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Winter Woman

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A surgeon who told a patient he had successfully removed her brain tumour and urged her not to seek further treatment had in fact not removed it, a misconduct hearing has heard.
Emmanuel Labram allegedly convinced his patient that she was healthy for two years after operating a tumour growing at the base of her brain. By the time she sought private help, her tumour was inoperable, according to the Times.
Mr Labram is now appearing before a Medical Practitioners Tribunal Hearing.
He allegedly operated on the woman at Aberdeen Royal Infirmary in September 2008, where instead of removing the legion, which at the time of discovery in 2007 was an inch in diameter, he removed four fragments.
After the operation, Mr Labram allegedly assured the woman, referred to as Patient A, and her husband that everything had progressed well during the operation, forging medical documents to continue the deception, the Medical Practitioners Tribunal Service heard.
The General Medical Counsel claims that In January 2009, he is altered a pathology report and sent letters to the woman’s GP indicating that she was healthy. They also claim that he then failed to pass on the results of two MRI scans, only admitting the presence of the tumour on a third scan and that he told the woman that the tumour must have reoccurred.
Craig Sephton, QC, for the General Medical Council, said: “It is difficult to understand why Mr Labram initially told the patient and her husband that he had completely removed the lesion when he must have known that no such thing had happened. He then lied and lied and lied in order to cover up his initial failure and the GMC will therefore invite you to conclude that is what has happened.”
“Mr Labram gave Patient A’s husband a vivid description of how he had removed the tumour and informed Patient A the surgery had gone well,” said Mr Sephton. “In fact, he had not excised the lesion at all.”
He has not appeared at the Manchester Tribunal since he made a failed bid to be voluntarily taken off the medical register. The hearing continues.
 

schuylaar

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A surgeon who told a patient he had successfully removed her brain tumour and urged her not to seek further treatment had in fact not removed it, a misconduct hearing has heard.
Emmanuel Labram allegedly convinced his patient that she was healthy for two years after operating a tumour growing at the base of her brain. By the time she sought private help, her tumour was inoperable, according to the Times.
Mr Labram is now appearing before a Medical Practitioners Tribunal Hearing.
He allegedly operated on the woman at Aberdeen Royal Infirmary in September 2008, where instead of removing the legion, which at the time of discovery in 2007 was an inch in diameter, he removed four fragments.
After the operation, Mr Labram allegedly assured the woman, referred to as Patient A, and her husband that everything had progressed well during the operation, forging medical documents to continue the deception, the Medical Practitioners Tribunal Service heard.
The General Medical Counsel claims that In January 2009, he is altered a pathology report and sent letters to the woman’s GP indicating that she was healthy. They also claim that he then failed to pass on the results of two MRI scans, only admitting the presence of the tumour on a third scan and that he told the woman that the tumour must have reoccurred.
Craig Sephton, QC, for the General Medical Council, said: “It is difficult to understand why Mr Labram initially told the patient and her husband that he had completely removed the lesion when he must have known that no such thing had happened. He then lied and lied and lied in order to cover up his initial failure and the GMC will therefore invite you to conclude that is what has happened.”
“Mr Labram gave Patient A’s husband a vivid description of how he had removed the tumour and informed Patient A the surgery had gone well,” said Mr Sephton. “In fact, he had not excised the lesion at all.”
He has not appeared at the Manchester Tribunal since he made a failed bid to be voluntarily taken off the medical register. The hearing continues.
This suspiciously sounds like the UK..
 

ilikecheetoes

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probably, but this article is a non-sequitor. in other words. wtf does this article have to do with obeezycare?
it doesnt mention a deathpanel.
it doesnt mention the doctor not being paid enough to do proper surgery.
it doesnt mention a long wiat for services.

basically this is the kind of shit that makes us all look like sarah palin. so good job on that.

/thread
 

schuylaar

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This is what Obamacare will look like. You might as well get used to it now.
What I'm looking forward to with the ACA is:

1. having medical and dental healthcare
2. not being turned down or carved out of pre-existing condition
3. no waiting periods while i'm paying premiums ie; dental 6 months wait to be covered for any acute services
4. no insurance companies denying healthcare or services because of their intended profit margin off you is not where managed health wants it
5. paying approximately 50% less for monthly premiums..my COBRA was 600$/per month until it ran out..oy vey, such a deal!
6. no longer having to pay out of pocket for expensive medications that are 200$ and 300$ per month because big pharma wants its cut too..
7. mandatory health creates health/premium pools and we are better off in the pool..trust me I worked in the industry
 

schuylaar

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What I'm looking forward to with the ACA is:

1. having medical and dental healthcare
2. not being turned down or carved out of pre-existing condition
3. no waiting periods while i'm paying premiums ie; dental 6 months wait to be covered for any acute services
4. no insurance companies denying healthcare or services because of their intended profit margin off you is not where managed health wants it
5. paying approximately 50% less for monthly premiums..my COBRA was 600$/per month until it ran out..oy vey, such a deal!
6. no longer having to pay out of pocket for expensive medications that are 200$ and 300$ per month because big pharma wants its cut too..
7. mandatory health creates health/premium pools and we are better off in the pool..trust me I worked in the industry
EDIT: I believe I heard the other day that the US is the only industrialized nation whose prescription medications have increased over the years, instead of decreased..Big Pharma is a scoundrel and one THE major reasons why weed is not legal..

Once everyone has been on this after 24 months..I'd like to take a poll and see who would like to give it up?

Remember Social Security??????? Want to give that up???? the 'Pubs fought as hard as they did and I can't find ONE who want to give it up..

the ACA also closes up the "donut hole" with medicare part d which is a BIG bone of contention with seniors..
 

echelon1k1

New Member
What I'm looking forward to with the ACA is:

1. having medical and dental healthcare
2. not being turned down or carved out of pre-existing condition
3. no waiting periods while i'm paying premiums ie; dental 6 months wait to be covered for any acute services
4. no insurance companies denying healthcare or services because of their intended profit margin off you is not where managed health wants it
5. paying approximately 50% less for monthly premiums..my COBRA was 600$/per month until it ran out..oy vey, such a deal!
6. no longer having to pay out of pocket for expensive medications that are 200$ and 300$ per month because big pharma wants its cut too..
7. mandatory health creates health/premium pools and we are better off in the pool..trust me I worked in the industry
Fuck me... my missus pays $46 p/month for full coverage that includes everything. Ambulance, Optical, Dental even relaxation massages are covered and rebated...

Why doesn't the US look to other countries where universal healthcare works....? you need only look north towards Canada for a model that works
 

ilikecheetoes

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thats all good pie in the sky thinking.
#3: maybe, but like UK/canada youll wait for actual service. or just wont get it if not deemed cost effective.
#5: yea right. even if it goes down a cunt-hair youll pay somewhere else. nothing is free. my health insurance went up 32% this year.

all the stuff above could be fixed by allowing insurance over state lines. relaxing regulations.

but didnt we have this argument in 2009?
 

canndo

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thats all good pie in the sky thinking.
#3: maybe, but like UK/canada youll wait for actual service. or just wont get it if not deemed cost effective.
#5: yea right. even if it goes down a cunt-hair youll pay somewhere else. nothing is free. my health insurance went up 32% this year.

all the stuff above could be fixed by allowing insurance over state lines. relaxing regulations.

but didnt we have this argument in 2009?
What is this comparison? My PRIVATE carrier, the one I pay 700 a month for decides what meds I really need and if it deems them otherwise, they ignore my doctor. If there is a procedure thngey feel is not effective, I don't get it, If I do get it and they don't like the cost they raise my rates. You are kidding yourself about those state line things, there is nothing anywhere that says that any insurer can't register in every state in the union. Know why they don't? because they find it more profitable not to compete "you take Nevada, I'll take new jersey" kind of thinking. Regulations? how are you going to do that? currently the individual states regulate insurers, so you want the Feds to do it? What you are saying is inherited from insurance company plants that want you to think what you are thinking. Seems to be working, look a little deeper.
 

ilikecheetoes

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I'd give up SSI in a second.
Fucking asshats cant manage money. I give them 7.5% of my paycheck and they cant even get me a 10% return. If I can pull 12% returns even during the crash a few years ago Im pretty sure I'd be better off managing my own money.

you see I'm not a retarded wastoid that needs uncle sam to take care of me when im old. I dont need or want your welfare. I just want to be left alone. I want my work to be mine and not be required to give 45% in real taxes and another 15% in hidden taxes..
 

ilikecheetoes

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insurance companies are scumbags. I dont dispute that. But the free market would lower prices. Hell Ill start an insurance company that only does catastraphic coverage and only for people 16-35. oh wait im not allowed to.

so wait are you saying there is price fixing and colusion in the insurance industry? Hell there should be a law against that.
 

schuylaar

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I'd give up SSI in a second.
Fucking asshats cant manage money. I give them 7.5% of my paycheck and they cant even get me a 10% return. If I can pull 12% returns even during the crash a few years ago Im pretty sure I'd be better off managing my own money.

you see I'm not a retarded wastoid that needs uncle sam to take care of me when im old. I dont need or want your welfare. I just want to be left alone. I want my work to be mine and not be required to give 45% in real taxes and another 15% in hidden taxes..
well with SS, your employer had to contribute the same 7.65% and 1.45% for medicare..must say it's certainly better than nothing and most people don't save and/or invest properly throughout the years..employers got rid of pension and went to the 401k model. You would be the exception to the rule..last report I heard was people still not doing anything until almost 60, which is way to late IMO...especially with average life expectancy increasing as it is..
 

Winter Woman

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Fuck me... my missus pays $46 p/month for full coverage that includes everything. Ambulance, Optical, Dental even relaxation massages are covered and rebated...

Why doesn't the US look to other countries where universal healthcare works....? you need only look north towards Canada for a model that works
If it works why then did my aunt who lives in London, Ont have to wait 6 months for a CT scan after she fell?
 

nontheist

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What I'm looking forward to with the ACA is:

1. having medical and dental healthcare
ACA is not health care, it's a mandate to make people currently uninsured to pay for insurance.
2. not being turned down or carved out of pre-existing condition
This is not cut and dry, some people will still have problems and fall into far more expensive coverage pools.
3. no waiting periods while i'm paying premiums ie; dental 6 months wait to be covered for any acute services
Not sure about this
4. no insurance companies denying healthcare or services because of their intended profit margin off you is not where managed health wants it
ACA will do very little to nothing about this, your insurance company will still deny your ass if it sees fit.
5. paying approximately 50% less for monthly premiums..my COBRA was 600$/per month until it ran out..oy vey, such a deal!
Well good for you, you can effectively start riding on the backs of healthy Americans that have to pay more.
6. no longer having to pay out of pocket for expensive medications that are 200$ and 300$ per month because big pharma wants its cut too..
Bullshit, if the insurance doesn't want to pay for a medication it won't, it happens all the time and will continue.
7. mandatory health creates health/premium pools and we are better off in the pool..trust me I worked in the industry
This is mandatory insurance not health care, you're talking about two completely different things.
People think a fairy winkle is going to come by and shit all the extra money this is going to take. Do you know why Obama wants to postpone ACA? Because the clusterfuck this shitty bill is.
 

ilikecheetoes

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i am the employer. so that other half I didnt even mention, but yea I get double fucked with no grease.
i dont care about other people. I manage my finances and the rest of my life and dont want or need other people or government to take care of me.
those people should probably take some personal responsibility and save something for retirement.
this spoon feeding bullshit is whats bringing down the country. its never anybody's fault.
ill get an obamphone, some welfare cheese and the gubment will take care of me when I retire from my minimum wage job that I protested in the street to get $15/hr for.
 

Winter Woman

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There will be no SS when I or you retire. Only those already on it will get it or should I say get to keep it.
 

Rob Roy

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What I'm looking forward to with the ACA is:

1. having medical and dental healthcare
2. not being turned down or carved out of pre-existing condition
3. no waiting periods while i'm paying premiums ie; dental 6 months wait to be covered for any acute services
4. no insurance companies denying healthcare or services because of their intended profit margin off you is not where managed health wants it
5. paying approximately 50% less for monthly premiums..my COBRA was 600$/per month until it ran out..oy vey, such a deal!
6. no longer having to pay out of pocket for expensive medications that are 200$ and 300$ per month because big pharma wants its cut too..
7. mandatory health creates health/premium pools and we are better off in the pool..trust me I worked in the industry

Mandatory government programs? Nope. People are better off when they make their own choices and others don't use force against them. Why do you like the use of force against people that just want to be left alone? Who owns you?
 
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