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[NLXSK1]

NO they are not.
Car companys are not forced to put seat belts in cars niether

Both can sell their products elsewhere

You just completely reinforced my point.

Obamacare is forcing health care companies to drop individual coverage because it is too expensive. They will not be offering it.

In addition, Obamacare is forcing the 40 hour work week to drop to a 30 hour work week.

It is all about force but since it is a liberal socialist democrat in the white house it is ok with you...

 

[Rob Roy]

you know i was just reading up on this..you can have a catastrophic policy..high deductible..you have to be under age 30 though..additionally, health subsidies are based upon income..you do have access to your own doctor and if you have had the policy in place prior to 2010, you will be grandfathered in with your existing policy if you'd like..there will be hmo, ppo, pos..several levels and deductibles bronze, silver, gold & platinum..additionally, your state may be included in medicaid expansion for those with poverty level incomes..

If there is no option NOT to participate, then all of the so called "options" you present are meaningless and tactically the same measures a rapist uses. If a rapist offers you "choices" of how you will be raped, no real "choice" exists.

 

[ChesusRice]

You just completely reinforced my point.

Obamacare is forcing health care companies to drop individual coverage because it is too expensive. They will not be offering it.
Name one

In addition, Obamacare is forcing the 40 hour work week to drop to a 30 hour work week.

Business's are doing that for a flexible work force to meet demand when needed
It is all about force but since it is a liberal socialist democrat in the white house it is ok with you...

Funny how a Republican Idea is a bad one since the Black guy got elected 2x


December 2, 1993 - Leading conservative operative William Kristol privately circulates a strategy document to Republicans in Congress. Kristol writes that congressional Republicans should work to "kill" -- not amend -- the Clinton plan because it presents a real danger to the Republican future: Its passage will give the Democrats a lock on the crucial middle-class vote and revive the reputation of the party. Nearly a full year before Republicans will unite behind the "Contract With America," Kristol has provided the rationale and the steel for them to achieve their aims of winning control of Congress and becoming America's majority party. Killing health care will serve both ends. The timing of the memo dovetails with a growing private consensus among Republicans that all-out opposition to the Clinton plan is in their best political interest. Until the memo surfaces, most opponents prefer behind-the-scenes warfare largely shielded from public view. The boldness of Kristol's strategy signals a new turn in the battle. Not only is it politically acceptable to criticize the Clinton plan on policy grounds, it is also politically advantageous. By the end of 1993, blocking reform poses little risk as the public becomes increasingly fearful of what it has heard about the Clinton plan.

 

[ChesusRice]

If there is no option NOT to participate, then all of the so called "options" you present are meaningless and tactically the same measures a rapist uses. If a rapist offers you "choices" of how you will be raped, no real "choice" exists.

Again Rob Roy with the " I want to be a leech on society" argument

Here ya go Move here

 

[nitro harley]

They can sell cars without seat belts in Mexico. Nothing is stopping them. they just can't sell them here

Mexico?.....You are going to have to give us a heads up when you turn the page....It seems like you and buck and the hillary supporter have an agenda to smooth out the reality of whats really coming with Obama care...My opinion is that there are going to be a lot of nearly poor people being crushed by the new added cost of health care..

I agree the poor will be getting more poor when this takes affect..The people that live from paycheck to paycheck and are behind are there rent are not going to have the money to pay, even if it is a lot less than what I pay...They simply wont have the money, they will get fined and lose there tax return that they have counted on for years...

I wish that Obama care was inforced right now before the next election so people get a feeling for what they voted for and can feel the sting of deception....

 

[Winter Woman]

Funny how a Republican Idea is a bad one since the Black guy got elected 2x


December 2, 1993 - Leading conservative operative William Kristol privately circulates a strategy document to Republicans in Congress. Kristol writes that congressional Republicans should work to "kill" -- not amend -- the Clinton plan because it presents a real danger to the Republican future: Its passage will give the Democrats a lock on the crucial middle-class vote and revive the reputation of the party. Nearly a full year before Republicans will unite behind the "Contract With America," Kristol has provided the rationale and the steel for them to achieve their aims of winning control of Congress and becoming America's majority party. Killing health care will serve both ends. The timing of the memo dovetails with a growing private consensus among Republicans that all-out opposition to the Clinton plan is in their best political interest. Until the memo surfaces, most opponents prefer behind-the-scenes warfare largely shielded from public view. The boldness of Kristol's strategy signals a new turn in the battle. Not only is it politically acceptable to criticize the Clinton plan on policy grounds, it is also politically advantageous. By the end of 1993, blocking reform poses little risk as the public becomes increasingly fearful of what it has heard about the Clinton plan.

You had to reach all the way back to 1993-lmao

 

[91GT347]

So, will all doctors have to accept the Obamacare insurance ? I have heard that is going to be a problem. Finding a doctor that will accept it. Then when you do, it will take a couple months to get an appt. That is a big problem with Medicaid now.

 

[nontheist]

Post 282 is completely wrong...

Again, the insurance companies are being forced to add a ton of additional features to policies. This will make ALL insurance policies more expensive.

I found out yesterday that I can no longer have a 5,000 dollar deductible as a single person. Obamacare is going to force me down to a 2,000 deductible. I went to 5,000 because I rarely get sick and wanted to pay lower premiums. Now I am being FORCED yet again into a policy I do not want. And my premiums are going to go UP as a result of it.

The government does not even allow competition across state lines, why do you think it wants competition at all?

Obamacare is designed to put insurance companies out of the healthcare business. And they are dropping like flies according to plan...

Obamacare is about destroying private healthcare insurance to force people into a one size fits all government plan that everyone has to join or pay a fine to avoid.

You are so excited that other people are going to have to pay for your healthcare that you fail to see the ultimate outcome of this...

If it was such a good plan, why is Obama delaying most of it until after the 2014 elections??? He just pushed off the altered minimum levels until 2015. The whole premise of Obamacare is based on a lie with endless more lies stacked upon it.

Cant wait to see how much my premiums increase this year regardless of what Obama says. That is unless I get dropped from my insurance because they are cancelling coverage for my state due to individual policies being too expensive and too difficult to manage. Then I get to join an exchange where I cant keep my doctor, have little to no choice in the plan and get to pay much much more for less care. Yeah, this is going to be sooo much fun...

Aetna bails on California...

http://articles.latimes.com/2013/jun/18/business/la-fi-mo-aetna-california-health-insurance-20130618

United Health (Nation's largest Healthcare provider) and Cigna not participating in CA either...

http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-health-insure-20130523,0,1895918.story

Glad the people of CA have so many more choices.... Oh wait...

You think that's fucking bad, I have had a 300 deductible for 14 years, now it's 1200 and the rumor is it will be 2k starting January. Why? Because the attack on Cadillac plan. Pisses me the fuck off, very few are getting what was promised I hope this fucking sinks the liberals.

 

[ChesusRice]

You had to reach all the way back to 1993-lmao

Yes it's called
"History repeats itself"

BTW
The alternative plan the Republicans were pushing at the time is something we call "Obamacare"

 

[ChesusRice]

You think that's fucking bad, I have had a 300 deductible for 14 years, now it's 1200 and the rumor is it will be 2k starting January. Why? Because the attack on Cadillac plan. Pisses me the fuck off, very few are getting what was promised I hope this fucking sinks the liberals.

And that's the fault of Obama?
not your employer?
Well let your feet do the walking. It's a free market buddie. Find some other employer.

 

[NLXSK1]

And that's the fault of Obama?
not your employer?
Well let your feet do the walking. It's a free market buddie. Find some other employer.

In your response to companies not offering care in post #193 I showed 3 companies pulling out of California... Do I have to name them individually to comply with your "Name One" request??

I am self employed. Am I supposed to find some other employer to provide healthcare for me???

What you keep failing to understand is that Obamacare is not going to deliver on any of it's promises. If it did what Barak said it would do I might be for it... But it doesnt. It was a bill that never was supposed to be voted on because it was supposed to go to conference committee. When it became apparent that this was the only way to get it signed into law they pushed through the unfinished legislation.

Again, if it is so great why is Obama pushing off huge portions of the bill until after the next election???

 

[joe macclennan]

Obamacare is designed to put insurance companies out of the healthcare business. And they are dropping like flies according to plan...
..

and I hope it succeeds in this. FUCK INSURANCE COMPANIES! Biggest scam there is.

The fact remains that this would not be an issue if the greedy insurance/medical industry hadn't overinflated the cost of service to the point where things can't be paid out of pocket anymore. Over the course of the last 25 yrs.

Fuck! my grandparents were farmers They never had insurance and certainly weren't rich off their small 80 acre farm.

and yet they still could afford to go to doctors. WHy? cuz it wasn't so goddamned expensive.

I hope all insurance companies fold. and I have several family members in the industry.

bottom line:this is happening. Might as well quit crying about it and figure out how to make the most of it.

 

[NLXSK1]

and I hope it succeeds in this. FUCK INSURANCE COMPANIES! Biggest scam there is.

The fact remains that this would not be an issue if the greedy insurance/medical industry hadn't overinflated the cost of service to the point where things can't be paid out of pocket anymore. Over the course of the last 25 yrs.

Fuck! my grandparents were farmers They never had insurance and certainly weren't rich off their small 80 acre farm.

and yet they still could afford to go to doctors. WHy? cuz it wasn't so goddamned expensive.

I hope all insurance companies fold. and I have several family members in the industry.

In a funny way both you and I agree.

I want healthcare insurance to revert to catastrophic insurance and most of the day to day costs to be dealt with directly between doctor and patient. Direct pay as it were for office visits, medications, etc.

The problem of healthcare being so damn expensive is the patient does not *pay* for the services so they dont care what it costs. If they did care, the doctors, hospitals and other healthcare entities would be forced to be competitive. If you dont agree, look at Lasix eye surgery. It is one of the things that is not typically covered by insurance and the costs have continually gone DOWN due to competition and improved technology.

If Obamacare goes through we are looking at one giant monopoly government run insurance company with quota's, death panels and all kinds of regulation to deny care to people to keep costs down. If you dont believe me then check into the denial rates for Medicare and Medicaid. They are higher than any private insurance already.

I want to take the government and insurance companies out of the picture and see how costs drop like a stone... No more $60.00 band aids if you had to write the check.

 

[joe macclennan]

I am not ashamed to admit I have been on medicaid before. It wasn't so difficult to get on and the service was NOT horrible despite what you might think.

 

[schuylaar]

If there is no option NOT to participate, then all of the so called "options" you present are meaningless and tactically the same measures a rapist uses. If a rapist offers you "choices" of how you will be raped, no real "choice" exists.

you don't have the option NOT to participate NOW..how do you NOT understand this?

comparing the ACA to being forcibly raped? FAIL

 

[ChesusRice]

I want to take the government and insurance companies out of the picture and see how costs drop like a stone... No more $60.00 band aids if you had to write the check.

Funny
Hospitals were overcharging 40 years ago

 

[schuylaar]

So, will all doctors have to accept the Obamacare insurance ? I have heard that is going to be a problem. Finding a doctor that will accept it. Then when you do, it will take a couple months to get an appt. That is a big problem with Medicaid now.

Yes doctors will accept health through whichever carrier they do business with just like they do now..

 

[schuylaar]

this is the ACA marketplace website where you can get answers to many of your questions:

https://www.healthcare.gov/

 

[joe macclennan]

So, will all doctors have to accept the Obamacare insurance ? I have heard that is going to be a problem. Finding a doctor that will accept it. Then when you do, it will take a couple months to get an appt. That is a big problem with Medicaid now.

It was never that difficult to find doctors who accept medicaid for us. Dentists,,yes but not doctors.

 

[ChesusRice]

Fuck! my grandparents were farmers They never had insurance and certainly weren't rich off their small 80 acre farm.

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