People who call themselves "hunters"

sunni

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The key category in the discussion of human diet is omnivores, which are defined as generalized feeders, with neither carnivore nor herbivore specializations for acquiring or processing food, and who are capable of consuming and do consume both animal protein and vegetation. They are basically *opportunistic* feeders (survive by eating what is available) with more generalized anatomical and physiological traits, especially the dentition (teeth). All the available evidence indicates that the natural human diet is omnivorous and would include meat. We are not, however, required to consume animal protein. We have a choice. from vrg.org by John McArdle, Ph.D.
some people choose to eat meat and others dont, but neither should be attacked for what they choose, veganism is growing rapidly and thats great but you get more bees with honey . vegans attacking others is not the way of change, and it should be that if someone wants information they are not scrutinized for eating meat or choosing that as their diet.
 

NietzscheKeen

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You don't need scientific sources to know that humans have ZERO natural carnivorous characteristics or instincts. If we do, what are they?
I beg to differ... give me a few minutes (or hours, depending on how I'm feeling) and I will try to have some journal articles for you. There is evidence that early humans had a diet of which seafood was a large percentage. Assuming that humans have no carnivorous instincts, we must ask the question "when did we lose them?" Do you believe we must distinguish between "modern" humans and "early" humans? The native Americans and Inuit, we know for a fact, ate meat. Would you suggest that it is modern society that breeds this need to eat meat? If we DID have carnivorous instincts what would they be like and how would they manifest themselves; would we be any different than we are now? Does the lack of instinct necessarily mean we should not eat meat?
 

sunni

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also anyone can bring in any research they want that they choose to bring it will be what they believe and will be 1 sided ,
theres plenty of research saying both is the better. its really just down to choice imho
 

jtprin

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I beg to differ... give me a few minutes (or hours, depending on how I'm feeling) and I will try to have some journal articles for you. There is evidence that early humans had a diet of which seafood was a large percentage. Assuming that humans have no carnivorous instincts, we must ask the question "when did we lose them?" Do you believe we must distinguish between "modern" humans and "early" humans? The native Americans and Inuit, we know for a fact, ate meat. Would you suggest that it is modern society that breeds this need to eat meat? If we DID have carnivorous instincts what would they be like and how would they manifest themselves; would we be any different than we are now? Does the lack of instinct necessarily mean we should not eat meat?
Just because people ate meat doesn't mean they have carnivorous instincts. But I don't disagree, I just think the fact that humans are physiologically herbivores is in itself enough evidence.
 

Metasynth

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I love it when people take a "Me against the world" stance on something. It's like an egotistical experiment into the inner workings of a narcissist. Enjoy your over-inflated sense of self importance...I hope the last 140 posts have made you feel like a winner.
 

NietzscheKeen

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also anyone can bring in any research they want that they choose to bring it will be what they believe and will be 1 sided ,
theres plenty of research saying both is the better. its really just down to choice imho
Choice is the ultimate deciding factor and to each their own, but research can be objective. There is good research and crap research, you can look at which journal published the article, who the researcher was, how many times the article has been cited, any criticisms of said article, and subsequent replications of findings. Just because someone presents it doesn't mean it should be accepted, but even more so just because there is research stating the contrary does not mean that both are correct or that the findings are in any way moot.
 

april

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I myself don't really eat red meat...But I enjoy hunting and feeding my loved ones. No it's the thrill of the kill not gonna lie lol But How is slicing up a living growing carrot or yanking a shiny red apple from its branch any different...we murder veggies and fruit as soon as we pick them .....!!!
 

sunni

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Choice it the ultimate deciding factor and to each their own, but research can be objective. There is good research and crap research, you can look at which journal published the article, who the researcher was, how many times the article has been cited, any criticisms of said article, and subsequent replications of findings.
yes but still you will always choose to go with your side even if theres others proving you wrong. you want your biased information to prove your points, so that you can show em up and be right
 

sunni

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I myself don't really eat read meat...But I enjoy hunting and feeding my loved ones. No it's the thrill of the kill not gonna lie lol But How is slicing up a living growing carrot or yanking a shiny red apple from its branch any different...we murder veggies and fruit as soon as we pick them .....!!!
dont take this the wrong way because i am saying it lightly
but one doesnt scream and cry when you slice it up and murder it LOL
 

jtprin

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I am a vegan but don't eat tofu lol. I get a lot of my protein from goji berries, mulberries, hemp/chia/sunflower seeds, nuts, broccoli among other veggies, and organic vegan protein powders.
 

Winter Woman

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I agree on most, we CAN survive off meat.... for so long, just like you can survive off drinking soda and Gatorade instead of pure water for a long time... doesn't mean it's healthy. Apart from humans physiologically being herbivores (including cannabis :)), eating meat is much more unhealthy and unethical as well.
I love having my special brownies. I find as I get older I eat less and less meat, probably because I'm a better cook now.
 

sunni

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Just because they don't have mouths, doesn't mean they don't feel pain... jk
Plants don't have nervous systems as far as I know.
i seen a study i think something like they know when theyre being picked from their root system i dunno got bored half way through the study to be honest
 

jtprin

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I love it when people take a "Me against the world" stance on something. It's like an egotistical experiment into the inner workings of a narcissist. Enjoy your over-inflated sense of self importance...I hope the last 140 posts have made you feel like a winner.
Dude snap out of it, it's called debating. You think I forced all these people to reply? No, I just want to have a peaceful debate where people don't let their ego or current beliefs/habits blind them from other ideas and evidence. Marijuana is supposed to make you relax and more open-minded, why is there so much hate? I agree that I'm not a Saint either but I treat people how they treat me. I don't go out of my way to insult or make someone else feel bad, but if they attempt to do so on me, I have no problem coming right back at them. I believe in peace and harmony, which is part of why this thread was created in the first place.
 

guy incognito

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You don't need scientific sources to know that humans have ZERO natural carnivorous characteristics or instincts. If we do, what are they?
How do you make that determination then? There have been 100 billion humans. How can you possibly know all of their characteristics and instincts? Also how do you explain so many different human cultures spanning both time and the globe that have all eaten meat? Isn't that a carnivorous characteristic by definition?
 
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