USA - Probably the most ****ed up country on earth

Highlowazupkush

Highlowazupkush

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you talking about me?...... racerboy?


skunkd0c said:
it would be nice to hear something positive from you for a change
all the doom and gloom is very repetitive
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I never intended to repeat what I said, I only said it once but then those two guys from the doomy and gloomy country started causing a riot, and then well, you know.....

Positive things? there are tons of positive things. Though I can't be bothered right now to type too many of them out.

People are positive everywhere you go (obviously) Mainly in Europe, people have slightly more advanced attitudes and opinions to life (slightly) that means that they're basically more mature, more realistic, more of many things.
The country side in most countries is beautiful (especially good for getting high), Big ugly cities (or even small cities) aren't really a nice place to be when you wanna smoke a blunt, not for me anyway.

basically, to describe the distinguishing positive attributes of one country could imply that other countries do not share those attributes, and thus that could be perceived as being negative. Basically life is somewhat the same everywhere you go.
people wanna live their lives, get high, drink beer, drive cars and do stuff.


echelon1k1 said:
don't have to quote you, the proof is in all the stupid videos you post
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Sure it is, because of course all of the video`s that I post are a 100% representation of the person that I am. Like duh!.. I mean, If I posted a hitler video, that would (according to you) obviously mean that I aspire to be a mass murderer who wishes to commit genocide in order to improve the human race. You're very clever you are ya aussie guy! So clever.
 
Doer

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tokeprep said:
Except there is a government, and it is not perfectly or truly representative of the people. Congressional elections have relatively low turnout of eligible voters, so our government is actually elected by a fraction of the people. Because of political games and gerrymandering, congressional districts have been carved up into bizarre patterns in order to keep certain people in office. Billions of dollars, countless man hours, and volumes of psychological research are deployed every election cycle to mislead, confuse, and distract people from facts, truth, and reality. The result is not a government built from the enlightened consideration of all the citizens of the United States, who are thus accountable for the actions of that government, which is what your idealistic vision of democracy presumes.

I think people generally recognize that populations are apathetic and subject to manipulation. I certainly don't think the Russian government is representative of the Russian people; Putin has kept himself in power by jailing his opponents, using state resources for his campaign efforts, and rebuilding the authoritarian structure of the Soviet state. The fact that they've permitted Putin to behave in that manner should not be construed as approval for his actions

Formally, I'll agree that apathy is approval, because choosing not to act suggests indifference. Substantively, apathy is not approval, because people tend to think they have excellent reasons for being indifferent. For example, I know people who don't vote because they say they don't understand the issues at all. In some cases, I'm very happy these people aren't voting, because I know they would be sheep. Regardless, you cannot say they approve of something they never pretended to understand in the first place.
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You say this like it is a bad thing. It is actually what it is all about. In the entire world history this is the most coveted.

Just leave me alone.

Do you realize the Trillions we spend to protect the 9th Amendemt so not one is FORCED to care or even pretend. Unique.

You finally get a country where people can have all the luxuries they desire but never watch a day of TV, not give a single shit about the rest of us, never interact with WE in a governance sense and be almost totally FREE.

This is the MAIN DEAL. Elysium Fields and peace on our land for all that just want to live an un-molested life.

That is the American Way. And we kill for your right to not vote, and not give a shit at all.
 
echelon1k1

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Highlowazupkush said:
They report news, then they add their own opinions. The news is not for impressionable children, its for grown ups who're able to distinguish between opinion and the story that has actually been reported
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I don't know where some of your inferences come from but thankyou for proving a point...

Highlowazupkush said:
Sure it is, because of course all of the video`s that I post are a 100% representation of the person that I am. Like duh!.. I mean, If I posted a hitler video, that would (according to you) obviously mean that I aspire to be a mass murderer who wishes to commit genocide in order to improve the human race. You're very clever you are ya aussie guy! So clever.
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skunkd0c

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Highlowazupkush said:
you talking about me?...... racerboy?





I never intended to repeat what I said, I only said it once but then those two guys from the doomy and gloomy country started causing a riot, and then well, you know.....

Positive things? there are tons of positive things. Though I can't be bothered right now to type too many of them out.

People are positive everywhere you go (obviously) Mainly in Europe, people have slightly more advanced attitudes and opinions to life (slightly) that means that they're basically more mature, more realistic, more of many things.
The country side in most countries is beautiful (especially good for getting high), Big ugly cities (or even small cities) aren't really a nice place to be when you wanna smoke a blunt, not for me anyway.

basically, to describe the distinguishing positive attributes of one country could imply that other countries do not share those attributes, and thus that could be perceived as being negative. Basically life is somewhat the same everywhere you go.
people wanna live their lives, get high, drink beer, drive cars and do stuff.





Sure it is, because of course all of the video`s that I post are a 100% representation of the person that I am. Like duh!.. I mean, If I posted a hitler video, that would (according to you) obviously mean that I aspire to be a mass murderer who wishes to commit genocide in order to improve the human race. You're very clever you are ya aussie guy! So clever.
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well this is a good start, think positive !
 
Highlowazupkush

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Hey Hey hey now, It's not like I am a negative person. Echelon and the cockoftwo just dragged on the previous negativity of the subject through every thread that I posted in.
 
echelon1k1

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Highlowazupkush said:
Hey Hey hey now, It's not like I am a negative person. Echelon and the cockoftwo just dragged on the previous negativity of the subject through every thread that I posted in.
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Again we back to the concept of opinion vs fact. While you claim to be well versed in differentiating between the two you don't seem to be able to demonstrate it very well...

And again with the hypocrisy... Check out the title of this thread for negativity...
 
Highlowazupkush

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Echelon, this is the politics forum, Just an FYI ;)

"Fucked up" is just the most versatile term that I could recall from my hindered vocabulary (as you said after all, my mother was a gyspy crack whore, was she not? according to you!) and i think it is very fitting.
Sending American troops to die over some oil and land is pretty fucked up considering that they were all lied to and made to believe that they were actually fighting for their country.

And that's only the start!
 
echelon1k1

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Highlowazupkush said:
Echelon, this is the politics forum, Just an FYI ;)

"Fucked up" is just the most versatile term that I could recall from my hindered vocabulary (as you said after all, my mother was a gyspy crack whore, was she not? according to you!) and i think it is very fitting.
Sending American troops to die over some oil and land is pretty fucked up considering that they were all lied to and made to believe that they were actually fighting for their country.

And that's only the start!
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What land did the US take? While oil was a major factor in the decision to go to Iraq and an pipeline in Afghanistan, it's was not the only factors. Also you should differentiate between the people that send troops to war and the people that actually fight the wars. they are not one in the same...
 
Highlowazupkush

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echelon1k1 said:
What land did the US take? While oil was a major factor in the decision to go to Iraq and an pipeline in Afghanistan, it's was not the only factors. Also you should differentiate between the people that send troops to war and the people that actually fight the wars. they are not one in the same...
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What are you trying to say Eche? that you disagree with me that the USA is on a long winding road of degeneration?

A side question.... Do you think that USA is amongst the top of the worlds countries in terms of overall government moral performance?
 
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tokeprep

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Highlowazupkush said:
They report news, then they add their own opinions. The news is not for impressionable children, its for grown ups who're able to distinguish between opinion and the story that has actually been reported. She is allowed to use as much hyperbole as she wants, because hyperbole doesn't change facts.
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The purpose is to deliver the opinion, not the facts. This program is marketed as a purveyor of truth, not as a newscast.

You're full of shit, because, do you know why? How does that old saying go "If you're not doing anything wrong, then you've got nothing to hide". Right?

It's not like the government should be overly worried about their personal privacy, they need to be more worried about doing their job correctly and to allow a large degree of transparency. Of course there will always be secrets, but unless you're doing something VERY bad, then you will most likely not worry too much if the secret is exposed. Terrorism? Instability? what fucking secret do you think will make people want to turn into terrorists? because the way that I see it, the fucking government shouldn't be fucking doing any thing that is so wrong that people will want to blow them the fuck up, get that into your head you overly patriotic yank, jeez, how brainwashed are you?

But go ahead, tell us all what YOU think is something that is ok by your standards for any government to keep secret from the people, which, if found out by the people, would cause people to be so angry that they will want to blow the government up.
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I understand that you would like for the world to be simple, but your desire counts for nothing. In reality, transparency and truth can be the enemy of peace and stability. Welcome to politics.

How about videos of American soldiers shooting at or blowing up civilians, whether intentionally or accidentally? When they were secret, only people in the government knew about them; when they were played 1,000 times on Aljazeera, you don't think anyone was incited? You don't think there were any consequences? No one else died?

The people who were killed in the videos are already dead and there's nothing that can be done about that. The reason to keep the videos secret was to prevent them from being used to encourage even more violence and hatred.
 
echelon1k1

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tokeprep said:
The reason to keep the videos secret was to prevent them from being used to encourage even more violence and hatred.
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No, it was to cover up war crimes. Don't give me this B/S about inciting more violence as US policies have created a sectarian cesspool of wanton violence while supporting the very terrorist groups we've spent the last decade trying to kill.
 
Highlowazupkush

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tokeprep said:
The purpose is to deliver the opinion, not the facts. This program is marketed as a purveyor of truth, not as a newscast.



I understand that you would like for the world to be simple, but your desire counts for nothing. In reality, transparency and truth can be the enemy of peace and stability. Welcome to politics.

How about videos of American soldiers shooting at or blowing up civilians, whether intentionally or accidentally? When they were secret, only people in the government knew about them; when they were played 1,000 times on Aljazeera, you don't think anyone was incited? You don't think there were any consequences? No one else died?

The people who were killed in the videos are already dead and there's nothing that can be done about that. The reason to keep the videos secret was to prevent them from being used to encourage even more violence and hatred.
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They deliver opinions? why is that such a bad thing? Isn't it better that way than to just deliver the facts in plain-old stone-cold fashion? I think it is, especially considering that they typically hold good opinions. Unless you do not agree that it is savage for a police man to shoot and kill a dog who was baring teeth at him because they had apprehended his owner for doing practically nothing. They shot the dog when all they needed to do was let the owner go and make him control the dog.

There's no winning this argument for me because you are biased and you clearly stand by your country because you're brainwashed. But I am not. I would protest against my own government in a heart beat if they committed atrocities like the US gov does.
 
echelon1k1

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Highlowazupkush said:
What are you trying to say Eche? that you disagree with me that the USA is on a long winding road of degeneration?

A side question.... Do you think that USA is amongst the top of the worlds countries in terms of overall government moral performance?
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I never implied that, just pointing out the huge distinction between the people that declare war and the people that actually go and fight these wars...

You're always breaking things down into the most easily digestible and simplistic form, while the world is far more complicated than your young mind comprehends.

I would hope this is a fad, but alas the youth today don't seem to be the most motivated bunch...

Morally the US government is corrupted. That is, for the most part, a given. I would not say that extends to the vast majority of citizens though.

Iraq didn't need any action apart from a US backed coup, IMO we should've gone to Pakistan and Saudi Arabia, either way would've probably ended up in Afghanistan.

Again what land did the US take?
 
cannabineer

cannabineer

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Highlowazupkush said:
What are you trying to say Eche? that you disagree with me that the USA is on a long winding road of degeneration?

A side question.... Do you think that USA is amongst the top of the worlds countries in terms of overall government moral performance?
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What is the measure of this, and who can perform it? cn
 
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