NOT GUILTY ...zimmermen

[justugh]

yes they have 2 methods

one the ppl testifing were told nothing but the facts no answering in my personal thoughts ...if they do they are in contempt of court and taken to jail for 30 days ............this would have shut the cop up becuase once this charge was on the reacord his word in court could be ?ed by a stong enough lawyer this would wreck his carrer and he would not risk it

two .........the judge had all that stuff preveiwed and ojbections and al that arguring before the jury sawl the cop talk and that would have been shut down becuase she was on top of all that ......except that with the 10 hours end of day she did not have time to rule it was timed ............hence the lawyers get paied that amount of money they do for knowing the loopholes and tricks /tatics to gain freedom for a truly evil man ( if i was down there i sawl him i shoot right there i know he shoots to kill and he needs no reason got away with it ) and now i will too but mine is real got away with it ........they never stop at one

 

[NietzscheKeen]

There's really no way the verdict could have been anything else IMO.

From an objective point of view, yes. Anyone that disagrees is either confused about the evidence, doesn't understand the law, doesn't care about true justice, doesn't know how a court actually functions or is basing their decision on emotion alone.

 

[ShazMo09]

Can someone give me a rundown on what happened? I tried searching for it on google but all I could find was shit about the verdict not the actual case...

So this bloke shot and killed a unarmed black teenager and was found not guilty of murder! What circumstances made him shoot in the first place?

 

[justugh]

this middle age guy had a gun ....his neighbor gets robbed ......he acts as neighbor cop..........later on(weeks or months) he is driving in his car and see a 17 year old black kid walking down betoween houses .......so he calls the cops ....cops tell him unit is on the way and they tell him not to fallow the person.....he gets out fallows him (this is in 2 mins or so) a fight breaks out the 17 year old is dead with skittles and a soda on him shot with a hollow point tho the heart

the guy said the kid attacked him and had to shoot in self defence .........there was a neightbor on the phone with 911 ( so was reacorded) and u hear the end of the fight someone yelling help help help a gun shot then nothing ..................the cops are there with in 20 30 secs of this the old guys gives him self up and this case starts

he said he was attacked by the teen and was in fear of his life and shot to save himself .....................the logic of the story and what u see of him and all the ppl the story does not add up ......the head cop looking at the case getting all the info during the court said in front of the jury i personaly would not have charged him.....the court breaks for night the next more the judge tells the jury to forget about that comment...several days later after about 24 32 something like that they come out with not guilty he was right to shoot the unarmed 17year

 

[justugh]

i personally think the guy got out fallowed him confronted him......... the teen was fuck u........ the guy pushed it with touching grabbing the kid......... fight started......... he sawl a chance and shot the kid getting his nut off

he was trained in the law how to use the weapon and even had 11shots in a 10 shot clip ......................he lied about knowing the law and about being trained on it .....since it was his word against a dead 17year old and the cop saying what he did he got off

 

[aknight3]

To me it doesn't
seem like either people are completely innocent. Just because the guy was 17
doesn't make him an innocent kid, I knew plenty of sketchy 17yo when I was
17. Not to mention his gang related material on his social networks, being out
late, and bein on peoples private property in a neighborhood he didn't live in.
Let's face it, black people are going to paint him up like a little angle who was
completelt pure of sin and never did anything and I highly doubt that's the
case. BUT at the same time Zimmerman, who's not a white guy, had no real
right to pursue him. Sure, he was the neighborhood watch but all he's suppose
to do is watch. And he initiated the confrontation by chasing him, which he
shouldn't of. The real questions boils down to was Zimmermans life in danger?
Just because the kid was 17 doesn't mean he couldn't get one up on
Zimmerman. I've seen some pretty big 15yo. He wasn't fighting a bag of skittles he was fighting a person who was on
top of him fighting him. If Martin had killed Zimmerman he would of
been tried as an adult. Also, being a big proponate of Federalism I
support these defense laws because they are the laws that Floridians
decided to inact. The governemt doesn't make the laws, the people vote
for them. Maybe this part of Florida has a crime problem and guns are
needed for protection. Either eay those the writen laws of that land and
until they change that's how it is.

i agree with much of this besides federalism, i think thats some of the worst shit in our history, there is a reason the founding fathers made 3 branches, the states etc, distribution of power helped combat corruption, notice how the federal govt is slowly taking over everything, its called a silent invasion IMO. but anyway.







hey lets not forgot zimmerman did call 911 or the cops multiple times (at least i beleive) so...




im not in favor of this one way or another, just playing devils advocated. i look at it with an objective eye. i dont agree or disagree


happy sunday all



peace to martins parents, no one should bury their child, love to his mom i hope she can get through. <3



ps. i personally enjoy how the state tried to be corrupt scum likethey usually are, there OWN IT director called them out on it, they tried to lie about it and got caught, IMO it just shows how dysfunctional our whole justice system really is. dysfunctional, dyslexic and CORRUPT. period, end of story guilty or not guilty, it doesnt change the fact that this case shined a big fat lie on how shit our justice system has become. lets hope it changes!



dont get your hopes up...

 

[cannabineer]

and a lead round will stop a person ..........it will even stop me (tasers and mace do not ) but the lead round will ......i might die i might live but u did not need to ensure the death of me

and again he pushed the whole thing by fallowting the kid when he was told stop .,..........

if i was in fl now u are scaring me i am in fear for my life u are dead did i do anything wrong ......................if they want to use this defence then make sure it is real not some bull story ............lier detector under truth serum if the CIA and NSA will use it then why the hell not no after effects in 48 hours no harm no foul

The bolded is simply not correct. Look up "stopping power"; it is always a multiple of "killing power". That is a basic fact of life when using projectile weapons. cn

 

[cannabineer]

i am just pissed becuase common sence ....basic logic screams this is a bad person and should be locked away
armed older man confronts unarmed younger man ..............if this was wild west he would have been hung for killing him becuase no weapon

what happend to the days men just beat the shit out of the other wth fist the shit settles ........u are pissed at each other few months then later getting drunk laughing about it

the valus coomon sence morals and just basic justice in this country is gone ...........u have money u get off .....u do not u go to jail

"Being a bad person" is not a triable crime. cn

 

[NietzscheKeen]

Can someone give me a rundown on what happened? I tried searching for it on google but all I could find was shit about the verdict not the actual case...

So this bloke shot and killed a unarmed black teenager and was found not guilty of murder! What circumstances made him shoot in the first place?

There had been thefts in the community in the recent past. GZ was the head of the neighborhood watch. GZ sees TM taking a short cut between some buildings. GZ doesn't know TM, thinks it's suspicious and that he might be a thief. GZ calls 911 to report a suspicious person and "follows" him to keep an eye on him. TM sees GZ following him and runs. GZ doesn't chase after him, but tries to keep an eye on him still. TM runs up on GZ and GZ asks him "what are you doing here?" At some point TM attacks GZ and is beating him up. At some point during the struggle, GZ is able to draw his gun and shoot TM in the chest. TM was on top of GZ slamming GZ's head into the sidewalk moments before.

It was a case of someone confronting a suspicious person and then getting attacked. In the state of Florida there is a stand your ground law or a castle law as opposed to most states that say you must run, hide, do whatever you can to get away before you are allowed to defend yourself. In florida, you are allowed to protect yourself and your property.

The trial was to determine if the shot was fired in self defense or not. Even the prosecutions witnesses helped the defenses case. It was very obvious that GZ was getting the crap beat out of him and fired a gun. He told someone to call 911 right afterwards. After looking at the evidence and hearing all the testimony from witnesses the jury decided beyond reasonable doubt that GZ did fire in self defense; thus the not guilty of murder verdict.

If you want a straight forward answer... this is it. All the other explanations you'll see are sodden with emotion, are full of their "expert" opinion, and use words meant to give a certain impression.

 

[UncleBuck]

TM runs up on GZ and GZ asks him "what are you doing here?" At some point TM attacks GZ and is beating him up. At some point during the struggle, GZ is able to draw his gun and shoot TM in the chest. TM was on top of GZ slamming GZ's head into the sidewalk moments before.

you were doing so well until this point.

no one knows if martin attacked zimmerman or the other way around, all we know is that martin ran and zimmerman followed. these were zimm's exact words:

"shit, he ran"

"are you following him?" - (dispatch)

"yeah"

after zimm hung up with dispatch, he says he was looking for an address. but two minutes passed, and he was within mere feet of an address, but he did not return to his car. in his own words to the detective, he kept looking for martin.

the final confrontation did not start as you say either. zimm himself said he walked up to martin. martin's friend who he was on the phone said she heard a conversation:

"why are you following me?" - martin

"whatt are you doing here?" - zimm

then she heard a scuffle break out, call drops.

at that point, a fight occurs, and various witnesses see either men on top at varying times.

zimmerman claims that after getting beaten like a defenseless rag doll for about a minute, he somehow was able to gain wrist control over martin, and despite being straddled by martin with his gun underneath him, somehow grabs the gun and fires one square in the heart, as if martin were somehow now defenseless and unable to exercise the superhuman fighting strength he had moments before.

zimm's injuries consisted of a bloody nose (not broken), and two scratches on his head, the largest being less than 2 cm. no one ever heard or saw him getting his head slammed on concrete, the injuries do not match up with a head slammed on concrete, there was no blood on the concrete, and all witnesses saw the fight happen in the grass. but that's not really important to the self defense claim, i just wanted to clear up nietzsche's inaccurate summary.

at least he got the first part right.

 

[echelon1k1]

Why didn't you testify for the prosecution? you seem so qualified...

 

[UncleBuck]

Why didn't you testify for the prosecution? you seem so qualified...

nice sig, weed thief!

LOLOLOLOLOL!

you got nothing.

 

[NoDrama]

i personally think the guy got out fallowed him confronted him......... the teen was fuck u........ the guy pushed it with touching grabbing the kid......... fight started......... he sawl a chance and shot the kid getting his nut off

he was trained in the law how to use the weapon and even had 11shots in a 10 shot clip ......................he lied about knowing the law and about being trained on it .....since it was his word against a dead 17year old and the cop saying what he did he got off

OMG you are just one more person who doesn't know a single fact about the case spouting off things as fact.
Zimmerman learned to shoot on the law? Really? I suppose it would come to some of a surprise to learn that Zimmerman was never once even for 1 second in any "Law Enforcement" Capacity. He was never in the police or FBI, or Sheriff or anything.
11 bullets in a 10 bullet magazine? Impossible, literally physically IMPOSSIBLE there dumb dumb.

 

[echelon1k1]

apparently you reading compensation has failed you?

LOL!

So you didn't admit to it on the thread you had deleted... Nonthiest asked the same question, you couldn't give him an honest answer either...

 

[NoDrama]

this middle age guy had a gun ....his neighbor gets robbed ......he acts as neighbor cop..........later on(weeks or months) he is driving in his car and see a 17 year old black kid walking down betoween houses .......so he calls the cops ....cops tell him unit is on the way and they tell him not to fallow the person.....he gets out fallows him (this is in 2 mins or so) a fight breaks out the 17 year old is dead with skittles and a soda on him shot with a hollow point tho the heart

the guy said the kid attacked him and had to shoot in self defence .........there was a neightbor on the phone with 911 ( so was reacorded) and u hear the end of the fight someone yelling help help help a gun shot then nothing ..................the cops are there with in 20 30 secs of this the old guys gives him self up and this case starts

he said he was attacked by the teen and was in fear of his life and shot to save himself .....................the logic of the story and what u see of him and all the ppl the story does not add up ......the head cop looking at the case getting all the info during the court said in front of the jury i personaly would not have charged him.....the court breaks for night the next more the judge tells the jury to forget about that comment...several days later after about 24 32 something like that they come out with not guilty he was right to shoot the unarmed 17year

29 is middle aged? An old dude?

You do know that only adults are allowed to be on this site don't you?

Only a pre adolescent would consider 29 as "old" or middle aged.

The police told him not to follow? Link to this please, fact is a person named barry who isn't on the police force and lives in his mother's basement is the one who suggested to GZ that he " didn't need to do that." Barry has as much authority over GZ as I do over you.

 

[BigNBushy]

well i was thinking

could federal law step in and hit him with a hate crime

No, even though it is a different charge, it stems from the same event. Res Judicada, double jeopardy and all that stuff. I dont understand why so many people feel you lose the right to defend yourself if you shoot to kill? I was always taught, dont pull the gun unless you intend to fire it, and if you fire it, aim for the chest, and pull the trigger more than once.

Treyvon got his Justice, Zimmerman gave it to him.... MONTHS AGO.

 

[NoDrama]

yes they have 2 methods

one the ppl testifing were told nothing but the facts no answering in my personal thoughts ...if they do they are in contempt of court and taken to jail for 30 days ............this would have shut the cop up becuase once this charge was on the reacord his word in court could be ?ed by a stong enough lawyer this would wreck his carrer and he would not risk it

two .........the judge had all that stuff preveiwed and ojbections and al that arguring before the jury sawl the cop talk and that would have been shut down becuase she was on top of all that ......except that with the 10 hours end of day she did not have time to rule it was timed ............hence the lawyers get paied that amount of money they do for knowing the loopholes and tricks /tatics to gain freedom for a truly evil man ( if i was down there i sawl him i shoot right there i know he shoots to kill and he needs no reason got away with it ) and now i will too but mine is real got away with it ........they never stop at one

If GZ was the evil man you say whose only purpose was to shoot this kid as much as possible. Why shoot only once? why not dump all 11 rounds out of his 10 round magazine into the kid to make for sure sure he was really dead dead? That be the true true.

PS your spelling is atrocious.

 

[Chronic Masterbator]

The state should of went with manslaughter charge. Not 2nd degree murder. Florida is weird I tell you.

 

[NoDrama]

The state should of went with manslaughter charge. Not 2nd degree murder. Florida is weird I tell you.

George Zimmerman, the man accused of murdering Trayvon Martin, was found not guilty of second-degree murder and manslaughter Saturday night.

 

[Chronic Masterbator]

Duh.... Instead of going for the murder wrap exclusively. They should of went with manslaughter exclusively. Either way I'm not choosing sides here. There will always be Zimmerman's story, Treyvon's story. Then the true STORY.

Based off the pictures Treyvon made of himself holding a pistol. At the age of 17 acting thuggish leads one to believe he might be a bit hot headed. Zimmerman is a idiot for being a vigilante loser. Following someone in the dark not heading what LEOs told him is asking for trouble.

It's a unfortunate event. Both Trey and Zimmerman failed to use common sense. The case is finished. Now let's move on....