FlowaMasta's Methodology @ How to Grow Monster pound plants!!! ( Jack H X Skunk )

Dr.Amber Trichome

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thanks for the explaination flowa.. im growing my pebblex in a phototron. The phototron has all T-5s! I wonder if im allergic to the anocyanins. I had severe hives on my wrists from this plant while playing with her a while back.. since then I wear long gloves and now don't ever take her out of the phototron..... another strain that caused this allergic reaction was a delicious cottoncandy.. which also might have had high counts of the anocyanins. Have you ever gotten rash or hives from mj? SAM_0115.jpg
 

eastcoastmo

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Im going to start calling you Professor Flowamasta :lol: I'd love to sit down and have a bong and rack your brain man, you have a wealth of knowledge in that head of yours! And who said pot makes you stupid...people who have never tried it that's who :)

Damn that Dutch dark chocolate sounds bloody good too, those cookies would taste awesome :D
 

daveroller

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Hey Flowa, I hope this isn't a question that you've gotten umpteen times already... but how coarse should the perlite be? I see that there's a #3 that's about 1 cm in diameter and #4 is about 2 cm I think. Does it matter much?

I was thinking of putting a porous fabric bag inside of a plastic bucket, with the inner bag holding the perlite. I'd prop the bag up on a bed of hydroton to let all the water drain out the bottom into the plastic bucket. Everything else will be the same as your system. See any problems with that? (The bag is called a "Smart Pot".)
 

flowamasta

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thanks for the explaination flowa.. im growing my pebblex in a phototron. The phototron has all T-5s! I wonder if im allergic to the anocyanins. I had severe hives on my wrists from this plant while playing with her a while back.. since then I wear long gloves and now don't ever take her out of the phototron..... another strain that caused this allergic reaction was a delicious cottoncandy.. which also might have had high counts of the anocyanins. Have you ever gotten rash or hives from mj? View attachment 2744247
It's strange that you say this, but i do believe this is due to the chemical makeup of the particular species, all plants change their metabolites differently and can be excreted from the leaves tips and stems surface, more likely where the humid zones are, like say under a human armpit would be similar to that of a node or joint on a branch. The nutrients taken up by the plant change their structure as they get metabolized some turn into sugars, some turn into acids. Some of these acids can be sensitive against our skin especially if the ph of the given zone is odd. So yes in theory its possible to get a reaction such as you said like hives, I often get agitated if my arms brush the inner stems, something to do with the chemicals released by the plant i'm almost positive. This happens in organics/synthetic as its a byproduct as the plant produces sugars. Having a healthy nutrient system will minimize agitation, PH adjusters can be EXTREMELY sensitive to the point of even touching the bottles can prove hazardous as the dry salts are ok..... until they become wet. Or have them combine.... on the skin..... its nasty stuff, and i try to steer away from ph adjusters.

Im going to start calling you Professor Flowamasta :lol: I'd love to sit down and have a bong and rack your brain man, you have a wealth of knowledge in that head of yours! And who said pot makes you stupid...people who have never tried it that's who :)

Damn that Dutch dark chocolate sounds bloody good too, those cookies would taste awesome :D
lol! Just after all my babble just then hehe! sometimes we have to look at other plants to see what goes on, like stinging nettles, or catnip... or Aloe Vera ;) they all have a unique way of changing natures elements to create vastly different compounds!! :) i always love to read, and get stuck reading things with my OCD, and i cannot put a book down until i've read what i've set out to read! or i get anxious :p i have to keep reading and reading, it gets faster and faster until i've finished and then its almost like a relief and my brain just soaks it up :) LOL damn that sounded kinda sick.... I didn't learn from going to school thats for sure. I didn't want to know what the teachers knew, i wanted to know what the teachers who tell the teachers what to teach..... ;-) Pot makes people stupid...
.. lol yeah, we all know thats a whoopie of a lie! i had a mate recently who i haven't seen in some time, never really like erb much, and said to me, "i can tell you don't smoke that shit, you can tell who does they just look like stoners" !!!!! I thought, you sad, uninformed simple norm. He had no idea i was bent out of my brain that very moment. Did i say anything? I was far too high to even care what he had to say, not for being rude, but for his blind attitude.

Those choc cookies are going fast!!! what happened last night nobody knows!??

Hey Flowa, I hope this isn't a question that you've gotten umpteen times already... but how coarse should the perlite be? I see that there's a #3 that's about 1 cm in diameter and #4 is about 2 cm I think. Does it matter much?

I was thinking of putting a porous fabric bag inside of a plastic bucket, with the inner bag holding the perlite. I'd prop the bag up on a bed of hydroton to let all the water drain out the bottom into the plastic bucket. Everything else will be the same as your system. See any problems with that? (The bag is called a "Smart Pot".)
The more fine the perlite is the more water it will hod, the less frequently you may water it. Its fine either way, i like it coarse to stop stuff coming through the lines.
I wouldn't use a porous fabric, as you need something inert to chemicals and not clog up eventually. Material may work at first, but you don't want ANY issues down the track. A large synthetic fishing net or something like that would suffice. In my opinion anyway :) but probably expensive. i cant believe they are hard to get on ebay :(

Back to the 'Flo'gram ;)

Day 15 Grow Phase.

Topped at each branch tip, the main getting the bigger snip! gotta slow this girl down, i got another 4 weeks of vegging to do :p YEP!! another 4 weeks on top of THIS.

 

eastcoastmo

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Ha ha ha lol bro, i was the same at school, spent most of it stoned and still got through it. Im more for finding info for myself through books and docos etc :)
That's too funny about your mate too, some people just have no idea what to look for hey. Ive got mates that still have no idea i was stoned at school, they still to this day wonder how i got through so easily lol.

Wow man your girl is growing super fast, wont be long before its flowa time :D
 

Dr.Amber Trichome

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ello mate! I have the same camera you have! Im still learning a lot about it. I mostly use smart mode and macro mode. The instruction manual is so long the way it printed out for me. Its in a very thick binder one sided pages..crazy! I need to study it more. Does your connection to your computer from the camera when uploading pictures seem to take a long time? Im not sure if my wire is bad or the connection into the computer is too lose? Im looking into getting a microscope to study trichomes . Do you have any recommendations? im looking for quality.Thanks mate!
 

flowamasta

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Ha ha ha lol bro, i was the same at school, spent most of it stoned and still got through it. Im more for finding info for myself through books and docos etc :)
That's too funny about your mate too, some people just have no idea what to look for hey. Ive got mates that still have no idea i was stoned at school, they still to this day wonder how i got through so easily lol.

Wow man your girl is growing super fast, wont be long before its flowa time :D
daaaamn, school! that was some time ago now it seems.
Yeah :) shes growing fast!!, showing some defficiencies at the moment, i'll have a good look tonight, something is a little off. Weather is weird, and dry for how cool it is... I also let it run a little too hot last night, should of had 2 morte vents open perhaps. But damn its nice to have that part of the house warm again!

ello mate! I have the same camera you have! Im still learning a lot about it. I mostly use smart mode and macro mode. The instruction manual is so long the way it printed out for me. Its in a very thick binder one sided pages..crazy! I need to study it more. Does your connection to your computer from the camera when uploading pictures seem to take a long time? Im not sure if my wire is bad or the connection into the computer is too lose? Im looking into getting a microscope to study trichomes . Do you have any recommendations? im looking for quality.Thanks mate!
Ello ello!
Nice choice in camera! Big jump from a cannon dslr! But i'm sure you will be pleased. Samsung own the Camera industry in terms of technology :)
I would get a 5-8mp digital video microscope from ebay ;) they are meant for seeing up close, and that many mp for a microscope is more than enough to make your eyes orgasm :p
 

swampwater

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Hey, try 5 gal paint strainers as pot socks (can't find them here). fine nylon mesh. 2 for $5.00 at home depot here. check out a paint store.
 

daveroller

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Flowa, you're right. Those "Pot Socks" aren't easy to find. They must be local to Australia. All I get on an eBay search are a bunch of stockings with pot leaves printed on them.

Anyway, I'll probably just use some nylon netting that's for keeping birds off of a fruit tree -- maybe something finer. Easy to find at Menard's. Thanks for the advice. I'll make sure that the drainage is good and won't break down from chemicals.

BTW, have you ever wondered whether plastics might release harmful chemicals like BPA when exposed to acidic nutrient solution over time? I've started to worry about it, so I'm looking for some food-grade plastic buckets that are maybe a little safer than what I've been using.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a7X-J1DhfjE
 

flowamasta

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ello mate! I have the same camera you have! Im still learning a lot about it. I mostly use smart mode and macro mode. The instruction manual is so long the way it printed out for me. Its in a very thick binder one sided pages..crazy! I need to study it more. Does your connection to your computer from the camera when uploading pictures seem to take a long time? Im not sure if my wire is bad or the connection into the computer is too lose? Im looking into getting a microscope to study trichomes . Do you have any recommendations? im looking for quality.Thanks mate!
forgot to mention, i dont use the wifi for the cam, have lost the connection for some reason, had some stupid encription thing going on, and forgot the keys... but it should be fast. Super fast wifi, 802.11gb/sec its a straight forward single connection, as long as you have the modem, there should be no lag between that and the cam.. as far as i know anyway but i'm no computer nerd thats for sure!

Flowa, you're right. Those "Pot Socks" aren't easy to find. They must be local to Australia. All I get on an eBay search are a bunch of stockings with pot leaves printed on them.

Anyway, I'll probably just use some nylon netting that's for keeping birds off of a fruit tree -- maybe something finer. Easy to find at Menard's. Thanks for the advice. I'll make sure that the drainage is good and won't break down from chemicals.

BTW, have you ever wondered whether plastics might release harmful chemicals like BPA when exposed to acidic nutrient solution over time? I've started to worry about it, so I'm looking for some food-grade plastic buckets that are maybe a little safer than what I've been using.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a7X-J1DhfjE
most plastics these days are inert to chemicals, buckets these days come with the little triangle on the bottom, anything over 3 is good shit. 5 and up is acid resistant like coke bottles... yes thats right, COKE bottles are acid resistant. thats because coke is very acidic not that they tell you that. Even milk bottles. If the plastic has come from a synthetic manufacturer its unlikely that they used organic compounds likely to degrade in chemicals. Chemicals make most plastics and synthetics these days. garden pots are ALL resistant but not all against the sun. UV resistance comes at a higher cost...
 

daveroller

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most plastics these days are inert to chemicals, buckets these days come with the little triangle on the bottom, anything over 3 is good shit. 5 and up is acid resistant like coke bottles... yes thats right, COKE bottles are acid resistant. thats because coke is very acidic not that they tell you that. Even milk bottles. If the plastic has come from a synthetic manufacturer its unlikely that they used organic compounds likely to degrade in chemicals. Chemicals make most plastics and synthetics these days. garden pots are ALL resistant but not all against the sun. UV resistance comes at a higher cost...
Hmmmm.... I gotta disagree with you on this one, Flowamasta, even though you're a god here by right and your knowledge about growing is epic. The number in the triangle just says what basic type of plastic it is: PVC, polycarbonate, PETE, whatever. The value doesn't mean anything else like hardness or resistance to decay. Anyway, every piece of plastic gradually emits chemicals that were added when the plastic was made. Cheaply made plastics give off a lot of carcinogenic and otherwise unhealthy chemicals. Some Chinese companies are notorious for making shitty plastic junk that's really unhealthy to be around. That's mainly because of the additives they put in it. BPA (bisphenol-A) is a widely-used chemical ingredient in polycarbonate (number 7) that's now banned in baby bottles in North America & Europe because it's known to screw with the reproductive system and increases the risk of cancer and other things. It's still used for Coke bottles and many other food containers, but there's some controversy about that. It's political and you know who you should distrust when it's scientists vs politicians. But anyway, lots of plastic containers now advertise that they're free of BPA. Also, some plastics are fine until someone washes them with the wrong cleaning solution.

It makes me especially wonder about that soft plastic Rubbermaid tub that I've been using. I think the softer plastics break down faster than the harder ones do. So I want to at least use something that's meant for holding food and doesn't contain BPA. I went to a homebrewing shop and found a 6.5 gallon plastic bucket that might work. It's hard plastic and doesn't give off any odor at least. And for a reservoir I found a big plastic tray that's meant for meat preparation. Maybe this won't matter, but the more I read about plastic, the more scared I get. The documentary "Plastic Planet" got me started. Watch that and you'll be scared yourself. Sorry that I can't offer better advice about choosing the right kind, though, other than to use a harder plastic that doesn't smell and doesn't contain BPA. That's about the extent of my limited understanding. Anyway, the way I see it, as long as it doesn't cost too much to buy safer containers, why not.

This is no critique of your growing system at all. I don't know what plastic you're using and wouldn't knock it if I did. I just wondered if you might have already thought about the issue in general, to try and pick your big brain a little more. You have a lot of good stuff in there!

Happy Days, Flowaman!
 

flowamasta

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Hmmmm.... I gotta disagree with you on this one, Flowamasta, even though you're a god here by right and your knowledge about growing is epic. The number in the triangle just says what basic type of plastic it is: PVC, polycarbonate, PETE, whatever. The value doesn't mean anything else like hardness or resistance to decay. Anyway, every piece of plastic gradually emits chemicals that were added when the plastic was made. Cheaply made plastics give off a lot of carcinogenic and otherwise unhealthy chemicals. Some Chinese companies are notorious for making shitty plastic junk that's really unhealthy to be around. That's mainly because of the additives they put in it. BPA (bisphenol-A) is a widely-used chemical ingredient in polycarbonate (number 7) that's now banned in baby bottles in North America & Europe because it's known to screw with the reproductive system and increases the risk of cancer and other things. It's still used for Coke bottles and many other food containers, but there's some controversy about that. It's political and you know who you should distrust when it's scientists vs politicians. But anyway, lots of plastic containers now advertise that they're free of BPA. Also, some plastics are fine until someone washes them with the wrong cleaning solution.

It makes me especially wonder about that soft plastic Rubbermaid tub that I've been using. I think the softer plastics break down faster than the harder ones do. So I want to at least use something that's meant for holding food and doesn't contain BPA. I went to a homebrewing shop and found a 6.5 gallon plastic bucket that might work. It's hard plastic and doesn't give off any odor at least. And for a reservoir I found a big plastic tray that's meant for meat preparation. Maybe this won't matter, but the more I read about plastic, the more scared I get. The documentary "Plastic Planet" got me started. Watch that and you'll be scared yourself. Sorry that I can't offer better advice about choosing the right kind, though, other than to use a harder plastic that doesn't smell and doesn't contain BPA. That's about the extent of my limited understanding. Anyway, the way I see it, as long as it doesn't cost too much to buy safer containers, why not.

This is no critique of your growing system at all. I don't know what plastic you're using and wouldn't knock it if I did. I just wondered if you might have already thought about the issue in general, to try and pick your big brain a little more. You have a lot of good stuff in there!

Happy Days, Flowaman!
good info, i am somewhat correct though, not sure as to why you disagree... here's a link to a good site that states what the numbewrs actually mean. 1 is for (1 time use) usually plain water bottles. http://coolrain44.wordpress.com/2009/07/22/plastic-bottles-are-they-safe-what-do-the-numbers-mean/ Not really to worry about with whats used in todays hydro standards. Soft plastics contain more hydrocarbons that may/may not have evaporated. some of those hydrocarbons are solvents therefore making the product breakdown, so it can be recycled.
 

daveroller

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good info, i am somewhat correct though, not sure as to why you disagree... here's a link to a good site that states what the numbewrs actually mean. 1 is for (1 time use) usually plain water bottles. http://coolrain44.wordpress.com/2009/07/22/plastic-bottles-are-they-safe-what-do-the-numbers-mean/ Not really to worry about with whats used in todays hydro standards. Soft plastics contain more hydrocarbons that may/may not have evaporated. some of those hydrocarbons are solvents therefore making the product breakdown, so it can be recycled.
Maybe resin id number 1 corresponds to a plastic that's one-time use, but I think that's just an accident. The page you linked to above doesn't say anything else about the significance of the numbers, except that:

"the higher the number, the less likely recycling centers are to take the item".

Wikipedia actually says that there's NO significance to the magnitude of each code, that the numbers were assigned arbitrarily in no special order.

I was more worried about my soft plastic Rubbermaid tub than anything from a hydro store. Lots of people use those tubs for DWC.

Besides validating everything I wrote above ;-) -- your web page said that plastics with resin id codes of 2, 4 and 5 are safe for holding water, which I didn't know. Number 7 can leach out BPA, though. So you can't just say that the higher numbers are safer in general. That's all I took issue with.

Hmmm... One of my tubs is number 4 LDPE, which should be ok according to this web page. I need to dig deeper to make sure this is really accurate. The brew fermenting bucket was resin id code 2 and didn't have any odor like the soft plastic tubs I have.

Geez, you know something about everything, dude! Were you a chemistry major?
 

Mohican

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I am trying to move to a food grade stainless steel system with some copper items as used by beer brewers. My greenhouse construction is priority 1 right now though.


I took clones of most of the babies and then I will flower them quickly in some small (1 liter) hempy systems to see what is fastest and tastiest :)















Cheers,
Mo
 

flowamasta

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Maybe resin id number 1 corresponds to a plastic that's one-time use, but I think that's just an accident. The page you linked to above doesn't say anything else about the significance of the numbers, except that:

"the higher the number, the less likely recycling centers are to take the item".

Wikipedia actually says that there's NO significance to the magnitude of each code, that the numbers were assigned arbitrarily in no special order.

I was more worried about my soft plastic Rubbermaid tub than anything from a hydro store. Lots of people use those tubs for DWC.

Besides validating everything I wrote above ;-) -- your web page said that plastics with resin id codes of 2, 4 and 5 are safe for holding water, which I didn't know. Number 7 can leach out BPA, though. So you can't just say that the higher numbers are safer in general. That's all I took issue with.

Hmmm... One of my tubs is number 4 LDPE, which should be ok according to this web page. I need to dig deeper to make sure this is really accurate. The brew fermenting bucket was resin id code 2 and didn't have any odor like the soft plastic tubs I have.

Geez, you know something about everything, dude! Were you a chemistry major?
:) that was just a quick search to show what some of the numbers/letters mean, I wasn't aware of a byproduct coming off from a no.7, They have changed the way it goes somehow It used to indicate how many times its been recycled, and year of date.. I've always just made sure if i use any acids or something like that i go for 5 and up, only because of the high density and durability.

Your fermenting bucket may still emit an odor due to the manufacturing process. A good airing out may help, but it may not either, Another thing to remember is how many businesses are sticking to their guidelines? or trying to save some money here and there and producing under standards or inferior product?
There is even Cheap copy brand BIC lighters available almost everywhere and i assure you the plastic is far from that of the reputable 'BIC' company!!
Its like anything these days i guess :( More research is needed and updating as frequently as we eat hot dinners unfortunately.

Cheers for clarifying though, and validating! But no i wasn't a major in chemistry, but i've worked around greenhouse nutrients for a long time, and before that alot of research into acids/alkali and other chemicals and whatnot, just fell into a lucky few jobs, including electroplating, alot of these chemicals were contained in special plastics, and almost always in some sort of plastic, hardly ever metal containers or such.

I am trying to move to a food grade stainless steel system with some copper items as used by beer brewers. My greenhouse construction is priority 1 right now though.


I took clones of most of the babies and then I will flower them quickly in some small (1 liter) hempy systems to see what is fastest and tastiest :)















Cheers,
Mo
Maaan am i looking forward to your greenhouse!! more than summer lol!
Stainless steel is also another one of those picky government things.... There's even a massive difference between food grade and surgical, alot of stainless cookware is hardly stainless, usually just plated in some cheap coating overseas... only to rust from the inside out! You get what you pay for these days absolutely!
 
Hey flow. Got an idea I want to share, and perhaps it's alredy happening. Wouldn't it be good if we could fly to holland, stay 3 months on a tourist Viza, apply for the legit growing papers, rent a grow area and equipment, and grow legally for 3months.

Wouldn't that be sweet
 

flowamasta

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Hey flow. Got an idea I want to share, and perhaps it's alredy happening. Wouldn't it be good if we could fly to holland, stay 3 months on a tourist Viza, apply for the legit growing papers, rent a grow area and equipment, and grow legally for 3months.

Wouldn't that be sweet
LOL :) it happens.... in my dreams anyway at the moment!

Here's my Amster clone flowering in a small greenhouse :)











Here is Gnine!!! Day 20 grow phase...







Flying ahead, go a few more weeks of vegging this fat girl and its gonna be a nice full tent.
 

flowamasta

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Hey FM - What size bulb are you using and what is your veg light schedule?

Thanks,
Mo
Hey Mo! great to see you here! cant stop thinking about your greenhouse :p will she need any baby-sitting?? ;) ;)

My light schedule is 18/6 at the moment i might bump it up to 20/4 to make her bush out a little more, i want to stretch this growing phase for as long as i can. My bulb is a dual spec Philips AGRO SON-T and just running that until flowering, where i'll turn the other HPS on which is more red spectrum influenced and only runs for a few hours a night to simulate autumn weather!. I can safely run both in there as the dual spec is cooled by the hood, as for now anyway. I plan to change things soon, but still researching a little so i can make something unique.
Looking awesome as always Flowa :D

The clone in the greenhouse looks wicked too, sooo many trichs on her!!
:) Thanx easty! She might not be thick and heavy, but the trichs and colour sure make up for it :) in my world anyway! she's made some beautiful photography, in fact so good that mrs flowa want some shots printed A2 size! Mrs flowa gets what she wants cause she puts up with all my smoking habits not to mention smells beyond that of an average garden of roses. I'm keen to see the Gnine flower. I've been told 'nothing but rock hard stinky nugz' BUT thats what they said. I seem to be able to get fluffy/dense without the nuggety shrunk tight feeling, and i gotta say... nothing wrong with fluffy nugz, when they are dripping with resin glands and making your eyes water with anticipation.... its hard not to. She will be a stocky strain, i can see in the tight node spacing, so she won't need any shortening from PGR's, I'm going to baby her through flowering, and give her the best of gold range Dutch Masters. Everything i can throw at her within moderation ;) she can take it :p already drinking her res in 3 days.
 
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