co2 & dryice
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babygro
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Well I don't think under 2 oz's per plant under a HPS is anything to brag about to be honest, do you?
GraF
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No, I didnt use the co2 but I will next time.. But that doesnt matter!!!!
All Im saying is that you COULDCOULDCOULD get better results than what you have!! thats all!! Im not trying to argue, I just want to say that we wouldnt fucking be here if everyone on earth wasnt open to new things!!!
The best growers out there use co2, does that mean anything?? obviously not to you but whatever stay in your shell and dont listen to anyone..
it was 1400w total from 2 hps lamps
Yes babygro, I know I should have yielded more but I encountered stretching, I LEARNED something from it though.... know where Im goin with this?? Im sure you do so now Im done.....
All Im saying is that you COULDCOULDCOULD get better results than what you have!! thats all!! Im not trying to argue, I just want to say that we wouldnt fucking be here if everyone on earth wasnt open to new things!!!
The best growers out there use co2, does that mean anything?? obviously not to you but whatever stay in your shell and dont listen to anyone..
it was 1400w total from 2 hps lamps
Yes babygro, I know I should have yielded more but I encountered stretching, I LEARNED something from it though.... know where Im goin with this?? Im sure you do so now Im done.....
babygro
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Based on what? And what makes you think the best growers use co2 enhancement?
GraF
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VIDEOS..... and pictures and articles and word
what the fuck is this anyways?! Im not gonna fight over this bullshit
BABYGRO, YOU COULD GET BETTER RESULTS, THATS ALL THERE IS TO IT!!!
like I said, If nobody was willing to try new things where the fuck would we be?? prolly creating the fucking first round wheel with you sitting there saying..
fuck that, Ill use my rectangle wheel
what the fuck is this anyways?! Im not gonna fight over this bullshit
BABYGRO, YOU COULD GET BETTER RESULTS, THATS ALL THERE IS TO IT!!!
like I said, If nobody was willing to try new things where the fuck would we be?? prolly creating the fucking first round wheel with you sitting there saying..
fuck that, Ill use my rectangle wheel
babygro
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There's no substantive evidence that states that the 'best' growers all use co2 enhancement - stop making things up to try and add gravity to what you're saying.
And if you recall I never disputed that at all, I said quite clearly that if people want to use it that's their prerogative, however I don't personally use it, nor will use it for the reasons I've given already.
I'm not against 'new technology' or anything that can help make people better growers and get better results - I personally, just prefer to use those that sit happilly with my 'organic, natural growing philosophy'.
GraF
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well what is this???
"Carbon Dioxide (CO2) levels should be high, particularly during the FLOWERING PHASE . Growth rates can be increased dramatically if the CO2 level is near 700 ppm. 300 ppm (Outside Air) 700 ppm (Ideal) 2000 ppm (Plants Burn) 5000 ppm (Death)"
just a bunch of bull shit
"Carbon Dioxide (CO2) levels should be high, particularly during the FLOWERING PHASE . Growth rates can be increased dramatically if the CO2 level is near 700 ppm. 300 ppm (Outside Air) 700 ppm (Ideal) 2000 ppm (Plants Burn) 5000 ppm (Death)"
just a bunch of bull shit
GraF
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well you obviously dont get what I am tryin to tell you since you keep saying the same thing over and over "not leaving my box, not leaving my box, not leaving my box"
babygro, did you know that there are better ways of growing besides the way that you do??? maybe that will get thru to you since nothing anyone else says can
Ill be rolling down the hill while your square wheels are stuck in the ground
babygro, did you know that there are better ways of growing besides the way that you do??? maybe that will get thru to you since nothing anyone else says can
Ill be rolling down the hill while your square wheels are stuck in the ground
videoman40
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Hey Smoker......dude, I'm not sure if I am reading you incorrectly, or you read my post incorrectly, however.....to clarify, I agree 100% with your statements. I especially agree with the part where you said todays seeds/(plants) adjust to the current levels of co2.
I was not, as baby suggests justifying anything, I was merely pointing out the inaccuracies of the statement, or rather, what I interpeted as inaacuracies. As other people have already said, theres nothing natural about growing indoors, and if you are truly trying to grow your plants in a low stress, mostly natural environment, you'll use additional co2. That is after all what the plant is accustomed to. On a side note to using co2, another benefit is not having to worry about any sort of bug infestation. I like that.
I believe that using co2 is closer to "natural and organic" than not using it.
Peace
I was not, as baby suggests justifying anything, I was merely pointing out the inaccuracies of the statement, or rather, what I interpeted as inaacuracies. As other people have already said, theres nothing natural about growing indoors, and if you are truly trying to grow your plants in a low stress, mostly natural environment, you'll use additional co2. That is after all what the plant is accustomed to. On a side note to using co2, another benefit is not having to worry about any sort of bug infestation. I like that.
I believe that using co2 is closer to "natural and organic" than not using it.
Peace
GraF
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hey babygro, I found this!!!! It comes from The very person who CREATED THIS WHOLE SITE!!!!!!!!! can you believe that?!!? check it out!!
Weed Plants and Carbon Dioxide
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People laughed when it was said that playing music to plants made them grow better. It really did because the sound vibrations actually strengthened them stem fibres, shorten the internode length, and caused stress grow reactions from the plants.
People then laughed when it was said that singing to plants madem them grow better. However, this is true. The carbon dioxide ( CO2 ) from the breath of a human actually makes plants grow faster. If were to grab a choir and let them sing in your grow room during the light cycle, the plants would do very well
It is also said that the massive plants that existed billions of years ago had lived in an environment with much more carbon dioxide in it. In their evolution, the plants still maintained the capacity to use much more carbon dioxide than the world has now.
In smog poluted cities, the CO2 level can be as high as 500 PPM, and by just having a small fan, the plants should have enough carbon dioxide for a medium sized garden. Nothing is better then letter your neighbor help your plants.
A High-light indoor garden with carbond dioxide amount increased from 300ppm to 2000ppm can nearly double plant growth.
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People laughed when it was said that playing music to plants made them grow better. It really did because the sound vibrations actually strengthened them stem fibres, shorten the internode length, and caused stress grow reactions from the plants.
People then laughed when it was said that singing to plants madem them grow better. However, this is true. The carbon dioxide ( CO2 ) from the breath of a human actually makes plants grow faster. If were to grab a choir and let them sing in your grow room during the light cycle, the plants would do very well
It is also said that the massive plants that existed billions of years ago had lived in an environment with much more carbon dioxide in it. In their evolution, the plants still maintained the capacity to use much more carbon dioxide than the world has now.
In smog poluted cities, the CO2 level can be as high as 500 PPM, and by just having a small fan, the plants should have enough carbon dioxide for a medium sized garden. Nothing is better then letter your neighbor help your plants.
A High-light indoor garden with carbond dioxide amount increased from 300ppm to 2000ppm can nearly double plant growth.
videoman40
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On another note, I got lucky today, I was at a client's today, we were shooting the shit, having a beer and toking together, and as we talked, he told me he has a co2 tank for sale. So I ended up trading him one case of eggplant roulettes for a full tank of co2! lol
The case cost me like $13.00 only, and he was happy to get it, so that makes a very good deal, when both parties walk away happy!
Peace
The case cost me like $13.00 only, and he was happy to get it, so that makes a very good deal, when both parties walk away happy!
Peace
GraF
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sounds nice, a proud co2 user here!! I was steered towards this post also by a close friend who likes to watch vi...... I mean movies...
this is a post by another one of our moderators: potroast
"I've always heard that CO2 will reduce the bugs in your growroom, but I didn't know how it did that. I read recently that using CO2 will cause the skin of the leaf to be thicker, and some sucking insects will have a harder time getting through the thicker skin.
So you get better growth and fewer bugs."
but fuck that, you wouldnt want to listen to someone who is a moderator at a marijuana website, Ill stay in the box, bye bye
this is a post by another one of our moderators: potroast
"I've always heard that CO2 will reduce the bugs in your growroom, but I didn't know how it did that. I read recently that using CO2 will cause the skin of the leaf to be thicker, and some sucking insects will have a harder time getting through the thicker skin.
So you get better growth and fewer bugs."
but fuck that, you wouldnt want to listen to someone who is a moderator at a marijuana website, Ill stay in the box, bye bye
videoman40
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"babygro
The plant can't differentiate between 'artificial light' and 'natural light' "
I got to call bullshit when I hear it.
What are you saying here, that cfl's & HID lighting & the sun are all equal? Go figure.
"babygro
No, it's not replacing what the plant uses - it's force feeding it high quantities of co2 to speed up it's metabolic rate, to increase photosynthesis so it grows faster than it would if it didn't have co2 supplementation. Plants do not receive these high doseages of co2 in nature and hence my reason for not wanting to use it within my 'grow philosophy'."
Wrong again, it is returning the plant to what is was naturally accustomed in nature years ago, rather than forcing it to adjust to todays current co2 levels.
"babygro
Let's be honest here, let's cut the bull eh? You guys use co2 enhancement because it forces the plant to grow faster than it would do without it, you use it so you can get your harvests faster than you would without using it. That's the bottom line - faster harvest. This has NOTHING to do with quality of harvest. If you want to grow that way - that's your prerogative, it's not the way I want to grow - quality is far more important to me than harvest speed."
Again...I got to call bullshit when I hear it, co2 does not speed up the grow process, it it simply returning the plant to its natural level of co2 it was accustomed to, therfore it is speeding up photosynthesis, but not thelength of the grow cycle, and as a direct result, you'll have some killer weed, in terms of quality & quantity too.
"babygro
That's exactly what I do, do - I let the plant grow as naturally as I can in an indoor artificial environment - happy, stress free plants produce the best buds - simple as. You just want to speed it up so you can get your buds quicker - thats your prerogative - it's not mine."
Again, any time benefit in growing with co2 is very small, and if that were the only reason for using co2, it wouldnt be worth it. If the plants photosynthesis is slowed down because of the current levels in todays atmosphere, than supplementing with co2 is not speeding up the process, it is merely returing the plant to the environment that it is use to, more to the point not using co2 is slowing down the growing process. Less photosynthesis=lower quality buds & smaller plants.
This is like a patient who comes into the hospital with asthma, and can hardly breathe and having babrgro as the doctor, refusing to administer any sort of oyygen or pregnazone as it isnt natural. Not being able to breathe is not natural.
"babygro
You're on your first grow from bagseed, how in the hell would you know what co2 enhancement does? How also would you know what quality home grown bud is like, that doesn't use co2 enhancement?"
Stop ragging on him, as if you are any better?
The plant can't differentiate between 'artificial light' and 'natural light' "
I got to call bullshit when I hear it.
What are you saying here, that cfl's & HID lighting & the sun are all equal? Go figure.
"babygro
No, it's not replacing what the plant uses - it's force feeding it high quantities of co2 to speed up it's metabolic rate, to increase photosynthesis so it grows faster than it would if it didn't have co2 supplementation. Plants do not receive these high doseages of co2 in nature and hence my reason for not wanting to use it within my 'grow philosophy'."
Wrong again, it is returning the plant to what is was naturally accustomed in nature years ago, rather than forcing it to adjust to todays current co2 levels.
"babygro
Let's be honest here, let's cut the bull eh? You guys use co2 enhancement because it forces the plant to grow faster than it would do without it, you use it so you can get your harvests faster than you would without using it. That's the bottom line - faster harvest. This has NOTHING to do with quality of harvest. If you want to grow that way - that's your prerogative, it's not the way I want to grow - quality is far more important to me than harvest speed."
Again...I got to call bullshit when I hear it, co2 does not speed up the grow process, it it simply returning the plant to its natural level of co2 it was accustomed to, therfore it is speeding up photosynthesis, but not thelength of the grow cycle, and as a direct result, you'll have some killer weed, in terms of quality & quantity too.
"babygro
That's exactly what I do, do - I let the plant grow as naturally as I can in an indoor artificial environment - happy, stress free plants produce the best buds - simple as. You just want to speed it up so you can get your buds quicker - thats your prerogative - it's not mine."
Again, any time benefit in growing with co2 is very small, and if that were the only reason for using co2, it wouldnt be worth it. If the plants photosynthesis is slowed down because of the current levels in todays atmosphere, than supplementing with co2 is not speeding up the process, it is merely returing the plant to the environment that it is use to, more to the point not using co2 is slowing down the growing process. Less photosynthesis=lower quality buds & smaller plants.
This is like a patient who comes into the hospital with asthma, and can hardly breathe and having babrgro as the doctor, refusing to administer any sort of oyygen or pregnazone as it isnt natural. Not being able to breathe is not natural.
"babygro
You're on your first grow from bagseed, how in the hell would you know what co2 enhancement does? How also would you know what quality home grown bud is like, that doesn't use co2 enhancement?"
Stop ragging on him, as if you are any better?
babygro
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I'm saying that the plant cannot and does not differentiate between artificial light and sunlight. As long as the plant receives the correct amounts of light intensity in the correct spectrum wavelengths then it doesn't really care whether the light source is artificial or not. However, if you have substantive substantiated proof that plants do indeed differentiate between different types of light intensity - lets hear it and see it instead of calling what people write 'bullshit'.
Once again, do you have substantive substantiated proof that plants are accustomed to the high co2 levels you refer to? If you do lets see and hear it rather than calling what people write as being 'wrong' and taking other peoples word as 'gospel'.
What you're missing here (like you always do because you simply do not have the depth of knowledge to be able to think for yourself, but go on what other people write and what you can cut and past from elsewhere) is that the vast majority of Cannabis plants grown in indoor environments today are direct genetic descendants from Dutch hybridisations, which have been grown, developed and bred in indoor environments under artificial lighting. Cannabis being a very adaptable plant have adapted their genetics via evolution to thrive, prosper and grow happily in artificial lighting indoor environments without the 'large quantities of co2' they've supposedly been accustomed to many many years ago outside in nature. Todays Cannabis genetics have been adapted to grow well in artificial environments.
Co2 does speed up the growth process and therefore it gets people to their harvest faster than if they were to grow without it and that's why people use it. See above regarding your own 'bullshit' regarding high co2 levels supposedly existent in nature many eons ago which has no relevance whatsoever to the predominant Dutch artificially bred genetics the majority of indoor growers currently use.
I direct you to my previous answer on this. This is the problem when you pin all of your argument on something that is, sadly for you this time, fatally flawed. The Cannabis plants we grow today in indoor environments have never been exposed to these 'supposedly' high co2 levels found outside in nature. Go away and think about this and try and understand it and you'll then see why your argument is simply not valid.
The rest of your post simply isn't worth posting a reply to.
videoman40
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oh yeah!
Dude, there is no substitue for the sun. Any artificial light, is just that.... artificial. There is no way you can duplicate the suns powers indoors.
The co2 statement regarding the levels found on this planet years ago are easily verified. Go do your own research.
I am not going to waste my time arguing with you, as it always falls on deaf ears. The difference with you and most people here, is that most are here to help each other, you on the other hand, as evidenced by your PM's to me are here to try to prove yourself as some self proclaimed grow guru so that you can profit off of them by selling them bs scheme on a "no effort grow" that you are producing. The key word here is self proclamed.
If you were sincere, you wouldnt be tossed out of every pot growing forum all over the internet. It dosent take a depth of knowledge to help another person, just some honest sincerity, and to not be demeaning, the way you are to everyone.
Peace
Dude, there is no substitue for the sun. Any artificial light, is just that.... artificial. There is no way you can duplicate the suns powers indoors.
The co2 statement regarding the levels found on this planet years ago are easily verified. Go do your own research.
I am not going to waste my time arguing with you, as it always falls on deaf ears. The difference with you and most people here, is that most are here to help each other, you on the other hand, as evidenced by your PM's to me are here to try to prove yourself as some self proclaimed grow guru so that you can profit off of them by selling them bs scheme on a "no effort grow" that you are producing. The key word here is self proclamed.
If you were sincere, you wouldnt be tossed out of every pot growing forum all over the internet. It dosent take a depth of knowledge to help another person, just some honest sincerity, and to not be demeaning, the way you are to everyone.
Peace
primeralives
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do you leave the dry ice in there the whole time the lights are on??
videoman40
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Yes I do leave it in there, so long as the temps stay within range, even if it does get too hot, its not worth bothering to move the (heavy) dryice. I just turn on the exhaust for about 3 minutes which is enough in my case to cool off the room, than turn off the fan again.
Peace
Hey Mr_issues, I'm not positive why the co2 levels were higher, but they were, and you provide one possible reason I suppose.
Peace......(I'm back to my pipe now)
Peace
Hey Mr_issues, I'm not positive why the co2 levels were higher, but they were, and you provide one possible reason I suppose.
Peace......(I'm back to my pipe now)