Want your plants to take N from the air around it? NEW DISCOVERY

HGK420

HGK420

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http://phys.org/news/2013-07-world-technology-enables-crops-nitrogen.html#ajTabs

check it out. beneficial bacteria that provides nitrogen out of the air. this could mean a whole new type of crop feeding schedule. i can see it now brings of some sort of fungus that creates air thats higher in N for your plants lol.

what do you guys think? i know I'm lookin to order some myself to try it out so let me know if you guys find it anywhere il come back here and post if if find it myself.
 
Rrog

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I'm thinking I'd rather feed a plant the way a plant was meant to be fed. If there was a problem with soil, or we were traveling to space, that might be different. IMHO
 
ProfessorPotSnob

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Ever thought of just using Nitrogen Fixing Bacteria ? This may interest you as well !:lol:


Rhizobiotics – Nitrogen Fixing Bacteria Products

Nitrogen fixing bacteria are truly one of the wonders of nature. These bacteria, often found associated with the roots of certain plants such as clovers, have the ability to pull atmospheric nitrogen out of the air, convert it into ammonia to provide organic nitrogen compounds to the plant as a vital nutrient.
As the beneficial nitrogen fixing bacteria proliferate in your soil it will reduce, if not completely eliminate the need for nitrogen-based chemical fertilizers in your garden. Nitrogen-based fertilizers are one of the culprits in water pollution run-off.
All Rhizobiotics – Nitrogen Fixing Bacteria Products are compatible with organic and natural gardening practices, and will naturally help to increase the yields of your heirloom fruits, legumes and vegetables. These products are suitable to use around children and pets and is safe to our waterways.
Rhizobiotics – Nitrogen Fixing Bacteria Research

The use of Nitrogen Fixing Bacteria in place of fertilizers that negatively impact the environment has gained worldwide acceptance. As many of our gardening friends often enjoy reading technical information, we have included the following synopsis of a scientific article along with the title of the original paper:
'Biofertilizers such as microbial inoculants, which can promote plant growth and productivity, have internationally been accepted as an alternative source of N[Nitrogen-based]-fertilizers. They are environmental friendly and can be used to ensure a sustainable banana production. In the biofertilizer technology, new systems are being developed to increase biological nitrogen fixation (BNF) for cereals and other non-legumes, by establishing N2-fixing bacteria in plant roots (Cocking, 2000).'
Quoted from:
Effect of plant growth promoting rhizobacterial (PGPR) inoculation on growth and nitrogen incorporation of tissue-cultured Musa plantlets under nitrogen-free hydroponics condition


http://www.rhizobiotics.com/Nitrogen_c_9.html
 
Rrog

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I plant clover between grows sometimes for the N-fixing. Also, the microbes sense the live roots of the clover and help consume the old root ball.
 
Bahzooka

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HGK420 said:
http://phys.org/news/2013-07-world-technology-enables-crops-nitrogen.html#ajTabs

check it out. beneficial bacteria that provides nitrogen out of the air. this could mean a whole new type of crop feeding schedule. i can see it now brings of some sort of fungus that creates air thats higher in N for your plants lol.

what do you guys think? i know I'm lookin to order some myself to try it out so let me know if you guys find it anywhere il come back here and post if if find it myself.
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Think outside your grow room!
I think this can/will mean big things for big agriculture. Petroleum based nitrogen is being flooded into our soil and into our water (by big agg), this is a step in the right direction. If it was implemented this would mean less to no petroleum based fertilizers, and it would help with air pollution.
 
Rrog

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There are plenty of natural N sources now. We don't need oil for fertilizer, but we don't need more corporate products, either.

In fact, I have to head to the can to relive myself of some natural, concentrated liquid N.
 
HGK420

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ProfessorPotSnob said:
Ever thought of just using Nitrogen Fixing Bacteria ? This may interest you as well !:lol:


Rhizobiotics – Nitrogen Fixing Bacteria Products

Nitrogen fixing bacteria are truly one of the wonders of nature. These bacteria, often found associated with the roots of certain plants such as clovers, have the ability to pull atmospheric nitrogen out of the air, convert it into ammonia to provide organic nitrogen compounds to the plant as a vital nutrient.
As the beneficial nitrogen fixing bacteria proliferate in your soil it will reduce, if not completely eliminate the need for nitrogen-based chemical fertilizers in your garden. Nitrogen-based fertilizers are one of the culprits in water pollution run-off.
All Rhizobiotics – Nitrogen Fixing Bacteria Products are compatible with organic and natural gardening practices, and will naturally help to increase the yields of your heirloom fruits, legumes and vegetables. These products are suitable to use around children and pets and is safe to our waterways.
Rhizobiotics – Nitrogen Fixing Bacteria Research

The use of Nitrogen Fixing Bacteria in place of fertilizers that negatively impact the environment has gained worldwide acceptance. As many of our gardening friends often enjoy reading technical information, we have included the following synopsis of a scientific article along with the title of the original paper:
'Biofertilizers such as microbial inoculants, which can promote plant growth and productivity, have internationally been accepted as an alternative source of N[Nitrogen-based]-fertilizers. They are environmental friendly and can be used to ensure a sustainable banana production. In the biofertilizer technology, new systems are being developed to increase biological nitrogen fixation (BNF) for cereals and other non-legumes, by establishing N2-fixing bacteria in plant roots (Cocking, 2000).'
Quoted from:
Effect of plant growth promoting rhizobacterial (PGPR) inoculation on growth and nitrogen incorporation of tissue-cultured Musa plantlets under nitrogen-free hydroponics condition


http://www.rhizobiotics.com/Nitrogen_c_9.html
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I was curious about rhizos but don't they just live on the surface? once again if you put you rhizos into the soil don't they just eat and support your root ball.

this is talking about absorbing some sort of bacteria from sugar cane that actually colonizes the plant allowing the plant itself to absorb the nitrogen.
 
Rrog

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No offense, but re-programming bacteria to feed a plant through its leaves isn't the future any more than oil-based fertilizer was.
 
HGK420

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this isn't a corporate product either we are talking about a university that just discovered a new technique...... no one is trying to steal all your money.

i worked at the grow shop for many moons i won't bring you some bull shit like most. I've watched people get sold on advanced nutrients and "sea of green" being told they will "double your yields" that shit pisses me off more then anything.

this is science and information not a fucking sales pitch. if my plants can absorb all the N it needs without me having to find the perfect N rate for every different pheno i got then FUCK YA I'm jumping on board. but that all depends on if the plant is left in control of how much N it gets. if the amount of N is based on the concentration of the bacteria then i think it could turn out problematic for a diverse room like mine and most others.

don't be so scared of new things people. you just need to be able to decipher whats legit and not.

i feel like i came here and linked you guys to fucking Brawndo.com and told you its gonna be the future. ITS GOT WHAT PLANTS CRAVE!@
 
HGK420

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if they are colonized IN the plant and not living ON THE SURFACE then yes its very new from everything I've ever read. no known bacteria before this does what it does.
 
Rrog

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Just curious, if scientists invented a bacterial cream that allowed you to avoid eating and instead receive all nutrients through your skin, would you see that as progress? That's a serious question, but if that appears argumentative, I'll retract.

Given how N is such a non-problem now, what problem is being solved here? Seems to be much more of a scientific oddity than a harbinger of future tech.
 
HGK420

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for one thats not even remotely close to whats going on.

Chemical % by volume
Nitrogen (N2) 78.08
Oxygen (O2) 20.95
Argon (Ar) 0.93
Carbon Dioxide (CO2) 0.033
Other trace elements 0.007

This is the makeup of air.

thats a lot of nitrogen thats available right there all around you.

Now if maybe they came up with a pro-biotic that allowed us to get our oxygen through out skin and not just our lungs THEN FUCK YA il be all about it. or if we got The perfect amount of Protein through the air. FUCK YA protein is so hard to control based on how much you work your body. i run at around 4% body fat and at my peak (either end) i was at 1.2% at my lowest and 30% at my highest. i lost almost 100 pounds in just over a year by working out NON stop and making sure to TRY to eat right. now thats the key word their TRY. protein intake like nitrogen (they are kinda related in chemistry terms) is very hard to get right. its all based on how much you need at the moment and how much you are working out. THEIRS SO MANY VARIABLES that if i could take a pro biotic that they would just regulate the intake of protein for me so i could then work out to my hearts content and gain muscle at a steady rate then i say it again FUCK YA I WOULD DO IT.

now as for our plants. every seed is different and every single minute that changes. so one second one plant wants so much but then the next wants a different amount and then the next day it changes and changes and changes and changes.

Stretchy plant come from too much N. most people don't even know they are using too much N cause there plants are nice and green.

shitty leafy impossible to trim plants are from too much N

Stretchy plants can also come from NOT ENOUGH N. N is a very finicky nute that if i didn't have to be in control of, life would be a lot easier. plants would be a lot healthier too if they were left in control of N.

Feeding your plants N you also feed them whatever was used to break down the N or whatever was in the chickens who pooped it out or gave you their feathers. your giving your plants a lot more then JUST N

if i can feed bacteria that my plant absorbs that allows itself to be colonized for the purpose of absorbing PURE N out of the air around it at the plants discretion THEN FUCK YA il be doing that too. at least giving it a try

the wild card for sure is if its under the plants control or not. I'm worried the bacteria will just absorb at a static rate and the amount of N is solely based on how many bacteria are living in your plant. that doesn't make it any easier then just feeding your plant when you feel it needs it so yes if thats the case its just a silly sidestep BUT if i can give my plant the power to pull N on its own..... well thats just fucking magical
 
HGK420

HGK420

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and i think your down playing it because you don't understand whats going on.

why wouldn't you want your plant to absorb Pure N out the air around it?
 
Rrog

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I have 4 year degrees in Bio and Chem. The science doesn't escape me. Sorry that I have to sound like a know-it-all turd.
 
HGK420

HGK420

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you didn't answer my question


why wouldn't you want your plant to be able to absorb N as it needs?
 
HGK420

HGK420

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You know more about what your plant needs then it does?

that 4 year degree got a minor in plant ESP?
 
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