Why a therapist cant help... and only you guys can. My inner ego.... my real reasons.

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My girlfriend is part of paradox 2. She sees everything she wants to see.... and when shes 99 percent sure... she doesnt cast doubt.

I came on here because i explained that thought to her....


In coherent.... reasonable... and a perfect way


She didnt get it


so I manipulated her into realizing she was wrong


and now my 8 year relationship is over.


Because i tried to tell her.... im paradox 2. So is she.... but im way worse.

She doesnt see that I can physically not manipulate....

because ive done it for so long.....


and its habit


there are people out there like me


what do i do when i cry wolf for 22 years



do some acid






and realize.....



that im wrong when im so close to being right


i cant infer what they are saying... based off anything.... because theres always a chance



you dont know what m thinking



Gravity cant be proven.... just lke your thoughts cant.... even if i manipulate you into thinking them... and im right 99 percent of the time....


what if im wrong?



And why is it.... i cant tell anyone what im really thinking? Physically. Cannot.

Even when I know im wrong for thinking it?

Not even on this forum.....




And what do I say to get her back?



This is my perspective:

I told her my inner ego.... she rejected me.


What I think her perspective is:

She thought i just wanted to be right?

or

She thought I was talking about the wrong thing?




You guys sat there for ages... telling me I was wrong.... but you never got to the point.


Nor did my girl of 8 years... she just got mad and called me dumb.



I'm trying to show her.... that that's how I feel when I'm right.


Thats how I feel when I think I'm right.



Why doesnt she get that? Why does it not matter how I explain this to her.... that she doesnt get it?


I love her with all of my heart.... but this thought process is correct. And shes proving it is... by never seeing my point... and focusing on the wrong thing.

She doesn't retain that information.... therefore.... me saying it was pointless.... therefore.... she is part of that paradox..... and she is proving me right.


Why doesnt she see that?


YOU GUYS DID


What do I tell to her now?


What do I tell to a non stoner....


Who doesn't know how the world works.... because she doesnt ALWAYS ask the question "what are they thinking?"

I do it out of habit.... but I learned a half truth young.... I thought I was good... because I was.


I get people to do what I want... without them knowing.


I think still.... right now.... as I say it.... that I'm really good. And I know that even if I'm really good... theres still doubt.





So why do I continue?


That logically sounds.... like an insane person.


But I know I'm not insane....

I just want my girl to see my perspective.

So logically I'm not insane.
 

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I told her I was broken.... and she rejected me. But I know she loves me.... I just need her to see my perspective..... so I can change.



So when I manipulate someone.... they tell me.. and some how I believe them.... that they aren't thinking that.


Because even when I am right... when I point it out.... they say "nuh uh" every time.


I can't be wrong all the time..... so which is it?

Thats my broken logic.

I know its broken.
 

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And I did acid months ago.... and I've been trying to explore my thoughts..... and I shared them with my baby... and now shes gone. I've done SO many bad things.... why when I tell her my real thoughts and opinions... does she leave?

Why does she just yell and scream and argue... and not she shes not listening?


Even when I tell her shes seeing the boy who cried wolf...


She still doesnt believe..... because I manipulated her into thinking that. But I wasn't.... I was manipulating her into coming up with that fact on her own...

It was a trick..... to get her to retain information.

How does she not see that?

Why does she tell me to stop talking about it..... and she'll come back....


comes back.... brings it up.... like im crazy.... so I have to respond saying no im not crazy trust me. And she then says im crazy.... so I have to explain it


because im not crazy. she just doesnt see my perspective.... that I was manipulating her into thinking what she thinks now.....


Why do you guys accept it.... and stop posting... and be mad at me...... and not say it


And she does it too?

You guys do it because you dont care.

She is very smart.... she has to be doing it because she doesnt care..... about me.

But I know she does


paradox 1 2 and 3
 

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All I need... is for you guys to tell me... how you convince someone like her.... who doesnt think of my perspective... because im manipulating her..... into realizing.... that shes doing it right this very second. And thats the point...


Without her thinking im on drugs... because im just on weed.... like half a bowl.... and I've been smoking a quarter every week for 6 months..... half a bowl and I cant comprehend... half a bowl takes the edge off.
 

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more fish in the sea
I refuse to believe that.... because I love everything about her... except that she doesnt see my inner self.... I've never told anyone.... literally anyone what im really thinking


I tried to tell her for the first time the other day.... and shes gone.
 

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More like cry for 8 hours... saying why God if full of shit whoever he is... whereever he is... and if he is real. Then text her for 30 minutes saying i love her.... then call her 20 times.... then come on here after i wipe the tears away and speak what ive been thinking about for 8 hours... and get trolled.... because no one wants to hear peoples inner ego... because its lame. its always lame. and thats fine. we are flawed. I accept that.
 

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including my girl... because i tricked her into thinking my inner ego was smething other than it was. but she knows who I am.... she loves me for me.... i just told her my deepest darkest secret. And because she doesnt get my perspective... she keeps saying what you guys were saying in the first thread.... even when i explain it perfectly....

And when I get her to look at some of your posts.... she thinks im crazy still because you guys think it... because you inferred i was a troll... but she doesnt realize forum etiquette.... and thinks you guys dont believe me


but you guys do believe me... you guys know what im saying.... so how do I tell her




AND she called my dad on the phone who acts just like me.... and thats why I'm like me..... and I yelled and screamed calling him an idiot to prove to my girl.... and now he hates me JUST because I called him an idiot... and a fuckhead... and a stupid stubborn asshole

EVEN when I also added "I respect you dad. You are a great father." he still doesnt look past me calling him a stubborn asshole.... to see that im manipulting him into doing what he just did.....


And left. And wont talk to me... until I apologize....

Like he wont validate that people can think like this... even slightly. Why?


Why will NO one validate my thought? why will they focus on the other things that dont matter?
 

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Not the random people on this forum... not my dad... no me.... and not my girl? No matter what I do... people think I have ulterior motives..... even when I don't manipulate at the start....
 

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You said you tricked her into this and that as well as manipulated other people who don't trust you anymore.
Why should they kiss your ass?

Elsewise, you're both sick of each other and let the relationship end.
Don't call, text or write shit on their facebook wall.
Go out to a bar over the weekend and meet someone new.

Learn to say "FUCK IT".
 

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You said you tricked her into this and that as well as manipulated other people who don't trust you anymore.
Why should they kiss your ass?

Elsewise, you're both sick of each other and let the relationship end.
Don't call, text or write shit on their facebook wall.
Go out to a bar over the weekend and meet someone new.

Learn to say "FUCK IT".
How is that the ONLY advice people who see the light can say?!?!?!?!?

Why can't we explain that to other people..... that we have to say FUCK it.... cuz no one cares.

And why cant we explain tot he people who say FUCK it.... that they need to care.... otherwise..... no one cares.

Paradox.

Why can't I explain that... so people retain that info... and act on it.

Its logical.

It makes perfect sense.

Yet both sides won't listen if I say it in just english..... but they will see the other view.... and understand it perfectly.... its like one type of person cares... and understands that everyone has their own views.... and still cares about people.... but can understand one of the concepts... but not the other.


Everyone who believes... in the first 1.... is against number 2.... and anyone who believes in the 2 one is against number 1....


And I proved that by manipulating you guys.... into ignoring my thoughts.... and talking about the same thing over and over


thus I proved you're wrong..... so logically you guys should realize you are not listening to opinions.... you are inferring your own opinion on them.... but you don't.


You don't have my perspective..... you dont understand that there is something else.... you cant comprehend that what if everything you think im thinking.... ISNT...... or you don't care. Either care about the point.... or care about the person talking.... or care about whatever.... but you dont care.... if you dont try to fix it. PERIOD.

Its broken. We know it is. You know it is... you know if people who act like me.... act like me... and you dont explain to them what they are doing... they will never stop unless they realize it on their own..... yet i just realized it from drugs...... drugs shouldn't be illegal.

You guys understand how those things get put together.... you understand that logic..... that because I think I was made better from drugs... that I think they should be legal. Not that you agree with that, but when I do it.... everyone tells me the same answer.... dont care about it.... or dont think that hard. Which means.... you guys are ALL either paradox 1 or paradox 2... or there is a paradox 3 that doesnt make logical sense.

But since I am telling you all right now... that there is a 3rd option... that makes no sense.... and you can't know it.... that means its not an opinion. Its NOT an opinion. It isn't. You guys see how I made that work logically in my head.... and the people who see that way.... say "dont think about it TOO much", and the people who dont see it and dont get it... say "dont think it about it SO much" but sense those are the ONLY answers I'm getting.... I'm never getting someone who changes......

That PROVES my point. And makes it impossible to find anti-logic.... WHICH IS THE POINT OMFG

ITS A PARADOX WTF DO I DO

If you guys dont ever tell me I'm wrong.... I'm right.... but if you guys tell me I'm wrong.... that still means I'm right. I've convinced myself.... that your opinions dont matter.... and when I listen to thoughts... I hear only part of them... infer what they are about to say.... get my argument ready.... and say it... and then I sound like a dumbass for not seeing your perspective... so you call me a dumbass so you dont realize im talking about the paradox that is you guys keep doing it.... PROVING MY PARADOX RIGHT

Then when I try to prove it right further I physically can.

Exactly like gravity.

I don't believe gravity can not be real if someone told me gravity is real.
Even though I understand the logic. So the logic is flawed.... so im right..... which makes me wrong or right..... HOW THE FUCK I just dont get it....

I've been sober for a few days... no weed at all today....



I feel like my opinions that pot should be legal are based off lies.... but they aren't they are based off my perspective.... and people who dont see my perspective wont understand why pot should be legal..... pot can help people like me figure it out..... because pot gets you ready to do shrooms..... thats my only thought....

I did pot.... I got ready to do shrooms... I did acid out of happen stance..... now I know I have been wrong for 22 years....

But I can't accept it because no one else is..... OR they are like me.

I can't be the only one like me.... so logically someone should say it... but they wouldn't if they were me.... so I can't be wrong.... so I'm right..... and we need to talk about it? Becase it keeps people like me in the same direction..... because you wont validate their misinformation.... or their information.

My girl came back... I'm laying in bed with her.... its 4:35 AM.... and I keep thinking "what if she doesnt see my inner self?" "what if she doesnt love who I really am?" "what if... then I realize that proves my point.... then I start talking to prove my point... then she gets mad and leaves.... and I keep doing it. She has left twice now.

WTF!?!?!?1

How can I handle it for 8 years perfectly.... and 22 years of my life acting like it to everyone.... and I admit that I'm wrong.... and I physically can't accept it... because I'm the only one admitting its effecting them at that exact moment.... which means its real.... which validates my own opinion.... which makes me say it over again.

We need to tell people when we are wrong... or people like me... wont admit when they are wrong... and will never change.

But when I tell my girl that.... she responds with "No keith, thats your opinon." and its fucking not. I'm telling her WHY to believe it.... and she can only hear me talking about my opinions.... not my CORE thought. Therefore shes broken... therefore I shouldn't be with her. Perfect logic.... but I love her way more than her opinions..... she has so many opinions that differ than mine... shes christian I'm agnostic.....

But when I tell her this core thought... in any way.... she DOESN'T see it... OR she thinks I'm manipulating her so she doesn't look at it.

So what do I tell her to get her to see why she needs to validate that I'm wrong? So I can tell the only person I've ever felt comfortable enough to say it to.... what I feel... without being crushed by her not accepting it?

WHCIH PROVES MY GOD DAMN POINT OMFG. You guys dont see or dont care enough to get down that far..... so its RIGHT. You are this... or this. But I'm disproving that..... because I don't know what you're thinking.... but it doesn't matter what you're thinking because everyone is doing 1 thing or the other.

SO ITS NOT AN OPINION ITS FACT OMFG. I've agreed to see a therapist.... but only once... and only if I can't explain to the therapist my point to her..... because a therapist willd eal with people like me all day


AND HAVE THE SAME OPINION OMFG.

He will believe you have to talk to these people so they know they are wrong. He looked further in.... hes paradox 3.... thats why I need to talk to them.... FUCK LOGIC OMFG>

Logic proves whatever point you are trying to make if you want it to......... now its proving mine.... what the hell
 

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I know gravity is real... because I see the effects.... and I've taken into account the possibility of doubt... and choose to believe its real. But thats an example... and if you don't read into that example... you are inferring what I am saying is true.... based off what I said. But I was manipulating you into thinking my opinions so manipulating doesn't work.... but if it doesn't work you guys would have validated that it doesn't for the right reason.... because I wasn't talking about gravity I was talking about my thoughts..... so you proved my point right... arguing about gravity and not my point... just because my point was my perspective... and you didn't and COULDN'T take my perspective in with 100 percent accuracy... so you never should... even when you hear me word for word.

So you should not manipulate... you should listen.....

Yet everyone doesn't do that.... so logically there are people who don't do that.... yet when I try to get to that point.... you guys don't ever get there.... you're still talking about the accuracy of my opinion.... thus you disproved your own logic.... by not knowing my perspectiving and inferring my perspective.... thus my paradoxes are real... and that is why we argue. Get rid of both perspectives... and get just one.... no more arguments... no more wars.

Thats the point I'm making..... but I can't get that far... because no one CARES or no one WANTS TO LISTEN... for whatever reason... and if they do care they CARE but you can't tell if they are LYING or NOT because you can't prove their opinion thus I'm right.


WTF
 

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So really everyone manipulated its just to one extent? And I just proved it with math.... and no one here agrees unless I say "So really everyone manipulated its just to an extent." and then they are like "oh yeah of course duh." or they continue with "nuh uh" which validates my original opinion when no one says I'm wrong and not saying they were wrong... or say what they thought previously..... and agree they were wrong....

So really everyone manipulates?

And based off how much they manipulate.... they ether like or dislike each other... and there is nothing else measurable in life except how manipulative you are... thus I need to be more manipulative than you guys and everyone

BUT NO THATS NOT TRUE

You want to be less.... but if you're less.... people dnt get your point because they infer more and more... the more intelligent you get.... and you become manipulative DUE to society telling us that intelligence should be frowned upon.


Because the people WITH problems dont get help unless they seek it.... and some can't.... and the people WITHOUT problems either dont care... or dont comprehend their perspective OR SOMETHING ELSE.

But... when you guys dont see me say or something else... you inferred my opinion just because or something else was at the end. Just like when you look at my examples and call me wrong before for the wrong reason... and I show you my perspective.... and you dont retain that you need to see my perspective to understand... so you should look at other perspectives.... you dont retain that.

EVER.

Unless you change to the other paradox.........

Thus keeping the cycle GOING


Fact: Its disproving that pot should be legal.... but if it isn't legal the people who need it couldn't figure it out... but once they figure it out.... everyone says dont do anything... for whatever reason.... and some people say do... but they are very small... so the bigger portion of the world doesnt care.... so nothing changes.

Question: You guys understand that logic perfectly. It makes perfect sense. Why dont you change? And if you dont change... then you're not seeing my perspective.


Question: How do I explain that to her? So she doesnt think I'm crazy... so she sees my point... understands it... and either agrees or disagrees.... because all I can hear is her saying my opinion is wrong... but its not... you guys know its not.... tell me how to tell her.

Fact: And additionally.... her thinking that proves my paradoxes...so why doesnt she realize her disagreeing.... is making my point and accept it and move on.

Fact: And if you tell me to not worry about it.... then you're proving the god damn point... because SHE won't change.... IF whats happening is her ego lying to her... or if she is being honest..... UNLESS she understands that concept.


Opinion: And DRUGS seem to make you realize that... so I believe in drugs.



Only parts I care about are the facts there... and the questions. Answer my questions... and understand that earlier you were battling my opinon.


And the final main opinion that is the central theme here....

Opinion: I think that if she DOESN'T happen to know this information, then she is BROKEN and needs to be fixed. And the only thing that could have fixed me... was society telling me I suck. And telling me I suck for the right reasons... and not just the things that you THINK will upset me more.


Fact: And if you do nothing... you WILL effect someone with a manipulative problem in a negative way... you are DOING IT RIGHT NOW. Hence proof of the opinion.

But more importantly proof of a fact that I was talking about earlier.... that my girl never gets to. If she got this far.... she would agree. And its literally destroying my brain. Because these sentences HAVE to be facts......


 

mr sunshine

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Some people just cant handle drugs.ur brain is to weak but u think its strong and unlocked now!! but its affecting ur life and relationship so much it must be fucked up becouse of ur drug use...thats what happends to weak minded people they cant control their thoughts.thinking their finally free but the reality is ur just traped inside urself...ur in a prison of thoughts..good luck buddy!!
 

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Some people just cant handle drugs.ur brain is to weak but u think its strong and unlocked now!! but its affecting ur life and relationship so much it must be fucked up becouse of ur drug use...thats what happends to weak minded people they cant control their thoughts.thinking their finally free but the reality is ur just traped inside urself...ur in a prison of thoughts..good luck buddy!!
I mean I know I'm in a prison... I know I'm here... but its logical. And I'm not talking about my problems... I'm talking about people not looking into manipulation.... and when I completely prove beyond a shadow of a doubt... that they did not see my opinion originally... they think my manipulation is a lie... or they think something else.... but regardless.... it proves that THIS SENTENCE is a FACT NOT AN OPINION.

You saying that I'm in a prison.... IS NOT THE POINT... you are inferring that... you are slowing down society.

HOW DO YOU NOT CHANGE

You continue to talk about me being in a prison... why dont you talk about the concept.... and ADMIT you didn't talk about the concept EARLIER

AND THAT I DONT NEED HELP?!?!?!

You are inferring... that I need help.

And I'm freaking the fuck out because NO ONE ADMITS THAT OR SEES FAR ENOUGH INTO IT TO SEE WHAT IM TALKING ABOUT SO IT PROVES YOU ARE WRONG




Because originally I was talking about getting help explaining this thought... and no one thought far enough in... or no one cared enough to see it and respond about it or they saw it... but didnt want to admit it.... ALL OF THESE are manipulation.... and I disproved that your logic of assuming my thoughts is INVALID... and you never talk about this OPINION and it makes it a FACT because no one knew what I was talking about. Which is the point. I was manipulating you into thinking that way.... and you guys dont admit it.. and thats the point.

Everyone doesnt admit or... something else.

Thats my point.... yet you guys dont admit you are the point....


Fuckin A'.


Maybe its this tramadol I took the other day.... 3 50 mg tabs.... after having hydros for an entire week..... because I just had a general anesthetic.... and then abused my pain reduction medicine due to the pain?

Even if that isnt it... DID YOU TAKE THAT INTO ACCOUNT?

NO!!!! YOU DIDNT.

POINT PROVEN.

FUCK.

And then when I say that to her....

SHE DOESNT GET IT.

And this entire time I've been asking... HOW do I say it to her....



Opinion: YOU GUYS SAY I DONT CARE TO TELL YOU GO TALK TO A THERAPIST

Opinion: SHE NEVER LEARNS

QUESTION: How do I explain it to her???!?!?!?!?

And thats all I'm saying... over and over and over and over

But FACT: YOU WONT FUCKING TELL ME HOW TO EXPLAIN IT TO HER BECAUSE IF I MANIPULATE YOU INTO DOING IT YOU DONT DO IT AND IF I DONT MANIPULATE YOU YOU DONT DO IT. BUT THIS ISNT AN OPINION AND IM NOT CRAZY BECAUSE I JUST WANT YOU TO TELL ME HOW, OR TELL ME WHAT YOU THINK WOULD BE THE BEST WAY TO EXPLAIN THIS CONCEPT TO SOMEONE I THINK IS NOT UNDER THAT EFFECT THAT I THINK THEY ARE.


So its proving thats whats wrong... I manipulated you into proving that you are fucking shit up... and you still didn't change.....

BECAUSE

Opinion: I DONT THINK EGOS CAN CHANGE.

Discuss? Do you think it can change? Based off how insanely crazy this topic is..... I know... and I swear its because I CANT CHANGE. I'd like to know what you think about my opinion... because I everyone says not to care.... and what if thats not what I'm talking about?

Can EGOS change?

I did acid.... and thought that question... NOW ... I can't change. So tell me.... CAN THEY CHANGE? WHAT DO YOU THINK?



And please for the love of fucking christ dont say I DONT KNOW or that YOU NEED A THERAPIST because THATS NOT MY QUESTION I'm ASKING CAN EGOS CHANGE.
 

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You guys never once asked why.....

Because a manipulator.... would infer into what I was saying only if they cared..... so if you didnt care................ FOR ANY REASON........ you wouldn't INFER. And if I don't go THIS INDEPTHLY..... YOU DONT RETAIN THAT INFORMATION AND UTILIZE IT THE NEXT TIME I FUCK WITH YOU.

But......

If I said "Why do egos change?"

You would TELL ME WHY YOU THINK THEY CHANGE


NOT LITERALLY WHY DO EGOS CHANGE.

You are inferring I LITERALLY MEAN WHY DO EGOS CHANGE

SO YOU ARE WRONG. Thats not what I'm saying. I'm saying it over and over and you guys are saying yeah yeah sure we know that....

But then you never infer..............


You realize this...... and you dont change.... you get annoyed.... you get pissed off... you scream... you yell.... you bicker.... AND YOU DONT RETAIN KNOWLEDGE IF I TELL YOU.

So you have to come up with it on your own... to retain that knowledge..... so I was trying to make you come up with it on your own and say it... to make you retain it... if you didn't retain it.

But.... you could have NEVER known that... EVER.... OR ANYTHING ELSE.... or ANYONE ELSES MINDS..... and...... that...... proves...... the point. Because the point is a paradox.... but its NOT. You just are 99.999999 SURE IT IS......

You guys DO UNDERSTAND THAT. SOME PEOPLE DONT

And my opinion is if I dont sit here and bicker and scream and bitch and be an asshole.... you guys dont make the thought yourself...... and retain it..... AT THE VERY LEAST I CANT PROVE THAT by manipulating you and making you infer what I want you to..... SO ITS TRUE THAT YOU DO IT SO ACCEPT that it isn't a paradox...... and that I'm not crazy..... because I'm not crazy it is true.

JUST BECAUSE I am crazy. Or... that you inferred I was..... based off no knowledge.... and that I needed a therapist...and what not.... so fine...

HOW DO I EXPLAIN THAT TO HER?!?!??!!?!?!

Can anyone read far enough into my text to change and TRY TO THINK AND MANIPULATE ME and figure out an awesome way to explain it to her?!?!?!? OR CAN WE ATLEAST TALK ABOUT IT?!?!?!? Just that. ONCE IN THIS ENTIRE THREAD. That I've been asking over and over.

I feel like I have to talk for 6 months to explain this....

HOW DO I EXPLAIN IT BETTER <--- THIS IS A QUESTION NOT AN OPINION SO I'M NOT WRONG PLEASE ANSWER THIS QUESTION DONT SAY THE ANSWERS YOU'RE GIVING ME OR DONT POST
 

mr sunshine

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U dont need help maby help needs you...maby everyone is wrong.....wrong is a human concept which in its own essence is as important as dirt.....weather u think dirt is important. Its very important yet its a term used to discribe nothing......so i see ur point but wrong may be right and vise versa or maby both of those things dont really exist in our demension no matter how much we want them to.
 

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All I want is your opinions... and your perspectives.... on how someone would explain to people like this.... that they dont get it..... when they admit they do right off the back... and you can infer... within a reasonable amount.... that they can't grasp this opinion... because they are focusing on the beginning?



Cause guess what.... I don't get it.... because I can't explain it to other people. But thats fine... thats my problem.

What do you guys think would be a good way to explain it.... dont call me crazy for not knowing how to explain it please.



And then to also hopefully realize that even if you answer..... and you still think that..... that yes.... you just got trolled. Which is what makes you irritated by being trolled..... THOSE TROLLS DONT GET THESE THEORIES I THINK THIS IS MY OPINION

So instead of saying fuck off troll, explain them. Otherwise they get upset.... because you LAUGHED AT THEM SO THEY START TALKING IN CAPITALS AND SWEARING AND FREAKING OUT AND......... AND..........AND............

AND WHAT!?!!?!?!?

YOU FUCKING STOP THEM FROM CHANGING.

They exist.... and you are keeping THEM DOWN BY FUCKING NOT MANIPULATING THEM BACK.

That is FACT. Now how you choose to go from there is your OPINION... but what I just said was a FACT and you have to either ACCEPT that or GET THE FUCK OFF MY GOD DAMN THREAD YOU TROLL!!!!!!!

SEE HOW IT FEELS WHEN PEOPLE GET MAD AND SAY GTFO YOU FUCKING FUCK!!!!!

GET IT?!?!?!?!?!?!?1?!?!?!?!?!?
 
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