Those are some awesome pictures Rumple. I wont argue that there are some nasty Phish kids out there, no doubt. Thanks for checking out my grow, how do I "page" you? I am really new to this site and forum thing and have mainly been lurking around for info, but am getting more directly involved now. Would love to see your reviews on LED's. HydroGrowLED was actually really good to me. The first unit was damaged by UPS, they sent a replacement right away, Which was damaged again, but this time only cosmetically, and they offered to exchange again, or give me 350 dollars back on the Unit with no effect to the 90 day trial period or the 3 year warranty policy. I took the 350, and if any problems come down the road, they've assured me that they have my back. Only good experiences with them here. The battle between them and Quantum LED is ridiculous, but HydroGrow supplied all documents and information to me proving that they are the original innovators of their product. Hydroponicshut.com is a joke, they sent me two of the same lights I ordered, Pro Grow 400x, and both had different LED arrangements, different spectrums, even different Internal construction! They actually required I send everything back, but I took pictures and video to warn other buyers of their inconsistent and clearly drop shipped products. I will be purchasing another LED soon and could use some advice on the direction to go, don't think I can afford a second penetrator quite yet. Let me know how to "page" you and I will definitely follow along in your grows.