It's a done deal now

[ChesusRice]

Ok I read the mainstream articles. So far I see that the US supplied weapons but where are the rebels linked to Al Q?

It's a Jihad, war whatever in the middle east

You cannot have a game of hopscotch without someone being Al Qaeda affiliated
It's meaningless

 

[Dr Kynes]

Ok I read the mainstream articles. So far I see that the US supplied weapons but where are the rebels linked to Al Q?

you wont find any mainstream press mentions that:
MOST terrorists are moslem
if the cost of a recall for a defective product is less than the anticipated cost from lawsuits there is no recall
when your unemployment benefits run out you no longer count as unemployed, no matter how unemployed you are
60+% of the UN member nations are dictatorships and their vote counts exactly as much as sweden, holland and the US
actual real climatologists are unable to create climate models which reflect the expected "climate change", yet the hucksters continue to pretend they know whats going on
nobody, no matter how fervently that claim it, can prove that their religion is in fact true.
likewise, nobody can prove that my motorcycle doesnt transform into a pile of delicious Beef-a-Roni when nobody is looking, and changes back when somebody approaches.
doctors still cant decide whether eggs are good for you or bad for you. the debate rages on.


that does not make these facts any less true.

 

[Flaming Pie]

I am not for US military intervention in Syria btw.

I haven't been following the politics for a while so its all alot to take in.

 

[Flaming Pie]

And who the fuck is munch box? alt account for whom?

 

[UncleBuck]

Tell me why you snitched buck! I deserve an answer, and I'm not going away until I get a good one.

check your posting history shortly before you were banned, or just ask VTXdave himself.

it was a joint decision between myself, budlover13, and redivider to request your ban.

 

[echelon1k1]

Ok I read the mainstream articles. So far I see that the US supplied weapons but where are the rebels linked to Al Q?

Jabhat al-Nusra makes up a large proportion of the "rebels" in Syria...

Terrorist Designations of the al-Nusrah Front as an Alias for al-Qa'ida in Iraq

The Department of State has amended the Foreign Terrorist Organization (FTO) and Executive Order (E.O.) 13224 designations of al-Qa’ida in Iraq (AQI) to include the following new aliases: al-Nusrah Front, Jabhat al-Nusrah, Jabhet al-Nusra, The Victory Front, and Al-Nusrah Front for the People of the Levant. The Department of State previously designated AQI as an FTO under the Immigration and Nationality Act and as a Specially Designated Global Terrorist under E.O. 13224 on October 15, 2004. The consequences of adding al-Nusrah Front as a new alias for AQI include a prohibition against knowingly providing, or attempting or conspiring to provide, material support or resources to, or engaging in transactions with, al-Nusrah Front, and the freezing of all property and interests in property of the organization that are in the United States, or come within the United States or the control of U.S. persons.

Since November 2011, al-Nusrah Front has claimed nearly 600 attacks – ranging from more than 40 suicide attacks to small arms and improvised explosive device operations – in major city centers including Damascus, Aleppo, Hamah, Dara, Homs, Idlib, and Dayr al-Zawr. During these attacks numerous innocent Syrians have been killed. Through these attacks, al-Nusrah has sought to portray itself as part of the legitimate Syrian opposition while it is, in fact, an attempt by AQI to hijack the struggles of the Syrian people for its own malign purposes.

U.S. officials: Al Qaida behind Syria bombings

 

[echelon1k1]

It's a Jihad, war whatever in the middle east

You cannot have a game of hopscotch without someone being Al Qaeda affiliated
It's meaningless

LOL it's meaningless to support salafi jihadist groups in Syria?

But hey "what difference does it make"...

 

[Dr Kynes]

Jabhat al-Nusra makes up a large proportion of the "rebels" in Syria...

Terrorist Designations of the al-Nusrah Front as an Alias for al-Qa'ida in Iraq



U.S. officials: Al Qaida behind Syria bombings

say it aint so!!!

 

[Flaming Pie]

Ah I see it now. Jabhat al-Nusra is designated by the Department of state as Al Qaida and a news report by CNN says that he is the strongest arm of the Syrian rebels.

Thanks for info. =)

 

[echelon1k1]

wahabbists hate the living shit out of baathists, if you throw a fight against baathists, wahabbists would join the IDF or the USMC for a chance to take a few pokes.

arguing that any anti baathist rebellion DOESNT contain a huge wahabbbist contingent would be ridiculous.

thats like claiming the Moslem Brotherhood doesnt have links to al quaeda, or the JDL doesnt have links to Jews.

i dont know where some of these clowns (msnbc) get their ideas from (cnn) but they should really pull their heads out of their rectums (RT)

See Keynes now that was an informative post - keep 'em coming

It's funny you mention sunni inspired Wahhabi doctrine and AQ/Muslim Brotherhood infiltration of the US Military...Do you remember Ali Mohammed?

The following article is an old one but it was one of the warning signs overlooked, intentional or otherwise, leading up to 9/11...

Osama bin Laden's Special Operations Man
by Steven Emerson
Journal of Counterterrorism and Security International
September 1, 1998

On November 8, 1990, FBI agents raided the New Jersey home of El Sayyid Nosair, the Egyptian born Islamic militant, following his arrest in the shooting of Rabbi Meir Kahane in New York City. Among the many items found in Nosair's possession were sensitive military documents from Fort Bragg, North Carolina. The documents, some of which were classified Secret, contained the locations of U.S. military Special Operations Forces exercises and units in the Middle East, military training schedules, U.S. intelligence estimates of Soviet forces in Afghanistan, a topographical map of Fort Bragg, U.S. Central Command data and intelligence estimates of Soviet force projection in Afghanistan. Appended throughout the documents were Arabic markings and notations believed to be that of Ali Mohammed. Some documents were marked "Top Secret for Training otherwise unclassified". Other documents were marked "sensitive."

[An FBI prepared inventory contains the entire listing of materials seized from Nosair's residence. Beyond the U.S. military documents, the raid on Nosair's residence produced a veritable treasure trove of terrorist documents, publications and materials. Included were actual plans for destroying skyscrapers in New York.]

The military documents had been given to Nosair by Ali Mohammed, an Egyptian born Islamic fundamentalist who had come to live in the United Statesin 1985. He had been in the United States earlier that decade, having graduated as a captain from a Special Forces Officers School at Fort Bragg in 1981 in a program for visiting military officials from foreign countries. He joined the U.S. military in 1986 and received a security clearance for level "secret." He was assigned as a sergeant with the U.S. Army Special Operations at Fort Bragg, North Carolina. He also served unofficially as an assistant instructor at the JFK Special Operations Warfare School at Fort Bragg where he participated in teaching a class on the Middle East and Islamic fundamentalist perceptions of the United States.

Ali Mohammed became active in the war against the Soviets in Afghanistan and soon connected with Islamic militants in New Jersey who had been training and supporting the jihad. Mohammed was introduced to El Sayyid Nosair by Khaled Ibrahim, an Egyptian born Islamic fundamentalist in New Jersey. Ibrahaim had become active in the Office of Services of the Mujihadeen, known Al Kifah, the group that recruited volunteers and funds for the jihad in Afghanistan. Al Kifah, headquartered in Peshawar, Pakistan, maintained scores of offices worldwide, including three dozen in the United States, with Al Kifah's primary American offices located in Brooklyn, Jersey City and Tucson, Arizona. As noted by federal prosecutors earlier this month, the Office of Services was transformed into the terrorist organization of Osama Bin Laden, known as Al Qaeda.

According to transcripts of the World Trade Center bombing trials, Ali Mohammed began giving training sessions in New Jersey in guerilla warfare in 1989 to Islamic militants that included among others, El Sayyid Nosair, Mahmud Abuhalima (later convicted in the World Trade Center bombing conspiracy) and Khalid Ibrahim. Other training sessions took place in Connecticut where Islamic militants trained on weekends. A FBI report, based on Connecticut State Police intelligence, summarized the activities of the training sessions using semi-automatic weapons.

According to military records, Ali Mohammed left the military in November 1989 and moved to Santa Clara. Law enforcement officials say he traveled to Afghanistan and Pakistan where he befriended Osama Bin Laden and other top militants in the Islamic fundamentalist movements who had sought sanctuary in Peshawar.

Mohammed maintained a very close and active relationship with the Office of Services in Brooklyn (funded by Osama Bin Laden) and in particular its head Mustafa Shalabi. Telephone toll records reveal that Shalabi and Mohammed maintained regular contact while Mohammed was still at Fort Bragg and later when Mohammed moved to Santa Clara, California. On February 26, 1991, Shalabi was found murdered in his home in Brooklyn, the victim of an internal feud with Sheikh Omar Abdul Rahman's followers over how the funds of the Office of Services were to be spent. Ali Mohammed came to Brooklyn after the murder and was entrusted with moving Shalabi's family back to the Middle East and with safekeeping Shalabi's documents that have never surfaced since Shalabi's death.

From his base in Santa Clara, Mohammed soon emerged as a top aide to Osama Bin Laden. Federal officials say that Mohammed traveled regularly to and from Pakistan and Afghanistan, having helped oversee Bin Laden's terrorist bases in Khost and other terrorist camps in Afghanistan. In 1991, Mohammed was the person in charge of Bin Laden's move from Afghanistan to the Sudan. The move was considered perilous since Bin Laden had made so many enemies. Mohammed helped Bin Laden set up his new home and terrorist base in Khartoum, Sudan where 2000 "Arab Afghans" the name given to the Arab veterans of the Afghanistan jihad – were headquartered in Bin Laden terrorist camps. Mohammed continued to travel between the terrorist camps in Afghanistan, Bin Laden's base in the Sudan and the United States. Mohammed continued to train new Islamic recruits in the expanded holy war, or jihad, against the United States, Israel, the Philippines, Bosnia, Egypt and Algeria.

Law enforcement records show that Mohammed's extended stays outside the United States would range from weeks to half a year. But he would always return to the United States, which provided him a safe base from which to travel around the world on behalf of Bin Laden. In California, Mohammed became involved in smuggling illegal aliens into the United States, including suspected terrorists. Law enforcement sources say that a favorite route for Mohammed was to smuggle illegal aliens through Vancouver, Canada.

In a seemingly bizarre twist, while in California, Mohammed volunteered to provide information to the FBI on a smuggling operations involving Mexicans and other aliens not connected to terrorist groups. Within time, officials say, the relationship allowed Mohammed to divert the FBI's attention away from looking at his real role in terrorism into examining the information he gave them about other smuggling. This gave Mohammed a de facto shield in effectively insulating himself from FBI scrutiny for his ties to Bin Laden. And the relationship helped protect Mohammed from being scrutinized by other federal agencies. Mohammed has succeeded in creating an ingenious scheme all the while he worked for Osama Bin Laden. Mohammed had also tried to cultivate a relationship with the CIA, which did not succeed, although he had far better success in playing off the FBI against the CIA in his dealings with both agencies. Like a John Le Carre thriller, Mohammed played the role of a triple agent and nearly got away with it.

Federal law enforcement officials say that Mohammed's role and association with the Islamic militants surfaced in connection with the World Trade Center bombing trials in 1994 and 1995. He was named on a list of some 118 potential unindicted co-conspirators in the World Trade Center bombing conspiracy released by federal prosecutors.

In 1996, according to intelligence reports, Mohammed helped move Bin Laden back from the Sudan, which wanted to maintain an official arms' length relationship (yet keeping its close connections secret), to Afghanistan. Mohammed continued working for Bin Laden in 1997band 1998, maintaining his role as one of Bin Laden's top lieutenants.

To those who know Mohammed, he is regarded with fear and awe for his incredible self-confidence, his inability to be intimidated, absolute ruthless determination to destroy the enemies of Islam and his zealous belief in the tenets of militant Islamic Fundamentalism. The question now is will he cut a deal.

 

[Flaming Pie]

Can someone please tell me who munch box is so I can slap that ass?

 

[echelon1k1]

Ah I see it now. Jabhat al-Nusra is designated by the Department of state as Al Qaida and a news report by CNN says that he is the strongest arm of the Syrian rebels.

Thanks for info. =)

State has also designated its leader an "enemy combatant" which would grant him entry to the JPEL (coalition kill/capture list) so one would hope its only a matter of time before they find him, if they haven't already as people on the JPEL that are considered high value are almost certainly watched by electronic surveillance.

Terrorist Designation of Al-Nusrah Front Leader Muhammad Al-Jawlani

Al-Jawlani is considered the leader of al-Nusrah. He has stated in videos that his ultimate goal is the overthrow of the Syrian regime and the institution of Islamist shari’a law throughout the country. Al-Jawlani was specifically tasked by al-Qa’ida in Iraq (AQI) to carry out these objectives. Under al-Jawlani’s leadership, al-Nusrah Front has carried out multiple suicide attacks throughout Syria. These attacks have been primarily in Damascus but the group has targeted other areas of the country as well. Many of these attacks have killed innocent Syrian civilians.

 

[UncleBuck]

Can someone please tell me who munch box is so I can slap that ass?

munchbox was the original account of the sock puppet "freedomworks" (pronounced freedumbworks).

he's not long for this forum.

 

[Dr Kynes]

See Keynes now that was an informative post - keep 'em coming

It's funny you mention sunni inspired Wahhabi doctrine and AQ/Muslim Brotherhood infiltration of the US Military...Do you remember Ali Mohammed?

The following article is an old one but it was one of the warning signs overlooked, intentional or otherwise, leading up to 9/11...

"To those who know Mohammed, he is regarded with fear and awe for his incredible self-confidence, his inability to be intimidated, absolute ruthless determination to destroy the enemies of Islam and his zealous belief in the tenets of militant Islamic Fundamentalism"

are they talking abouit ali mohammed or mohammed the fake prophet?

so tough to discern...

 

[ChesusRice]

munchbox was the original account of the sock puppet "freedomworks" (pronounced freedumbworks).

he's not long for this forum.

So what happened to Freedomworks? Banned? Lost password? Lithium kicked in?

 

[Rob Roy]

yet he rides in air force one and you...well, you live in oklahoma.

i think i have an idea of who the huge failure is.

Some people say that the more power over others that people seek, the less harmonious that person is. Now go get some chopsticks and figure that one out.

 

[echelon1k1]

are they talking abouit ali mohammed or mohammed the fake prophet?

so tough to discern...

Ali Mohammed... He's currently in US custody... Somewhere...

 

[Rob Roy]

are they talking abouit ali mohammed or mohammed the fake prophet?

so tough to discern...

Yet Mohammed Ali was prophetic when he refused to go to war in Viet Nam. Coincidence?

 

[Canna Sylvan]

Yet Mohammed Ali was prophetic when he refused to go to war in Viet Nam. Coincidence?

You do know Mohammed Ali named himself after Muhammad Ali Pasha al-Mas'ud ibn Agha, who was an Egyptian king and owned many African slaves? Not the Q'ran superhero.

 

[abandonconflict]