37 million honey bees found dead in Canada

[ginjawarrior]

Get to know some bee farmers who have been in the business long enough to know pre GMO.
Talk to them and ask them questions, they are anti GMO too because they have suffered larger
death losses year to year since GMO's have become a standard.

They understand the uphill battle they are up against in the form of major corps and farmers who
turn over better profits using GMO's.

There is validity in their claims.

If there's validity why is it there's no science behind it?

Anecdotes are not evidence

 

[colonuggs]

and global warming is not caused by the greenhouse effect either

You will always have people who don't want to see whats really out there..

 

[ricky1lung]

If there's validity why is it there's no science behind it?

Anecdotes are not evidence

Was there science stating the world is flat before someone proved it? Nope.

Has any corp from Bayer to Mons proven they are not harming anything from bees to humans? No they have not.
We are in the infancy of this debate, by the end of it Im more than confident there will be all kinds of crow being eaten.

Why would monsanto need protection or seek protection from the law if their studies proved they were not harmful?

 

[colonuggs]

Has any corp from Bayer to Mons proven they are not harming anything from bees to humans? No they have not.
We are in the infancy of this debate, by the end of it Im more than confident there will be all kinds of crow being eaten.

Why would monsanto need protection or seek protection from the law if their studies proved they were not harmful?

Yep Monsanto is makin sure no one stops them...they cant be sued or stopped now in the USA ...Big $$$ always wins

The so-called Monsanto Protection Act is actually a provision (officially known as Section 735) within a recently passed Congressional spending bill, H.R. 933, which exempts biotech companies from litigation in regard to the making, selling and distribution of genetically engineered (GE) seeds and plants.


President Obama signed the bill and its controversial rider into law in March 2013 much to the dismay of environmentalists. It means that Monsanto and other companies that supply the majority of the nation’s crop seeds can continue to produce GE products regardless of any potential court orders stating otherwise.

Opponents of GE foods believe that giving such companies a free reign over the production of such potentially dangerous organisms regardless of judicial challenge is a bad idea—especially given how little we still know about the biological and ecological implications of widespread use of GE crops.

 

[ricky1lung]

I just want to point out another thing to those who trust these companies.

Research this:

Bayer - Nazi connection.

Then come back here and tell us these type of corps are out for the greater good and not profits.

You seriously trust that? [facepalm]

 

[colonuggs]

research Monsanto and agent orange..... the makers of it.. companies been in the Government's pocket this entire time

 

[ricky1lung]

And Bayer produced Zyclon B that was used in gas chambers by the Nazi's.

Thank you for injecting some reason in this thread Colonuggs.

 

[ginjawarrior]

and global warming is not caused by the greenhouse effect either

You will always have people who don't want to see what really out there..

I believe in AGW because there is solid science behind it

Your spiel, propagated from sites like mercola, with no science yet oft repeated lies. has all the hall marks of climate change deniers

 

[ginjawarrior]

I just want to point out another thing to those who trust these companies.

Research this:

Bayer - Nazi connection.

Then come back here and tell us these type of corps are out for the greater good and not profits.

You seriously trust that? [facepalm]

WOW...... that's like really deep maaaan


But top marks for mentioning Bayer one of the companies actually manufacturing the neonicotinoids

 

[ginjawarrior]

Yep Monsanto is makin sure no one stops them...they cant be sued or stopped now in the USA ...Big $$$ always wins

Which bullshit blog did you pull that from?

 

[colonuggs]

I believe in AGW because there is solid science behind it

Your spiel, propagated from sites like mercola, with no science yet oft repeated lies. has all the hall marks of climate change deniers

Then my friend go eat all the GMO food you want...me ill stick to local farm fresh from growers I know

there is a reason why National Laws have been made so NOONE can bring ANY charges against Monsanto and their GMOs

 

[ginjawarrior]

Then my friend go eat all the GMO food you want...me ill stick to local farm fresh from growers I know

there is a reason why laws have been made so onone can bring any charges against Monsanto

The law does not say what you claim it does

 

[ricky1lung]

WOW...... that's like really deep maaaan


But top marks for mentioning Bayer one of the companies actually manufacturing the neonicotinoids

Your condescending reply still does not change real facts about these companies that have been proven over time.
You must mean top marks for having knowledge on the subject you are yet able to refute?

One sided tests and "science" have no credibility when they need protection from the law and there
has not yet been enough research to dispute their claims from opposing forces.

Keep drinking the Kool-Aid, thats how these companies made their money while they were killing people
to begin with after all. They don't mind, nor do they care.

 

[HBE4R20]

Let me guess Ginja you probably don't think fluoride is bad for us either
and STILL won't answer my question about Monsanto possibly owning rights to seed strains in the distant future.
They would most likely start to control that industry turning everything into greed while in the process of not giving 2 fucks about the general care of the people or medicinal factors only caring about what matters to them money.
I would also like to hear you deny that they would take that route because if you did then you would be talking out your ass.
Insult me all you want and say I have "Pet ideology"
even though you should very well be aware that it has a great chance of happening but would rather worry about it when it happens
or use the excuse that this thread was started about bee's so you cant talk about anything else related to Monsanto

 

[colonuggs]

Which bullshit blog did you pull that from?

no blog its a protection act

The so-called Monsanto Protection Act is actually a provision (officially known as Section 735) within a recently passed Congressional spending bill, H.R. 933, which exempts biotech companies from litigation in regard to the making, selling and distribution of genetically engineered (GE) seeds and plants.

There's a lot being said about it, but here are five terrifying facts about the Farmer Assurance Provision -- Section 735 of the spending bill -- to get you acquainted with the reasons behind the ongoing uproar:

1.) The "Monsanto Protection Act" effectively bars federal courts from being able to halt the sale or planting of controversial genetically modified (aka GMO) or genetically engineered (GE) seeds, no matter what health issues may arise concerning GMOs in the future. The advent of genetically modified seeds -- which has been driven by the massive Monsanto Company -- and their exploding use in farms across America came on fast and has proved a huge boon for Monsanto's profits.
But many anti-GMO folks argue there have not been enough studies into the potential health risks of this new class of crop. Well, now it appears that even if those studies are completed and they end up revealing severe adverse health effects related to the consumption of genetically modified foods, the courts will have no ability to stop the spread of the seeds and the crops they bear.

2.) The provision's language was apparently written in collusion with Monsanto. Lawmakers and companies working together to craft legislation is by no means a rare occurrence in this day and age. But the fact that Sen. Roy Blunt, Republican of Missouri, actually worked with Monsanto on a provision that in effect allows them to keep selling seeds, which can then go on to be planted, even if it is found to be harmful to consumers, is stunning. It's just another example of corporations bending Congress to their will, and it's one that could have dire risks for public health in America.

3.) Many members of Congress were apparently unaware that the "Monsanto Protection Act" even existed within the bill they were voting on. HR 933 was a spending bill aimed at averting a government shutdown and ensuring that the federal government would continue to be able to pay its bills. But the Center for Food Safety maintains that many Democrats in Congress were not even aware that the provision was in the legislation:
“In this hidden backroom deal, Sen. [Barbara] Mikulski turned her back on consumer, environmental and farmer protection in favor of welfare for biotech companies such as Monsanto,” Andrew Kimbrell, executive director of the Center for Food Safety, said in a statement. “This abuse of power is not the kind of leadership the public has come to expect from Sen. Mikulski or the Democrat Majority in.”

4.) The President did nothing to stop it, either. On Tuesday, Obama signed HR 933 while the rest of the nation was fixated on gay marriage, as the U.S. Supreme Court heard oral argument concerning California's Proposition 8. But just because most of the nation and the media were paying attention to gay marriage doesn't mean that others were not doing their best to express their opposition to the "Monsanto Protection Act." In fact, more than 250,000 voters signed a petition opposing the provision. And Food Democracy Now protesters even took their fight straight to Obama, protesting in front of the White House against Section 735 of the bill. He signed it anyway.

5.) It sets a terrible precedent. Though it will only remain in effect for six months until the government finds another way its operations, the message it sends is that corporations can get around consumer safety protections if they get Congress on their side. Furthermore, it sets a precedent that suggests that court challenges are a privilege, not a right.
“I think any time you tweak with the ability of the public to seek redress from the courts, you create a huge risk,” Seattle attorney Bill Marler -- who has represented victims of foodborne illness in successful lawsuits against corporations -- told the New York Daily News

 

[ginjawarrior]

no blog its a protection act

The so-called Monsanto Protection Act is actually a provision (officially known as Section 735) within a recently passed Congressional spending bill, H.R. 933, which exempts biotech companies from litigation in regard to the making, selling and distribution of genetically engineered (GE) seeds and plants.

Your kidding right? That quoted text where did you pull it from because it certainly isn't text from the law (I have read that law)

And it does not say what you think it says

 

[colonuggs]

Your kidding right? That quoted text where did you pull it from because it certainly isn't text from the law (I have read that law)

And it does not say what you think it says

ok what does it say then..I can tell you what it means..

1.) The "Monsanto Protection Act" effectively bars federal courts from being able to halt the sale or planting of controversial genetically modified (aka GMO) or genetically engineered (GE) seeds, no matter what health issues may arise concerning GMOs in the future. The advent of genetically modified seeds -- which has been driven by the massive Monsanto Company -- and their exploding use in farms across America came on fast and has proved a huge boon for Monsanto's profits.

 

[heckler73]

Here is the source of the source of the source article:

http://www.thepost.on.ca/2013/06/19/bees-dying-by-the-millions

They just used an estimation to calculate the numbers.
600 hives were lost on this particular farm.
37E6/6E2 ~6E4 bees per hive ? 60000?
Damn... they can pack a lot of bees into those tiny boxes...

Anyway, the farmer says that as soon as they planted corn nearby, the bees died...
[HR][/HR]Once the corn started to get planted our bees died by the millions,” Schuit said. He and many others, including the European Union, are pointing the finger at a class of insecticides known as neonicotinoids, manufactured by Bayer CropScience Inc. used in planting corn and some other crops. The European Union just recently voted to ban these insecticides for two years, beginning December 1, 2013, to be able to study how it relates to the large bee kill they are experiencing there also.
...
What seems to be deadly to bees is that the neonicotinoid pesticides are coating corn seed and with the use of new air seeders, are blowing the pesticide dust into the air when planted. The death of millions of pollinators was looked at by American Purdue University. They found that, “Bees exhibited neurotoxic symptoms, analysis of dead bees revealed traces of thiamethoxam/clothianidin in each case. Seed treatments of field crops (primarily corn) are the only major source of these compounds.
[HR][/HR]
Purdue study (published Jan 3 2012):
http://extension.entm.purdue.edu/beehive/pdf/multiple routes-PLOS.pdf

There is a registry for apiaries so that nearby farmers can be notified of their presence.
But that only works when all parties participate and respect the guidelines...

 

[Pats Against NFL]

Sorry Ginja but I'm inclined to lean towards colunuggs and HBE4R20. Your argument is somewhat unsubstantiated.

 

[ginjawarrior]

Which bullshit blog did you pull that from?

no blog its a protection act

The so-called Monsanto Protection Act is actually a provision (officially known as Section 735) within a recently passed Congressional spending bill, H.R. 933, which exempts biotech companies from litigation in regard to the making, selling and distribution of genetically engineered (GE) seeds and plants.

It certainly is from a blog

ok what does it say then..I can tell you what it means..

1.) The "Monsanto Protection Act" effectively bars federal courts from being able to halt the sale or planting of controversial genetically modified (aka GMO) or genetically engineered (GE) seeds, no matter what health issues may arise concerning GMOs in the future. The advent of genetically modified seeds -- which has been driven by the massive Monsanto Company -- and their exploding use in farms across America came on fast and has proved a huge boon for Monsanto's profits.

bars federal courts from being able to halt the sale or planting of controversial genetically modified (aka GMO) or genetically engineered (GE) seeds,

That is all the law does it stops nuisance lawsuits destroying farmers crops with injunctions

It doesn't stop anyone being sued

It certainly doesn't do what you claimed

there is a reason why National Laws have been made so NOONE can bring ANY charges against Monsanto and their GMOs

Yep Monsanto is makin sure no one stops them...they cant be sued or stopped now in the USA ...Big $$$ always wins

When you quote something as evidence you should post the link where you found it