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[Doer]

A civics lesson isn't necessary, but thanks anyway. How has the 9th amendment done protecting your "rights" ? Hint...it can't and never has.

Lysander Spooner keeps calling me and wants you to read his essay on the Constitution of No Authority....he says it will be more productive for you than a trip to your proctologist for an expensive head extraction.

You have no idea what self rule entails....it isn't about voting for who will be the next super daddy or head of the ring of thieves.

See it is sophistry. WAR LORD. You don't know shit and you do need a civics lesson before you read your silly essays. Essays are not the manual. Laws are.


SELF RULE IS NOT WARLORD AND THAT IS THAT.

And you keep saying voting not me. I say self rule. Self rule is largely conducted away form the vote. WE don't vote on everything. But our leaders do.

I know self rule as I am in it and you are not. Your choice.,

Voting as an individual is an optional feature of self rule. But you don't get it. If you don't vote you simply proxy.

But, the NOT PUBLIC voting and NOT PUBLIC opinion polling never stops. But, you only see TV and don't know how works.

You may be just to dumb to get it. You could be a Mensa like me and still be too dumb to get it.

 

[ChesusRice]

How's the 9th amendment doing protecting your rights? Lysander Spooner wants you to read his essays.

Having a "vote" in who will be the person or group of persons that steal from you is not really a choice. Tell me how YOUR vote changes the world....go ahead....tell me.

What do you do for a living?
What country is better than the USA and will you move there?

 

[91GT347]

If you don't vote it means you don't care.

...or you don't believe that your vote matters. Which I still have my doubts that our leader was "voted" into office. He is there though. So all we can do is deal with it.

 

[schuylaar]

...or you don't believe that your vote matters. Which I still have my doubts that our leader was "voted" into office. He is there though. So all we can do is deal with it.

you mean those lines of people wishing to vote even after the president was declared winner..propaganda?

and by the by..my precinct which had unlimited voting booths in 2008, somehow only ended up with one in 2012..courtesy of el presidente dick rott..everyone still stayed in line..i took my vote to downtown ft. lauderdale directly to supervisor of elections office..fail el presidente fail..

 

[Doer]

...or you don't believe that your vote matters. Which I still have my doubts that our leader was "voted" into office. He is there though. So all we can do is deal with it.

Don't worry bro. The President is not the problem. The States elected him. They knew what he would do, and he did.

Self rule. Your vote matters even if you don't cast it. See? It matters. If you don't vote against it the FORS win. Self rule is not at the Federal level. No mob voting. Why do people not understand that? The Fed is the proxy rules between and among the States.

What do you mean, not voted in, Obama?

Please explain that. The States voted internally. The Governors conferred with their Electoral College delegates and all apparently, that last time, went with the will of the People. The States do not have to do that. They can ignore it, legally.

And then that State can throw the bums out....after.

It is much more balanced this self rule than who voted as Citizens. Self rule is conducted by those we delegate.

They VOTE FOR EVERYTHING. They are in constant touch with the ones who care, if they voted or not.

You don't have to vote to influence Congress. You call them. I do.

 

[schuylaar]

Don't worry bro. The President is not the problem. The States elected him. They knew what he would do, and he did.

Self rule. Your vote matters even if you don't cast it. See? It matters. If you don't vote against it the FORS win. Self rule is not at the Federal level. No mob voting. Why do people not understand that? The Fed is the proxy rules between and among the States.

What do you mean, not voted in, Obama?

Please explain that. The States voted internally. The Governors conferred with their Electoral College delegates and all apparently, that last time, went with the will of the People. The States do not have to do that. They can ignore it, legally.

And then that State can throw the bums out....after.

It is much more balanced this self rule than who voted as Citizens. Self rule is conducted by those we delegate.

They VOTE FOR EVERYTHING. They are in constant touch with the ones who care, if they voted or not.

You don't have to vote to influence Congress. You call them. I do.

yeah they were just hoping another repeat of the 2000 recount, this state couldn't go blue fast enough..BIG FAIL

 

[Rob Roy]

See it is sophistry. WAR LORD. You don't know shit and you do need a civics lesson before you read your silly essays. Essays are not the manual. Laws are.


SELF RULE IS NOT WARLORD AND THAT IS THAT.

And you keep saying voting not me. I say self rule. Self rule is largely conducted away form the vote. WE don't vote on everything. But our leaders do.

I know self rule as I am in it and you are not. Your choice.,

Voting as an individual is an optional feature of self rule. But you don't get it. If you don't vote you simply proxy.

But, the NOT PUBLIC voting and NOT PUBLIC opinion polling never stops. But, you only see TV and don't know how works.

You may be just to dumb to get it. You could be a Mensa like me and still be too dumb to get it.

Did it ever occur to you that I do understand what you are trying to say (now there's a scary thought) , but that I just disagree with you?

Free people don't have, need or want "leaders". I don't watch television.

The idea of "proxy" is a fallacy, put out there and maintained by those who want you to think they are your proxy. Smoke a fatty and chill. You seem a little anti Rob Roy these days, didn't your mom ever tell you that you should be polite?

 

[Doer]

Did it ever occur to you that I do understand what you are trying to say (now there's a scary thought) , but that I just disagree with you?

Free people don't have, need or want "leaders". I don't watch television.

The idea of "proxy" is a fallacy, put out there and maintained by those who want you to think they are your proxy. Smoke a fatty and chill. You seem a little anti Rob Roy these days, didn't your mom ever tell you that you should be polite?

Oh, I know you have this world view, you think you understand mine as something to disagree with.

Wrong. We are not debating a worldview. You world view is flawed and I can point it all out in detail, as you say, ......well explain interstate commerce, explain the voluntary union of States, ...explain how we can save the world. I explain, you are mute. War Lord.

You are a sophist. I show how it is a cracked and silly viewpoint and all you say is Uh uh.

You just say fallacy. But only in your Dream.

No evidence at all I am pretending fallacy. The proxy is quite actually if you knew the meaning of the word. You let others decide.

A don't vote is the 3rd vote. Don't care, ya'll go ahead.

 

[Doer]

Polite? That begins with you.

 

[Wavels]

The ONLY good thing about Obama Care is that it may very well be the death knell of Big Government and it's arrogant delusion that it can do what is in our best interest.

Hoist on it's own petard...that is what I would call poetic justice.

A massive trainwreck....so sad.

 

[ChesusRice]

The ONLY good thing about Obama Care is that it may very well be the death knell of Big Government and it's arrogant delusion that it can do what is in our best interest.

Hoist on it's own petard...that is what I would call poetic justice.

A massive trainwreck....so sad.

December 2, 1993 - Leading conservative operative William Kristol privately circulates a strategy document to Republicans in Congress. Kristol writes that congressional Republicans should work to "kill" -- not amend -- the Clinton plan because it presents a real danger to the Republican future: Its passage will give the Democrats a lock on the crucial middle-class vote and revive the reputation of the party. Nearly a full year before Republicans will unite behind the "Contract With America," Kristol has provided the rationale and the steel for them to achieve their aims of winning control of Congress and becoming America's majority party. Killing health care will serve both ends. The timing of the memo dovetails with a growing private consensus among Republicans that all-out opposition to the Clinton plan is in their best political interest. Until the memo surfaces, most opponents prefer behind-the-scenes warfare largely shielded from public view. The boldness of Kristol's strategy signals a new turn in the battle. Not only is it politically acceptable to criticize the Clinton plan on policy grounds, it is also politically advantageous. By the end of 1993, blocking reform poses little risk as the public becomes increasingly fearful of what it has heard about the Clinton plan.

 

[Wavels]

December 2, 1993 - Leading conservative operative William Kristol privately circulates a strategy document to Republicans in Congress. Kristol writes that congressional Republicans should work to "kill" -- not amend -- the Clinton plan because it presents a real danger to the Republican future: Its passage will give the Democrats a lock on the crucial middle-class vote and revive the reputation of the party. Nearly a full year before Republicans will unite behind the "Contract With America," Kristol has provided the rationale and the steel for them to achieve their aims of winning control of Congress and becoming America's majority party. Killing health care will serve both ends. The timing of the memo dovetails with a growing private consensus among Republicans that all-out opposition to the Clinton plan is in their best political interest. Until the memo surfaces, most opponents prefer behind-the-scenes warfare largely shielded from public view. The boldness of Kristol's strategy signals a new turn in the battle. Not only is it politically acceptable to criticize the Clinton plan on policy grounds, it is also politically advantageous. By the end of 1993, blocking reform poses little risk as the public becomes increasingly fearful of what it has heard about the Clinton plan.

I did not like Bill Kristol then, and I still do not care for him now.

 

[Wavels]

Even the Chicago Trib recognizes the imminent disaster awaiting this avoidable nightmare.



The president crusaded for this law and has embraced its nickname. But he did not write the law. Congress did. Major changes are necessary — he has stipulated by his actions that this law as constituted cannot work — and Congress should legislate them for his review.
Bottom line: Let's delay and rewrite this ill-conceived law. Congress need not start from scratch. Lawmakers can build on what all of us have learned from three years of painful trial and error. Three years of attempting, but failing, to make this clumsy monstrosity work for the American people.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/opinion/editorials/ct-edit-obamacare-0818-jm-20130818,0,5666959.story
Editorial: How President Obama is flouting Obamacare
More reasons to delay and rewrite this ill-conceived law

 

[schuylaar]

Even the Chicago Trib recognizes the imminent disaster awaiting this avoidable nightmare.



The president crusaded for this law and has embraced its nickname. But he did not write the law. Congress did. Major changes are necessary — he has stipulated by his actions that this law as constituted cannot work — and Congress should legislate them for his review.
Bottom line: Let's delay and rewrite this ill-conceived law. Congress need not start from scratch. Lawmakers can build on what all of us have learned from three years of painful trial and error. Three years of attempting, but failing, to make this clumsy monstrosity work for the American people.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/opinion/editorials/ct-edit-obamacare-0818-jm-20130818,0,5666959.story
Editorial: How President Obama is flouting Obamacare
More reasons to delay and rewrite this ill-conceived law

PUBS: there are no do-overs here..this is not grade school..suck it up and get used to it or have your ill begotten party nominate someone who's sane and really worth voting for..

 

[Wavels]

The Tribune endorsed Obama...they have seen the truth, as have many Democrats.
Who is the one that referred to the ACA as a train wreck?
It was not a Republican.

 

[schuylaar]

The Tribune endorsed Obama...they have seen the truth, as have many Democrats.
Who is the one that referred to the ACA as a train wreck?
It was not a Republican.

so you are saying, the first time you tried to grow weed, make hash..you did it perfectly and made no adjustments after the fact?..correct?

 

[Wavels]

so you are saying, the first time you tried to grow weed, make hash..you did it perfectly and made no adjustments after the fact?..correct?

My growing skills (or lack thereof) effect only ONE person...me.
This is simply not true of Obamacare.
We will all suffer the consequences of this exquisitely dumb law.

 

[ChesusRice]

My growing skills (or lack thereof) effect only ONE person...me.
This is simply not true of Obamacare.
We will all suffer the consequences of this exquisitely dumb law.

They said the same thing about Social security, medicare and unemployment insurance as well

 

[schuylaar]

My growing skills (or lack thereof) effect only ONE person...me.
This is simply not true of Obamacare.
We will all suffer the consequences of this exquisitely dumb law.

so you are saying, the first time you insert here, insert here..you did it perfectly and made no adjustments after the fact?..correct?

better for ya?

 

[nitro harley]

so you are saying, the first time you insert here, insert here..you did it perfectly and made no adjustments after the fact?..correct?

better for ya?

Some people get it right the first time....I guess you had a bad first experience...