoor grows are permitted if/when all other requirements are met (such as proper locks, security cameras, etc.)

Honestly, you'd think they were regulating a harmful drug and not a benign plant! Oh well, change takes time, I guess.

 

[420circuit]

Retail Marijuana Cultivation Facility
License
–
$2,750.00

So if you want to grow for a retail store you will need a license, but will not be able to get one for a while, and it will cost $2750 per year, plus the cost of compliance with regs and taxes. Not reasonable. The cops/courts and jails will still be in business.

 

[TruenoAE86coupe]

plus a $5000 application fee. So just in initial fees you will have $7,750 to apply for the right to grow, sell or test.

 

[420circuit]

So this is how it happens. Only the big players will be able to afford to participate and the small growers will be shut out.

 

[Jus Naturale]

So this is how it happens. Only the big players will be able to afford to participate and the small growers will be shut out.

Yup, and that's how the regulators want it. It's easier to watch a few rich spots than it is to watch a bunch of small growers and vendors. Since banks aren't lending due to federal restrictions, that means you've either got tens of thousands to invest in your pocket already, or have a rich, Colorado resident friend willing to invest in you. I'm sure it's only a matter of time before there is a challenge to the constitutionality. What was supposed to treat weed like alcohol treats it like a prescription medication.

Though I do have to say that I find the permissiveness related to past marijuana possession convictions very refreshing. It shows that the old sigmas associated with weed truly are disappearing. We don't have to hide like criminals anymore., and I love it.

Happy Independence Day!

 

[420circuit]

Not clear how the rules will work for people who grow recreational plants for their friends. If my friend cannot grow in his apartment I am willing to care for his 6 plants at my residence, but he will need to chip in toward the electric bill and nutes. Reimbursement not remuneration. Is this legal?

 

[theRambler]

I'm just going to think out loud here for a moment:
Unless you have a separate power meter for your friend's portion of the grow. Say something like this:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000RGF29Q?ie=UTF8&tag=dddnc-20&linkCode=as2&camp=1789&creative=390957&creativeASIN=B000RGF29Q
You could only figure out a rough cost to produce for him/her. As long as he is only paying you for what it cost to grow, I would imagine you could argue that its within the law. Maybe you already have a number figured out, and you know what is costs you to produce a plant.

Be sure to figure out how much additional time it takes for you to grow his plants. I don't know about you but my time is expensive. However, none of this matters unless you have to go to court. If you do and you can show that you were charging your friend for the cost to grow and not the cost +, I don't see how you are breaking the law.

I can tell you that I do not give away medicine to adults over 21 for nothing, nor does anyone expect that except people that think power and time is free. It would have made way more since to have people grow outdoors without all the security hassles.
The law and anyone who believes that this would happen is ignorant.

Just like Jus Naturale said above, it is being treated like a prescription med. Personally, I am surprised that we can grow our own. Many of the other states are not allowing that. There is no way that the state legislature and politicians are going to give cannabis the same leeway as alcohol. Cannabis is just not widely accepted enough right now. Not many folks are willing to use Google or do any research of any kind because they still will not risk their political career. Even though we have over 50% of the population in the US ready to legalize, there are maybe a handful of politicians willing to get behind it, even though full legalization makes sense on so many levels.

The type of remuneration you receive is between you and your friend.
End rant

 

[Jus Naturale]

I think the Rambler hit the nail on the head.

I've been going through the statutes and regs, and haven't found anything explicitly prohibiting having a friend help out with the bills associated with growing for him or her, but the language is vague enough that the wrong cop and wrong prosecutor could do some significant damage. As Rambler said, keep copious notes and paper to cover your ass, but otherwise, you're not clearly violating any laws by growing someone else's plants. Honestly, you could likely factor in payment for yourself of an hourly wage, so long as the paperwork backs it up and the rate is reasonable. Of course, this is just my two cents, without warranty either expressed or implied.

 

[BadAndy]

Yup, and that's how the regulators want it. It's easier to watch a few rich spots than it is to watch a bunch of small growers and vendors. Since banks aren't lending due to federal restrictions, that means you've either got tens of thousands to invest in your pocket already, or have a rich, Colorado resident friend willing to invest in you. I'm sure it's only a matter of time before there is a challenge to the constitutionality. What was supposed to treat weed like alcohol treats it like a prescription medication.

Though I do have to say that I find the permissiveness related to past marijuana possession convictions very refreshing. It shows that the old sigmas associated with weed truly are disappearing. We don't have to hide like criminals anymore., and I love it.

Happy Independence Day!

Actually some are trying to get banking introduced into the MMJ and Rec. bussiness:
Colorado democrat congressman Ed Perlmutter today introduced a bill that would allow banks to carry the accounts of medical marijuana and state-legal recreational marijuana businesses.Because marijuana is illegal in all forms at the federal level, banks insured by the federal government have been reluctant to do business with marijuana dispensaries, even though the pot shops are legal at the state level. That has left hundreds of legal marijuana-related businesses across the country operating on a cash-only basis or hiding the true nature of their business from bankers.
"As a small business owner, I can't imagine trying to operate a legitimate business without access to the banking system," said Washington Rep. Denny Heck, the bill's co-sponsor and founder of two education/training program companies. "Forcing legitimate businesses to operate on a cash-only basis without bank accounts is an invitation for robbery, tax evasion and organized crime. With twenty-one states and D.C. now allowing for some form of legal adult marijuana usage, federal law needs to be updated to reflect the reality of the situation in the states."
Full stroy here:http://www.tokeofthetown.com/2013/07/federal_marijuana_banking_bill_introduced_with_bip.php

 

[george xxx]

There is evidence that cannabis cures cancer. Holy crap, what is wrong with the world that does not celebrate this and investigate the evidence to find out if this is what we have been looking for?

Perhaps your education is lacking true U.S. economics. It is not as profitable as current treatment practices. Over the past 5 years many billions of dollars have been poured into Tomo Radiation treatment facilities. There will be little interest in anything else from the medical community until those investments show a profit.

Those who have invested billions in radiation will spend a few billion more to prevent cures from happening.

If you have cancer as I have you see the economic impact from a different light. I once had very good health insurance. No test or treatment was ever too much. In 2008 Cigna paid just over $250,000 for surgery and treatment. If we fast forward to today, I am now into medicare and anything beyond blood tests and glorified Aspirin is too much to ask for. People who have medicare are like people with cannabis in that they are relatively useless compared to what insurance will pay modern medicine.
My radiation was $1,700 per day for 7 weeks Chemo was $2500 per week for 6 months. How much is a cannabis user worth? When you look at it like this you are just another looser with a pipe dream. Wall street has enough money to keep you suppressed for many years to come.

 

[Jus Naturale]

Perhaps your education is lacking true U.S. economics. It is not as profitable as current treatment practices. Over the past 5 years many billions of dollars have been poured into Tomo Radiation treatment facilities. There will be little interest in anything else from the medical community until those investments show a profit.

Those who have invested billions in radiation will spend a few billion more to prevent cures from happening.

If you have cancer as I have you see the economic impact from a different light. I once had very good health insurance. No test or treatment was ever too much. In 2008 Cigna paid just over $250,000 for surgery and treatment. If we fast forward to today, I am now into medicare and anything beyond blood tests and glorified Aspirin is too much to ask for. People who have medicare are like people with cannabis in that they are relatively useless compared to what insurance will pay modern medicine.
My radiation was $1,700 per day for 7 weeks Chemo was $2500 per week for 6 months. How much is a cannabis user worth? When you look at it like this you are just another looser with a pipe dream. Wall street has enough money to keep you suppressed for many years to come.

And this, my friends, is why Citizens United MUST be overturned as soon as possible! Regardless of your political leanings, the longer we allow corporations to speak with their dollars, the more damage will be done to the tenuous democracy we have.

Write your reps!
http://www.house.gov/representatives/find/
http://www.senate.gov/general/contact_information/senators_cfm.cfm?State=CO

 

[Jus Naturale]

Actually some are trying to get banking introduced into the MMJ and Rec. bussiness:
Colorado democrat congressman Ed Perlmutter today introduced a bill that would allow banks to carry the accounts of medical marijuana and state-legal recreational marijuana businesses.Because marijuana is illegal in all forms at the federal level, banks insured by the federal government have been reluctant to do business with marijuana dispensaries, even though the pot shops are legal at the state level. That has left hundreds of legal marijuana-related businesses across the country operating on a cash-only basis or hiding the true nature of their business from bankers.
"As a small business owner, I can't imagine trying to operate a legitimate business without access to the banking system," said Washington Rep. Denny Heck, the bill's co-sponsor and founder of two education/training program companies. "Forcing legitimate businesses to operate on a cash-only basis without bank accounts is an invitation for robbery, tax evasion and organized crime. With twenty-one states and D.C. now allowing for some form of legal adult marijuana usage, federal law needs to be updated to reflect the reality of the situation in the states."
Full stroy here:http://www.tokeofthetown.com/2013/07/federal_marijuana_banking_bill_introduced_with_bip.php

Definitely a step in the right direction, but personally I'd rather see the feds focus on full-blown federal legalization. Anyway, cheers to the good guys!

The entire bill is pretty short, and worth a quick read-through: http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/113/hr2652/text

Cheers!

 

[Osburn]

And this, my friends, is why Citizens United MUST be overturned as soon as possible! Regardless of your political leanings, the longer we allow corporations to speak with their dollars, the more damage will be done to the tenuous democracy we have.

Write your reps!
http://www.house.gov/representatives/find/
http://www.senate.gov/general/contact_information/senators_cfm.cfm?State=CO

So it's OK for labor unions to speak with their dollars, but it's not OK for corporations to speak with their dollars? That doesn't sound very democratic to me. Writing your reps won't overturn Citizens United. You'll have to wait until some supreme court justices retire or take the big dirt nap.

 

[Osburn]

I think the Rambler hit the nail on the head.

I've been going through the statutes and regs, and haven't found anything explicitly prohibiting having a friend help out with the bills associated with growing for him or her, but the language is vague enough that the wrong cop and wrong prosecutor could do some significant damage. As Rambler said, keep copious notes and paper to cover your ass, but otherwise, you're not clearly violating any laws by growing someone else's plants. Honestly, you could likely factor in payment for yourself of an hourly wage, so long as the paperwork backs it up and the rate is reasonable. Of course, this is just my two cents, without warranty either expressed or implied.

The key word is "remuneration". According to 64, you could help a friend grow his plants at your house, but you cannot be remunerated, which means being reimbursed or compensated. Your friend paying bills associated with helping him grow would be considered as a form of reimbursement. Also, the marihuana produced from your friend's plants would have to be stored at your house and he could not legally possess more than one ounce of it at any given time.