USA - Probably the most ****ed up country on earth
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Mindmelted
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And you live in a fantasy world if you actually think WORLD PEACE is possible.
Rob Roy
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It is impossible to have world peace as long as there is any coercive government. To think otherwise is to believe in a fantasy. Peace.
Doer
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You just have this slap backwards. We must have govt and it must seem coercive to some. People are just too fucked up.
We need policing. This is a balanced system where no one gets all they want but everyone is free to chase that. It is no less than the Maya of Illusion that Buddha spoke of. Nothing has changed at all in 5000 years.
Governance happens because of the chaos of us hairless monkeys.
Rob Roy
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Government doesn't "seem" coercive. It IS coercive and often the cause of chaos.
"People are fucked up." So why would we want to let them rule over others ?
We need policing. Nope, we need responsibility. Authoritarian policing is arbitrary and lumps the assholes in with the responsible. Holding INDIVIDUALS responsible is sensible. Dictating what others must do if they are not harming anybody is coercive.
This is not a balanced system. It is skewed far far far towards authoritarian. A balanced system would be one where victimless crimes are not prosecuted by the apparatus.
Also, I'm not opposed to systems where the persons involved are all there via their own consent. In that sense I'm for some form of accountability and "governance" if you will. I said I opposed COERCIVE GOVERNMENT. Don't you?
Highlowazupkush
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You're kidding?
Doer
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That's the thing. Light bulb for you. We are not kidding.
Highlowazupkush
Member
yea well in that case, who cares what you think.
Doer
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I oppose applying labels when we don't know, really, what we are talking about.
You want the pie in the sky. Fine. You don't get it, you bitch. Fine. Self Rule.
People are fucked up and need governance (not a ruler) and policing because there is no tooth fairy. We cannot simple wish for responsibility when all the facts say, in whole, there isn't any.
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And I will submit, when the chips are down, you are not taking responsibility, as an American, but blaming your fellow citizens that stepped up to service, no matter what happened. They still stepped up. Self Goverance. Who else? A Pope? Been there. A King? Been there. Warlord? Been there. Gang? Vicious Father?
Since WE and I elected these folks fairly and openly, if you feel coerced into the long term experiment of self rule and the "good of the many," American Way, it is I myself who coerces you.
You are an actual anarchist, I guess, if you think a hierarchy will stand for no governance and "responsibility."
Doer
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Now you are catching on. I don't care what you think and I don't care if you think that no one cares what I think.
Get it?
Highlowazupkush
Member
Doers just brainwashed. Don't make fun of him guys.
I, no doubt get a whole lot more than you do. + I do care what others think.
I, no doubt get a whole lot more than you do. + I do care what others think.
Doer
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“Think you a little din can daunt mine ears?
Have I not in my time heard lions roar?
Have I not heard the sea, puffed up with winds,
Rage like an angry boar chafed with sweat?
Have I not heard great ordinance in the field,
And Heaven's artillery thunder in the skies?
Have I not in a pitched battle heard
Loud 'larums, neighing steeds, and trumpets' clang?
And do you tell me of a woman's tongue,
That gives not half so great a blow to hear
As will a chestnut in a farmer's fire?
Tush! tush! fear boys with bugs."
― William Shakespeare, The Taming of the Shrew
Wow something Doer posted that actually makes some sense. Great post man!!
This has nothing to do with what you posted, which was this: "car explodes before impact, no skid marks after a 60 degree turn... Grow up, do you not understand how this world works?" This is just more narrative for my explanation of what happened: he involved himself in something substantial, thought he was being investigated for some reason (perhaps because he knew he had done something wrong), and was certainly stressed the fuck out.
I don't think belligerents have any obligation to take on additional risks themselves in order to best minimize collateral damage in combat operations. Can you point me to one? Collateral damage is unfortunate, but it is certainly not an "atrocity," and certainly not a war crime.
The US, or US-funded and supported agents?
Rob Roy
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Who else should rule? You. You should not have a ruler, you should own yourself. Me. I should not have a ruler, I DON'T have a ruler. I own myself or try to. If you want a ruler, good for you, don't impose that ruler on me and we are fine.
Of course I'm taking responsibility, it is when people follow arbitrary rules and their OBEDIENCE to the rules becomes more important than evaluating the end goal of the rule that people are shirking personal responsibility.
If voting could change anything, it would quickly be made illegal. Your vote is for the most part a losing proposition. The two party system is designed to make you think you have a choice.
US Government backed and supported. Who do you think buys all the weapons for Al Qaeda?
Doer
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You just described reality without giving any alternative. You need governance, not a ruler. Why you go there? I need governance, obviously.
WE govern each other. It is no fun. Good people killed every day.
You don't like it. But, it is the best there is. And you know your ideas can't work. We have discussed it.
It cannot withstand the first wiff of empathy. It simply won't work. That is why we are here. We learn. We abandoned a lot that the world still suffers from. We adapt. We improve the infrastructure, and we can improved ourselves, more or less.
Not everyone can fend for themselves and no one will agree to when the road should be fixed vs the library painted.
We vote.
Unfortunately, you can't cast you mind back to the beginning of this or you would appreciate it more. It almost didn't happen well, a bunch of times and it is very likely not to last much longer. There is no up from here. Just fantasy world.
Can you even describe anything else but this personal utopia, mind set, which you have already, by the way? You just can't push it on the world. So, you are in the trap of the Intellectuals.
Hold the tokes longer? That's what I do.
