I am not doing a whole lot of 12/12 from seed anymore but its great to go through my seeds to see what are my winning crosses, ... reveg the stellar plants and clone them. Swing by my journal in the led sub section: https://www.rollitup.org/led-other-lighting/624675-greensanta-grow.htmlI want to know exactly what the point is of giving an immature seedling 12 hours of light? Your not talkin about clones right? Your talking about actually trying to flower an immature plant, I dont get it.
with 12/12 from seed. When a seedling sprouts in 12/12 it is to immature to flower. It takes 3-6 weeks for a plant to be mature enough to flower. You know when you start flowering after vegging for so long and the plant takes off before actual flowers form. Well seeds in 12/12 take off in the same fashion. But do it for longer. When you take a clone. That clone comes from an already mature plant. So the clone itself is already mature with zero veg time. So it will flower. Right away. Like Endo/green Santa. I've had a coule that out yielded plants vegged for over month. But with 12/12 fs. You don't want to top or train too much. So its growth won't slow down. Or the stress make it a male or hermie.Even if a plant is mature within 3 weeks, thats still 3 weeks it could have benefited from veg lighting. IMO theres no point initiating flowering until a plant is mature. Even for running through seeds I bet a month veg would make the difference between a gram and an ounce per plant at harvest. But I don't have any experience with 12/12 from seed, so I am open to it. But it goes against everything I have learnt so far.
Yes this is what im saying. I have seen small clones flowered early fill up a grow space in no time and yield amazing results. But since its 12/12 from SEED that implies no clones anyway. I understand you would select breeds that mature fast, but the one I have has a 14 week flower time. It didn't show its sex until 2.5 months from seed. If I had tried to flower that straight away if it survived it would be a tall spindly plant by now unable to support its own weight let alone any buds.with 12/12 from seed. When a seedling sprouts in 12/12 it is to immature to flower. It takes 3-6 weeks for a plant to be mature enough to flower. You know when you start flowering after vegging for so long and the plant takes off before actual flowers form. Well seeds in 12/12 take off in the same fashion. But do it for longer. When you take a clone. That clone comes from an already mature plant. So the clone itself is already mature with zero veg time. So it will flower. Right away. Like Endo/green Santa. I've had a coule that out yielded plants vegged for over month. But with 12/12 fs. You don't want to top or train too much. So its growth won't slow down. Or the stress make it a male or hermie.
Though there are numerous debates on veg time vs yield, at least to maturity there is no point using 12/12 lighting on a seedling.
Thanks guys
I don't know yet,this is my first time doing the solo cup thing but if I were to guess...
From left to right....25g,15g,15g,11g...i'll post weights after it dries,pics after I trim
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Cfls bro,not dense buds......its just that I didn't trim any fluff or popcorn buds,I weighed it all:lol.The little short one had some hard bud though.wow must be some dense buds to get almost an OZ of that little plants for 12-12 from seed. Good job
to top or to LST? i will move in a month my seedlings a week old but i know they can get stretchy on 12/12 so i intend to put each of em on a box.. thats why i need to keep em short, in case topping or lst around what node to do it on 12/12 and around what week?
^^^^ sweet .....dude.... Where I'm at now its 100+ degrees in the afternoon. 80 at night and in the morning. In oct-Dec its in the 70' mid 80's. Then in Jan and Feb its 70 in the day and 30-40 at night . But with my current outdoor. I force flower. Moving them inside after 12 hours of light due to city lights and what not. So I'd do that with 12/12 from seed. I'll check yours out too.
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I couldn't find yours. Wrong page number.
Can I ask why the lids with the hole in the middle?Nothing special,just proof 12/12 can be done outsideView attachment 2813766View attachment 2813767
Maybe instead of moving them inside everynight,you could set a trash can over it.Just don't leave the can on during the day!
I have a small storage closet outside a few feet away that I move them into anyway. They are in 3 and 5 gals and lst to keep some what short so neighbors can't see them.Nothing special,just proof 12/12 can be done outsideView attachment 2813766View attachment 2813767
Maybe instead of moving them inside everynight,you could set a trash can over it.Just don't leave the can on during the day!
To help with worms and bugs.I have holes in the sides of the buckets for the roots to get a little air.Hell man ants will make a freaking bed on top if I don't have a lidCan I ask why the lids with the hole in the middle?