Defoliation

[hexthat]

Isn't that shit bad to use after the first couple weeks of flowering though?

Edit :and generally used only if a plant is having health issues or immature compared to others the same age

I guess, idk its not like i sell my weed i smoke pounds of it and i dont think its bad for you

i highly doubt that all it is Vitamin B1 and NAA, it has multiple uses

 

[roseypeach]

Snowstorm and defoliation. Can't think of a better recipe for disaster.

The bud sites don't need light. They are not capable of photosynthesis. The leaves you just plucked do (did).

Man, some of you guys have this thing so ass backwards it's unbelievable.

I am still learning, so how about laying off with the insults

 

[skunkd0c]

The lighting sucks and my camera broke so these were taken with my cell phone, so sorry for the lack of detail.
I started Snowstorm today the last shot looks sort of like foxtailing, the foliage went nuts so that's when I decided to defoliate to try and get more light to the bud site.
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that's not looking too great is it
where do you think you went wrong ?

 

[roseypeach]

that's not looking too great is it
where do you think you went wrong ?

A combination of things really, too much nitrogen too late and not enough lights. A lot of the fan leaves were dying off, I thought it was because it was close to harvest but it wasn't. It started revegging when I put it outside early on and forgot to bring it back in for a couple of days.

 

[Situation420]

Abscisic acids only plays one role in your defoiliation technique, as a stress reliever. And maybe if you were breeding seeds along with your raping of plants you could make a connection.
Your explanation is simply you twisting something into something its not to fulfill your purpose or need.

This is how I know your ignorant. The role of Abscisic acid still isn't fully understood. What you showed me about Abscisic Acid was from a study done in 1992, LOL that was over 20 years ago! stop being such an ass I already explained how it slows down growth in more mature areas of the plant, allowing newer growth to occur at a higher rate on more mature areas of the plant. Also, the interactions absicisic acid has on phytohormones is far more complex than simply putting it into a list form like you are of just 6 points

That stress relief your talking about is when the plants are stressed by a lack of water uptake right? That is one thing that you got correct. There are so many other roles abscisic acid plays on plant growth besides the 6 you listed. Can you stop being a douche and just admit you are not that educated on the effects hormones have on plant growth, besides the "basics" UB talks about every no and then

 

[hyroot]

Nature of Abscisic Acid Abscisic acid is a single compound unlike the auxins, gibberellins, and cytokinins. It was called "abscisin II" originally because it was thought to play a major role in abscission of fruits. At about the same time another group was calling it "dormin" because they thought it had a major role in bud dormancy. The name abscisic acid (ABA) was coined by a compromise between the two groups. Though ABA generally is thought to play mostly inhibitory roles, it has many promoting functions as well(Arteca, 1996; Mauseth, 1991; Raven, 1992; Salisbury and Ross, 1992).

References

History of Abscisic Acid In 1963, abscisic acid was first identified and characterized by Frederick Addicott and his associates. They were studying compounds responsible for the abscission of fruits (cotton). Two compounds were isolated and called abscisin I and abscisin II. Abscisin II is presently called abscisic acid (ABA)(Addicot, 1963). Two other groups at about the same time discovered the same compound. One group headed by Philip Wareing was studying bud dormancy in woody plants. The other group led by Van Steveninck was studying abscission of flowers and fruits from lupine. Plant physiologists agreed to call the compound abscisic acid (Salisbury and Ross, 1992).

Biosynthesis and Metabolism ABA is a naturally occurring compound in plants. It is a sesquiterpenoid (15-carbon) which is partially produced via the mevalonic pathway in chloroplasts and other plastids. Because it is sythesized partially in the chloroplasts, it makes sense that biosynthesis primarily occurs in the leaves. The production of ABA is accentuated by stresses such as water loss and freezing temperatures. It is believed that biosynthesis occurs indirectly through the production of carotenoids. Carotenoids are pigments produced by the chloroplast which have 40 carbons. Breakdown of these carotenoids occurs by the following mechanism: Violaxanthin is a carotenoid which has forty carbons. It is isomerized and then split via an isomerase reaction followed by an oxidation reaction. One molecule of xanthonin is produced from one molecule of violaxanthonin and it is uncertain what happens to the remaining biproduct. The one molecule of xanthonin produced is unstable and spontaneously changed to ABA aldehyde. Further oxidation results in ABA. Activation of the molecule can occur by two methods. In the first method, an ABA-glucose ester can form by attachment of glucose to ABA. In the second method, oxidation of ABA can occur to form phaseic acid and dihyhdrophaseic acid. The transport of ABA can occur in both xylem and phloem tissues. It can also be translocated through paranchyma cells. The movement of abscisic acid in plants does not exhibit polarity like auxins. ABA is capable of moving both up and down the stem (Walton and Li, 1995; Salisbury and Ross).

Functions of Abscisic Acid The following are some of the phyysiological responses known to be associated with abscisic acid (Davies, 1995; Mauseth, 1991; Raven, 1992; Salisbury and Ross, 1992).

Stimulates the closure of stomata (water stress brings about an increase in ABA synthesis). Inhibits shoot growth but will not have as much affect on roots or may even promote growth of roots. Induces seeds to synthesize storage proteins. Inhibits the affect of gibberellins on stimulating de novo synthesis of a-amylase. Has some effect on induction and maintanance of dormancy. Induces gene transcription especially for proteinase inhibitors in response to wounding which may explain an apparent role in pathogen defense.

You are wrong sit. Absidic acid slows inhibits (slows or stops) growth...

 

[skunkd0c]

A combination of things really, too much nitrogen too late and not enough lights. A lot of the fan leaves were dying off, I thought it was because it was close to harvest but it wasn't. It started revegging when I put it outside early on and forgot to bring it back in for a couple of days.

yeh i was gonna say it looks re-veg sounds like she has had quite a lot to contend with

 

[Alexander Supertramp]

This is how I know your ignorant. The role of Abscisic acid still isn't fully understood. What you showed me about Abscisic Acid was from a study done in 1992, LOL that was over 20 years ago! stop being such an ass I already explained how it slows down growth in more mature areas of the plant, allowing newer growth to occur at a higher rate on more mature areas of the plant. Also, the interactions absicisic acid has on phytohormones is far more complex than simply putting it into a list form like you are of just 6 points

That stress relief your talking about is when the plants are stressed by a lack of water uptake right? That is one thing that you got correct. There are so many other roles abscisic acid plays on plant growth besides the 6 you listed. Can you stop being a douche and just admit you are not that educated on the effects hormones have on plant growth, besides the "basics" UB talks about every no and then

You can try and sell your take on it all you want. But I doubt ANYONE besides yourself is buying it. Like I said you are randomly connecting the dots creating a picture only you can recognize.

 

[roseypeach]

yeh i was gonna say it looks re-veg sounds like she has had quite a lot to contend with

She has
I've stopped all nutes except the Snowstorm.We'll see I guess.

 

[Mad Hamish]

I am still learning, so how about laying off with the insults

It's just how he talks. Think of him as an alien with tourettes and it looks a lot better. Like let's say I would say: "I don't think you should use chemical nutes", he'd say: Goddamn how you people haven't learned by now that you NEED your soil micro-organisms for proper chelation and you assholes are killing all the good bugs with your hillbilly voodoo *insert some scientific shit* so good luck with that".

Don't take it too personally, we all get it sometime. Especially if you mention you're learning still, he pounces, like a tiger in the night...

 

[Situation420]

Nature of Abscisic Acid Abscisic acid is a single compound unlike the auxins, gibberellins, and cytokinins. It was called "abscisin II" originally because it was thought to play a major role in abscission of fruits. At about the same time another group was calling it "dormin" because they thought it had a major role in bud dormancy. The name abscisic acid (ABA) was coined by a compromise between the two groups. Though ABA generally is thought to play mostly inhibitory roles, it has many promoting functions as well(Arteca, 1996; Mauseth, 1991; Raven, 1992; Salisbury and Ross, 1992).

References

You are wrong sit. Absidic acid slows inhibits (slows or stops) growth...

I never said abscisic acid directly contributes to plant growth, it regulates the hormones that do. That is what you guys are missing. It was also called abscisic acid because it was found in high concentrations of leaves that just fell of a plant or were "abscissed" therefore originally was thought to contribute to leaf drop . What do you think is happening when growth is inhibited somewhere in a plant? The hormone that balances that hormone triggers new growth in a different area of the plant. The ABA just controls hormonal responses in the plants. Thats what I was saying. I think you guys missed that or just dont understand. Even the fact that you provided hyroot partially explain this process.

 

[PJ Diaz]

Once upon a time, in a small village in India, lived six blind men. One day they heard excited talk about an elephant that had wandered in to the village.

Having no idea of what an elephant was, they went to satisfy their curiosity. The blind men stood around the elephant so they could touch and feel the animal.

The blind man who happened to be near the leg and felt it with his hands exclaimed that the elephant was certainly a pillar. The one who touched the tail disputed that and was emphatic that the elephant was a rope. The one who stroked the trunk could not agree as to him the elephant was a tree trunk. The one who touched the ear thought the others were clueless as the elephant was surely a huge fan. The man with his hands on the belly could not understand how anyone could mistake the wall he felt for anything other than a solid wall. And the sixth man feeling the tusk proclaimed the elephant was a pipe. No one could agree and they argued passionately, angrily.

An old man passing by asked what was going on. They all told him what they thought the elephant was and how the rest had to be wrong. The old man explained to them that they were all partially right. Just as we have arms, legs, trunk, face, the body of the elephant also has different parts. Each blind man had felt a different part of the body, not the whole body. The arguments stopped and the blind men went their way satisfied with the answer.

 

[Julius Caesar]

Don't let your buds become retarded!
[video=youtube;xYq7CuVpAeo]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xYq7CuVpAeo[/video]

 

[SchmokinOnTrees]

I agree with leaving your leaves on , but did you hear what said about it slowing the growth ? I think if you defoliate properly you could control the evenness of your plant canopy, say if you have height restrictions and want to slow down vertical growth the first week of flowering so the nodes glow closer together. But never remove leaves after week 2 starts of flowering unless you are cutting off overgrowth within the plant

 

[Situation420]

I agree with leaving your leaves on , but did you hear what said about it slowing the growth ? I think if you defoliate properly you could control the evenness of your plant canopy, say if you have height restrictions and want to slow down vertical growth the first week of flowering so the nodes glow closer together. But never remove leaves after week 2 starts of flowering unless you are cutting off overgrowth within the plant

Thats what im saying, there are times to defoliate and its beneficial, and times when it is not. It's not just black and white like they are trying to make it.

 

[Alexander Supertramp]

I agree with leaving your leaves on , but did you hear what said about it slowing the growth ? I think if you defoliate properly you could control the evenness of your plant canopy, say if you have height restrictions and want to slow down vertical growth the first week of flowering so the nodes glow closer together. But never remove leaves after week 2 starts of flowering unless you are cutting off overgrowth within the plant

Dormancy and retarding growth are two different things. Why would you want to make your plant go dormant? I read nothing in any of the studies on abscisic acid that say it retards growth. Again you are making connections that do not exist, just were you want them to be. Plus he claimed you could control the flow of auxims with defoliation which is also unfounded and complete BS. Dont be like some and fall under the magical spell of false analogies....

 

[Uncle Ben]

She has
I've stopped all nutes except the Snowstorm.We'll see I guess.

Do you have ANY leaves left? If so, it won't be long before they're gone.

Also, you said you used too much N, too late. This is the time when you should be using more N, like a 9-3-6, not some frickin' snake oil that contains massive amounts of K which will work against you buy inducing leaf necrosis. Learn some botany and get off the snake oil teats. They're only out to take your money, you boob.

What was the source for that N, what food? (IOW, aint buying it).

Now, a wise man would heed what I'm trying to TEACH. A fool just ignores my experience. (Remember, I told you so.)

I report, you decide,
UB

 

[Uncle Ben]

Defoliating is a sign of mental illness.

 

[Uncle Ben]

Don't let your buds become retarded!
[video=youtube;xYq7CuVpAeo]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xYq7CuVpAeo[/video]

That's mah buddy!

 

[Uncle Ben]

I am still learning, so how about laying off with the insults

Here's a clue, but please keep this discussion in this thread.
https://www.rollitup.org/advanced-marijuana-cultivation/151706-uncle-bens-topping-technique-get-242.html