How to Fix The U.S Economy?
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GOD HERE
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Bulldoze it and start over with a resource based system.
be ez
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What about the debt already owed?
GOD HERE
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It's illegitimate.
AlabamaRedneck
New Member
Bill all the fucking minority lifetime welfare recipients for it...they caused it in the first place...
And kill all the democrat congress-men-and-women who voted to allow it to happen...
GOD HERE
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You're probably one of the most misinformed people on this board. Welfare recipients? LOL. Take a look at how money is spent in this country. Try "corporate welfare", "unlimited bailouts and subsidies for private banks", "lack of regulation on wallstreet", and the biggest leeches of all, the "Defense industry".
You get so angry at the democrats because of some delusion that they have such a different and more malevolent ideology than your teabag congressmen, but in reality both parties follow the same basic ideology. It's easily manipulated uneducated morons like yourself who allow the paradigm to exist, and to keep the semblance of a 2 party state.
Sunbiz1
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More like usury, these rich European bankers have been collecting interest in the form of inflation for damn near a century.
Sunbiz1
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I am a most unhappy man. I have unwittingly ruined my country. A great industrial nation is controlled by its system of credit. Our system of credit is concentrated. The growth of the nation, therefore, and all our activities are in the hands of a few men. We have come to be one of the worst ruled, one of the most completely controlled and dominated Governments in the civilized world no longer a Government by free opinion, no longer a Government by conviction and the vote of the majority, but a Government by the opinion and duress of a small group of dominant men. -Woodrow Wilson
http://www.themoneymasters.com/the-money-masters/famous-quotations-on-banking/
http://www.themoneymasters.com/the-money-masters/famous-quotations-on-banking/
Jimdamick
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You want to get rid of the national debt, scrap the law saying there can be only 2 terms for a President, and re-elect Bill Clinton. He got us out of the debt left by Reagan and Bush #1, balanced the budget and it wasn't until the Republicans were elected again that it turned to shit. By the time Bush #2 left office, we were so far in debt by funding wars while lowering taxes at the same time, that we might never get out of it this time. We might reduce it as long as the Republicans sit on the sidelines and keep their veto's in their pockets, and we actually could get something done in Washington. What we need now is another Clinton in the WH in 2016, but that might not even be enough considering how much damage has already been done, by Republicans I might add, not Obama who is just a whipping boy for Conservative assholes.
hillary = bill
totally windex worthy post..lost it at teabag
cannabineer
Ursus marijanus
We have a resource-based system. Entrepreneurs mine, farm or work resources ... make money.
GOD HERE
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No, we have a wage based system which has created all the problems we're currently experiencing.
cannabineer
Ursus marijanus
Resources are the basis upon which wages etc. are built. No resources, no economy.
Service economies live necessarily as subsidiaries to the resource- and manufacture-based economies. That was one of the USA's great mistakes ... to outsource manufacturing into the "global economy" because the capitalists and financiers could skim more cream faster. They sold the farm to fund their party, and après eux le déluge. Pricks.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Resource-based_economy
Add: I am basing this argument on "economy" and "system" being the same. If this is not so, I'm probably missing the point.
GOD HERE
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I see what you're saying. On the modern day left, the idea of a resource economy normally refers to and is inalienable from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gift_economy.
cannabineer
Ursus marijanus
An interesting idea. What i do not know is how to proof such a thing against either
a) takeover by an ambitious imperial-minded individual or group from within, or
b) out-competition (conquest, basically) by a robust and unscrupulous outside organization, such as that operated by the Mongol Khans.
I see human nature as a barrier to this and not a catalyst.
abandonconflict
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Money and banking make price fixing possible. The economy is the movement of money. I would describe it with a metaphor of blood and circulation. Blood cells are dollars in this metaphor.
cannabineer
Ursus marijanus
They also make pricing possible, which was a tremendous boost to the efficiency and carrying capacity of regional-and-larger economies since writing was invented. Imo the question becomes: is the benefit greater or less than the liability? This is crude and possibly fallacious, but the sheer vitality of money economies (as measured by that strictest of arbiters, war) has thus far been unmatched.
And there will be war. To pretend otherwise is unwise. Imo.
And there will be war. To pretend otherwise is unwise. Imo.
abandonconflict
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I wouldn't pretend there will be no war. I would say war is also not a very strict arbiter. No two wars are the same. War will never again be what it was. We're in the age of globalization, where the biggest economy on earth wages wars against words, because the vitality of money economies requires war.
I'm not disagreeing with you, and I don't think your argument is fallacious at all. I just think you are looking for universal and measurable consequences to repeatable actions. We exist on what appears to be a linear timeline where the situations of tomorrow are results of today's actions which have been shaped by yesterday's wars. I think instead of looking for constant figures with which to calculate, we ought to look at real existing conditions and speculate on what results they could have. I'm saying play the cards in our hands.