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[joe macclennan]

Sounds like some pretty hard core anti-capitalist rhetoric for a capatalist.

A capitalist with an ethical outlook on business, yes I suppose I am a bit of an odd duck.

I am one who believes an employer should offer a decent wage with decent benefits.

I am one who is tired of watching the prolific raping of the american middle class by insurance companies whom are being paid to provide a service, and then balk when forced to do so.

Yes, I am a capitalist. I am exactly what this country should be.

 

[UncleBuck]

A capitalist with an ethical outlook on business, yes I suppose I am a bit of an odd duck.

I am one who believes an employer should offer a decent wage with decent benefits.

I am one who is tired of watching the prolific raping of the american middle class by insurance companies whom are being paid to provide a service, and then balk when forced to do so.

Yes, I am a capitalist. I am exactly what this country should be.

ya see, nonthinkist will defend the right of the insurance companies to rape you and then deny you service, then he'll complain that his ass is sore and he has no bandaids for it.

he's cool like that.

 

[joe macclennan]

he sure does defend the insurance industry! lol

I have several family members deep into insurance and they don't even talk that way.

It's cool tho.

I can't wait for his response to my last coupla posts.

ginwilly seems pretty down to earth and made some good points earlier.

I mean I really am about the debate. It is entirely possible I may learn something here.

Doubtful, but possible.

 

[joe macclennan]

what is a capatalist? is that italian? did you mean catapultalist?

pretty sure joe could build a pretty mean catapult.

Sweet! I always wanted to learn italian

lol

 

[ginwilly]

catapultist... ok, i laughed a little

I don't agree that it's a business obligation to take care of it's workers. I believe the most successful businesses should, but the dry cleaner down the street? that's not their lot in life. They are making their contribution to our society by providing a needed service. That's pretty damn noble to me already.

There are some big business that are very community oriented, some that are not. I prefer the business with a heart, but I also believe in freedom. I don't shop at Wal-mart, but it's your right if you want to.

Joe says the only people he hears complaining about the bill are people with money, he's not listening. I will admit that in a hospital setting, the people in favor of it will be housekeeping, kitchen help and the CEO, CFO and COO. The people complaining are the licensed care giver. That really should sound the bells for you.

Try finding a non-hospital affiliated doctor who takes adult medicaid. It's not easy.

I have not found anyone in favor of the bill other than those that are positioned to profit greatly from it, those that are hyper-partisan, and those that believe what the gov tells them. I have yet to meet anyone in favor that is not repeating the talking points of Obama/Pelosi (who I would guarantee have STILL not read it) or know what's in it but stand to make a killing. It's become more emotional than logical. We ALL agreed something had to be done, for some doing the wrong thing is better than nothing. I will never in my life understand that position.

 

[91GT347]

It was never that difficult to find doctors who accept medicaid for us. Dentists,,yes but not doctors.

A lot probably depends on where you are. My best friend is on Medicaid in MD, and he looked for a couple months before he found a doctor that would accept it. May be because it's a pain management doctor too. As far as not being hard to qualify. That must depend on the state too. My wife is the only one in our family working right now. I'm in the middle of filing for disability. We applied, and my son is the only one that could get it. My wife made under $8.00 an hour at Walgreens to support a family of 3. So I wouldn't say it's easy to qualify. the SERIOUSLY fucked up thing about it is my doctor, and the lady at DSS said if I was a minority, I could get it. WTF ?!?!

 

[Doer]

what is a capatalist? is that italian? did you mean catapultalist?

pretty sure joe could build a pretty mean catapult.

Not so sure. Maybe he should wait until this happens.

 

[schuylaar]

A lot probably depends on where you are. My best friend is on Medicaid in MD, and he looked for a couple months before he found a doctor that would accept it. May be because it's a pain management doctor too. As far as not being hard to qualify. That must depend on the state too. My wife is the only one in our family working right now. I'm in the middle of filing for disability. We applied, and my son is the only one that could get it. My wife made under $8.00 an hour at Walgreens to support a family of 3. So I wouldn't say it's easy to qualify. the SERIOUSLY fucked up thing about it is my doctor, and the lady at DSS said if I was a minority, I could get it. WTF ?!?!

you just have to google...your state/list of medicaid doctors..it comes right up..

in florida, governor dick rott has decided that we don't need medicaid expansion and he's too late to set up for state exchanges which means we will use the governments marketplace website i posted yesterday..man do i hate that fucker..

 

[NLXSK1]

A capitalist with an ethical outlook on business, yes I suppose I am a bit of an odd duck.

I am one who believes an employer should offer a decent wage with decent benefits.

I am one who is tired of watching the prolific raping of the american middle class by insurance companies whom are being paid to provide a service, and then balk when forced to do so.

Yes, I am a capitalist. I am exactly what this country should be.

I didnt realize that employees were assigned and forced to work for an employer... We should change that law.

 

[schuylaar]

I didnt realize that employees were assigned and forced to work for an employer... We should change that law.

no, no you aren't..however, as health stands IN THIS MOMENT IN TIME (in it's current form BEFORE ACA) you still are forced to "participate or opt out"..what do you not get about this?..

 

[NLXSK1]

no, no you aren't..however, as health stands IN THIS MOMENT IN TIME (in it's current form BEFORE ACA) you still are forced to "participate or opt out"..what do you not get about this?..

I understand that employment is supposed to be a contract between two people. Wages and benefits are the incentive for someone to want a job, experience and skill is the incentive for an employer to offer a job.

You seem to think it is some sort of welfare program based on healthcare benefits and socially engineered wages and benefits determined by the government...

Healthcare is not a right.

 

[schuylaar]

I understand that employment is supposed to be a contract between two people. Wages and benefits are the incentive for someone to want a job, experience and skill is the incentive for an employer to offer a job.

You seem to think it is some sort of welfare program based on healthcare benefits and socially engineered wages and benefits determined by the government...

Healthcare is not a right.

really? you think not?

 

[joe macclennan]

A lot probably depends on where you are. My best friend is on Medicaid in MD, and he looked for a couple months before he found a doctor that would accept it. May be because it's a pain management doctor too. As far as not being hard to qualify. That must depend on the state too. My wife is the only one in our family working right now. I'm in the middle of filing for disability. We applied, and my son is the only one that could get it. My wife made under $8.00 an hour at Walgreens to support a family of 3. So I wouldn't say it's easy to qualify. the SERIOUSLY fucked up thing about it is my doctor, and the lady at DSS said if I was a minority, I could get it. WTF ?!?!

Sounds like you are in a terrible situation man. I hope it works out for you.

The part bolded in red is really fucked up.

I didnt realize that employees were assigned and forced to work for an employer... We should change that law.

You are right. They are not. It's why I don't.

 

[joe macclennan]

Healthcare is not a right.

Hate to be the bearer of bad news but it is soon to become a right.

 

[Doer]

Hate to be the bearer of bad news but it is soon to become a right.

Uh, no. Don't you see the tap dance? An elitist medical class has been established is all.

Just see the large and growing Exempt list. I think we better future think this. When the medical, there is a Right to, is shit and all the good shit is saved for the Union elite, etc. (blue collar is attitude not a pay scale)...
What a bunch of shit, right?

Now? no. But the noose tightens. 10 years? Yes. Unless it is scrapped as the un-fair tax it is, and scrapped as a blow to the Anti-Con. And as usual it is cry baby lies about a non-existant problem. It is the BAIT and the SWITCH.

Notice that the House, after all the, smoke screen, of vote after vote against funding ObamaCare, which they could not win, ultimately, with the Senate, did what?

They quietly voted themselves in; into the Elite Class along with the staff, I guess. Exempt from Soilent Green, at least for now.

"When they came for me.....Help, where is everybody!" A Robespierre joke with Ann Frank.

This is a horror because humans could have proved life extension techniques, already, we do not know of yet, I guess.

And as a short life, lower class there is a good chance we may never know, for many generations from now, these are the same leaders. They simply look different. Served from tanks reanimated, nipped and tucked. Who knows?

What if the future was here already, but only for a few?

 

[Nether Region]

Great little article about healthcare costs, what they are and what they could/should behttp://www.businessweek.com/articles/2013-08-01/indias-walmart-of-heart-surgery-cuts-the-cost-by-98-percent

 

[NLXSK1]

Great little article about healthcare costs, what they are and what they could/should behttp://www.businessweek.com/articles/2013-08-01/indias-walmart-of-heart-surgery-cuts-the-cost-by-98-percent

If we could have real competition here with direct patient to doctor payments we could see real reductions in cost through efficiency like this.

 

[ChesusRice]

If we could have real competition here with direct patient to doctor payments we could see real reductions in cost through efficiency like this.

You say Doctors are complaining they dont get enough money from medicaid.
And you think that a reduction in payments to doctors because of competition will alleviate the situation?

Do you even know how stupid you sound?

 

[NLXSK1]

You say Doctors are complaining they dont get enough money from medicaid.
And you think that a reduction in payments to doctors because of competition will alleviate the situation?

Do you even know how stupid you sound?

To the uneducated it might seem that way.

Doctors have to file mountains of paperwork with Medicare/Medicaid and wait months to over a year for reimbursement. All the staff and processing costs add up. Throw in the completely illogical and inconsistent incredibly high billing for normal items such as bandaids that doctors could avoid and you would be looking at real cost savings.

Doctors have come out and said that they can offer in house treatment of normal issues with unlimited office visits for a fraction of what health care costs now. The problem is that the federal government will not let them operate this way. Throw in the fact that they dont have to cover emergency care and costs plummet even more.

How you think that multiple layers of burecratic fat, complexity and regulation somehow is making things cheaper is beyond me.

 

[ChesusRice]

To the uneducated it might seem that way.

Doctors have to file mountains of paperwork with Medicare/Medicaid and wait months to over a year for reimbursement..

Medicare pays within 3 weeks
It is the incentive for doctors to take patients

It is the main reason there is so many fraudulent claims by doctors and health care corporations