odd cloning problem

[Nutes and Nugs]

this did seem confined to just my star trek, but now it is completely random.

home depot's perlite contains 1-1-1 or something like that, so nothing worth writing home about. and i've used it for years with no problem. i don't think it's the MG perlite.

I know the feeling.
Had a 98% rate drop to 50%. WTF?
Same old - same old technique.

Planetary alignment? Carma?

 

[jondamon]

Those rooter plugs look like they are made from a sponge material.

Could be experiencing the wicking problem I mentioned.


Have you tried watering small amounts a little more frequently where the plug is located within your transplanted medium?

Could be something and nothing but worth a try IMO.




J

 

[UncleBuck]

Those rooter plugs look like they are made from a sponge material.

Could be experiencing the wicking problem I mentioned.


Have you tried watering small amounts a little more frequently where the plug is located within your transplanted medium?

Could be something and nothing but worth a try IMO.




J

something is never nothing

now that you mention it, my best, most rapid growth occurred not in those little cups, but in a larger N1 container with just a drizzling of water around the edge of the container.

i might try that again as well.

 

[amgprb]

I use those rooter plugs and like you, have almost 100% success rate. They look happy and healthy in that picture of them still in the trays. I believe your problem lies soley in the soil. I used to run roots organic, could it be the soil is to hot for the young cuttings? I am currently using 1/3 Just Rite-formula 420, 1/3 Pro Mix, and 1/3 Perlite and my cutting LOVE it!

 

[UncleBuck]

the latest batch of 24 is pretty much rooted. 15 of them had decent roots so i transplanted them into soil tonight.

i bought brand new solo cups to put them in.

i used the same soil, roots greenlite cut with some perlite and watered them in normally.

half of them went under a humidity dome. the other half were too tall for the dome, so they are getting the normal treatment.

will report back on results over the next few days. if this fails, i'll try a different soil mix.

 

[mr sunshine]

Is it possible that the ones that dont survive dont have sufficient roots ?

 

[UncleBuck]

Is it possible that the ones that dont survive dont have sufficient roots ?

definitely not.

 

[mr sunshine]

The other day i made some blue smerf clones. Cloned some outdoor plants i guess their where some anphids i didn't see when i took the cuttings two weeks later dome was infested but they still rooted. Fuck bro i dont know if i think of anything ill get back to you!

 

[Mad Hamish]

Uncle Buck, I don't know if this will in any way help, but I just hit a 100 percent success rate in 7-10 days. I got rid of my domes, using an extremely tightly controlled environment far as temps go instead. I build a wooden box, treated with fungicidal paint, 60cm by 60cm by 120cm (apologies I am too ripped to convert from metric my math down the tubes when this stoned), got a 60w CFL in there and a heating pad for the floor, passive vents under heating pad.
Connected a thermostat to my two extractor fans running in line with the CFL, so it's sitting at 77.9F EXACTLY all the time. The fans don't kick on all that often so the humidity is higher than normal but not a sauna-like 80 percent.
It's taken all the effort out of 'hardening off', after the first transplant I get them back into the box so the soil temp gets up to a nice warm 70 to 75 F for 2 days or so, then they go straight under HID.

Really adapting a lot swifter and easier now.

Like I said, don't know if it will help you at all, but I built this thing on the cheap using stuff I had and so far I would've easily paid a few hundred bucks for it just because of how well it is working.

 

[UncleBuck]

Uncle Buck, I don't know if this will in any way help, but I just hit a 100 percent success rate in 7-10 days. I got rid of my domes, using an extremely tightly controlled environment far as temps go instead. I build a wooden box, treated with fungicidal paint, 60cm by 60cm by 120cm (apologies I am too ripped to convert from metric my math down the tubes when this stoned), got a 60w CFL in there and a heating pad for the floor, passive vents under heating pad.
Connected a thermostat to my two extractor fans running in line with the CFL, so it's sitting at 77.9F EXACTLY all the time. The fans don't kick on all that often so the humidity is higher than normal but not a sauna-like 80 percent.
It's taken all the effort out of 'hardening off', after the first transplant I get them back into the box so the soil temp gets up to a nice warm 70 to 75 F for 2 days or so, then they go straight under HID.

Really adapting a lot swifter and easier now.

Like I said, don't know if it will help you at all, but I built this thing on the cheap using stuff I had and so far I would've easily paid a few hundred bucks for it just because of how well it is working.

i've got the cloning part down, and our setups are not too dissimilar. it's the "hardening off" as you call it, or the transition from tray to soil in my case.

i'm just eliminating variables at this point to try and figure out the culprit. i've arrived at 95% or more cloning success and always had 95% (or better) transition success. the recent aberrations are due to something that i need to pinpoint.

 

[Mad Hamish]

Do you guys get cutworms out there? I had a badass issue with them a few years ago in a soil I cooked myself. They weren't clones, but bigger transplants. Took me a while to figure out, ended up the goddamn cutworms were having a feast on my roots.

Could it be some dumbass bug got eggs into your soil? You dug up a failed one and checked if the roots got munched yet?

Must be frustrating as fuck man. I bet you nail it before tomorrow still.

 

[stoned cockatoo]

Hi Buck I feel the problem may have something to do with the colour of the solo cups, can you get blue?

 

[HDPursuit]

Must be driving you crazy, trying to find the 'ahha' moment. Can't wait to hear what it was. I couldn't clone worth a damn in pellets, so I built a 15$ bubble cloner and never looked back. Good to see the pro's like you Uncle Buck still come to RUI, you've helped me greatly getting off the ground. Thank You. Your variables are limited so I vote soil is the culprit

 

[ArCaned]

It's your negative energy that's killing them. You clearly have some growing experiences to share, but the vast majority of your posts that I have read--and you have a lot of them--are mean spirited and condescending. Only a total noob or a badspirited person loses 14 out of 16 clones. Are you a noob? Didn't think so. Check your energy level and what you're putting out into the world. No amount of perlite will overcome a wretched energy field. Or you can blame it on the strain, baby.

Wow what a load of bullshit. Check your energy levels man. Fucking kryptonite needs recharging again. /facepalm

 

[UncleBuck]

Do you guys get cutworms out there? I had a badass issue with them a few years ago in a soil I cooked myself. They weren't clones, but bigger transplants. Took me a while to figure out, ended up the goddamn cutworms were having a feast on my roots.

Could it be some dumbass bug got eggs into your soil? You dug up a failed one and checked if the roots got munched yet?

Must be frustrating as fuck man. I bet you nail it before tomorrow still.

the roots are all still there when i dig up the losers, they just look limp, slightly off color, and overall unhealthy.

on the plus side, all 8 that i transplanted as normal into brand new cups survived and are doing well 4 days later. the ones i kept under the dome had a few deaths though, so the dome is out. i thought that might have been the culprit, but i suppose not.*

the ones right by the exhaust fan never die, maybe they like transpiring and drying out quicker. who knows.

 

[ProfessorPotSnob]

Damp off/root rot due to pythium , could just be a contaminated batch of soil with ideal conditions as mentioned

 

[RockyMtnMan]

I have a theory based on the one photo of the clone in the plug with the nice white roots.
When you apply the rooting hormone it also contains an acid which prevents bacterial growth and fungus from forming on your rooting stem.

As you deplete your supply of rooting powder, you probably have to push the stem further in the bottle and shake it, to get the powder to adhere.
The photo I saw looked like a lot of the powder was applied to an area above the surface of the rooting medium. I would be curious if the clones that survived didn't have as much, if any of the powder residue above the moisture level.
The acids in the powder(it's on the bottle) could be breaking down the stem and restricting the plants ability to up-take nutrients water etc.
This would explain your success rate when the bottle was fuller as you would have only had to dip the end of the cut stem in the powder to apply.
Is your rooting powder bottle full or are you shaking, dusting the powder on? Check the ones that die vs the survivors and see which were dipped neatly and which had excess powder on the upper stem.
That's all I got, I read the whole thread. The roots are white and healthy, and I do everything the same except with rockwool cubes. I gently pull away any of the cube I can before dropping in soil.

 

[DANKSWAG]

so two weeks ago, i had a batch of 16 rooted clones. i put them in a solo cup of roots organic soil like i always do and watered them in.

three days later, 14 of 16 were just dead. deader than fried chicken.

i thought that maybe it was because i had not cut the soil with enough perlite or watered too heavily, even though i had done that before with no problems.

so the latest batch of 24 clones were ready for soil a few days ago. this time, i cut the same soil more heavily with perlite and barely wetted the soil.

well, this time 6 of the 24 keeled over dead.

i've got the hard part down, which is getting the clones to root. after lots of trial and error, i am able to manage nearly 100% success with the clones a healthy green when they're ready for soil.

but the easy part is now confounding me. never had this happen before, and frankly i'm not sure why.

here is a pic of a clone that made it versus one that clearly didn't.

any advice, criticism, angry comments, or outright derision is welcomed.

I wonder if it is just that batch of soil, as a seasoned grower I know your using clean instruments, proper water for cuttings etc...
My guess is that you just probably got some HOT soil, thus the lesser degree of loss on next clone set. Nonetheless I never use roots for cloning but a lighter version Black Gold Organic Potting Soil the one with the tomato on it. I also dip my cuttings in cloneX.

Here are my babies Blue Cheese Clones and 2 Seedlings AK47xG13

 

[kinddiesel]

your temps to hot ? my problem in the summer I run so much shit. I cant keep it under 82 f ! ok with co2, but notttttt for new clones or even vegging hardly any roots at all grow, in the winter ill get 100 success rate . if your clones had at least 2 inches growth on the roots, and they dryed up that's a mystery to me as well

 

[UncleBuck]

Damp off/root rot due to pythium , could just be a contaminated batch of soil with ideal conditions as mentioned

that's exactly what it looks like, but it's just odd to see it so suddenly.

i hate blaming a bad batch of soil, but i did just notice a mushroom growing out of a healthy veg plant's soil.



could explain some other things too. it's been an odd summer indoors. thankfully the sun is shining outdoors.

I have a theory based on the one photo of the clone in the plug with the nice white roots.
When you apply the rooting hormone it also contains an acid which prevents bacterial growth and fungus from forming on your rooting stem.

As you deplete your supply of rooting powder, you probably have to push the stem further in the bottle and shake it, to get the powder to adhere.
The photo I saw looked like a lot of the powder was applied to an area above the surface of the rooting medium. I would be curious if the clones that survived didn't have as much, if any of the powder residue above the moisture level.
The acids in the powder(it's on the bottle) could be breaking down the stem and restricting the plants ability to up-take nutrients water etc.
This would explain your success rate when the bottle was fuller as you would have only had to dip the end of the cut stem in the powder to apply.
Is your rooting powder bottle full or are you shaking, dusting the powder on? Check the ones that die vs the survivors and see which were dipped neatly and which had excess powder on the upper stem.
That's all I got, I read the whole thread. The roots are white and healthy, and I do everything the same except with rockwool cubes. I gently pull away any of the cube I can before dropping in soil.

i buy a new bottle of powder every batch, but i do like your theory.

i usually dip as deep as i can and leave a little rooting hormone above the medium, never been a problem before.

your temps to hot ? my problem in the summer I run so much shit. I cant keep it under 82 f ! ok with co2, but notttttt for new clones or even vegging hardly any roots at all grow, in the winter ill get 100 success rate . if your clones had at least 2 inches growth on the roots, and they dryed up that's a mystery to me as well

summer temps usually make all aspects of cloning easier. they seem to like a nice warm temp when rooting and establishing.

my success rate has been near 95-100% in the summer, and might drop down ten points in the winter.