Finally some common sense out of DC

[FreedomWorks]

are you arguing that consumers spending money on stuff, also known as aggregate demand, does not create jobs?

Congratulations on once again taking the crown as the stupidest person on RIU. Welfare creates dependency, laziness, and the absence of ambition. But you already know that. You call it "progress". Why do you call yourselves "liberals", when you don't believe in Liberty? Why do you call yourselves "progressive", when all you provide is regression? Why do you call yourselves "democrats", when you use the judicial system with activist judges to override democracy? The ANSWER IS YOU'RE A FAKE.

 

[theexpress]

*eggscalated

don't egg him on...

 

[UncleBuck]

Congratulations on once again taking the crown as the stupidest person on RIU. Welfare creates dependency, laziness, and the absence of ambition. But you already know that. You call it "progress". Why do you call yourselves "liberals", when you don't believe in Liberty? Why do you call yourselves "progressive", when all you provide is regression? Why do you call yourselves "democrats", when you use the judicial system with activist judges to override democracy? The ANSWER IS YOU'RE A FAKE.

lol, a sock puppet is calling me a fake.

say, if "welfare" creates laziness and destroys ambition, why do 58% of people on food stamps work for a living?

 

[thecoolman]

lol, a sock puppet is calling me a fake.

say, if "welfare" creates laziness and destroys ambition, why do 58% of people on food stamps work for a living?

Because with the obama economy most new jobs are part time low skilled wall mart type crap.
Damn Bucky I thought even you new this.

 

[RPM371]

No. It will significantly reduce the efficiency, if not render it completely inefficient.

So Snickers creates more jobs than steak and Red Bull creates more jobs than milk? I don't think you've thought this thru. What I do think is you've made a kneejerk reaction to overhauling a program that is in severe need of overhaul.

What you want is to do away with the nutrition program and send them a check to spend as they wish. You're against restrictions and it's a stimulus program, right? I'd prefer to focus on nutrition in a nutrition program.

 

[UncleBuck]

Because with the obama economy most new jobs are part time low skilled wall mart type crap.
Damn Bucky I thought even you new this.

so you're of the opinion that this phenomenon is unique to january 2009 and forward?

because when it happened under shrub, you guys boasted of job creation.

hypocrisy is nothing new to you guys (notice how i am competent enough to use "new" correctly, unlike you).

have fun at your "wall mart" job, with your illiteracy you seem destined to be fired from such a job for incompetency.

 

[RPM371]

what a rapist wit.

 

[thecoolman]

so you're of the opinion that this phenomenon is unique to january 2009 and forward?

because when it happened under shrub, you guys boasted of job creation.




No Bucktard Busch sucked but obama is far far worse and yes after 5 years this is his economy.

 

[UncleBuck]

No Bucktard Busch sucked but obama is far far worse and yes after 5 years this is his economy.

actually, the record shows obama has a much better record of job creation than bush, which is not difficult as bush had a record of basically no net job creation after 8 years in office.

but at least there are "wall mart" jobs for illiterate dimwits like you, so say thanks.

 

[Fungus Gnat]

What you want is to do away with the nutrition program and send them a check to spend as they wish. You're against restrictions and it's a stimulus program, right?

That was the plan of Milton Friedman.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Negative_income_tax

So Snickers creates more jobs than steak and Red Bull creates more jobs than milk?

Calories are calories. Would it make you feel better if you got to hit the poor with sticks?

 

[UncleBuck]

Calories are calories.

i like you too much to rip this apart mercilessly.

i am with RPM on this one, food stamps should be limited to staple items.

 

[FreedomWorks]

actually, the record shows obama has a much better record of job creation than bush, which is not difficult as bush had a record of basically no net job creation after 8 years in office.

but at least there are "wall mart" jobs for illiterate dimwits like you, so say thanks.

I thought democrats were supposed to be all about the little guy? Faker.
All you care about is where the tax dollars go. You're like a little communist sponge. You contribute nothing.
The unemployment rate has dropped because in Obomber's economy, hundreds of thousands of more people have given up looking for work; thus decreasing the unemployment rate. Is a citation needed? Probably not, but humor me anyway.

 

[UncleBuck]

I thought democrats were supposed to be all about the little guy? Faker.
All you care about is where the tax dollars go. You're like a little communist sponge. You contribute nothing.
The unemployment rate has dropped because in Obomber's economy, hundreds of thousands of more people have given up looking for work; thus decreasing the unemployment rate. Is a citation needed? Probably not, but humor me anyway.

oh, are the baby boomers retiring now?*

i bet it's all because of obama, rather than the fact that they are 70 years old now.

i blame obama for old age AND stubbed toes, thereby making me more american than you.

you are a communist nazi hitler-sucking pedophile, thus i win.

 

[Fungus Gnat]

i like you too much to rip this apart mercilessly.

i am with RPM on this one, food stamps should be limited to staple items.

I like me as well.

It would kind of kill the economic benefit of providing such a program. I wouldn't have a problem with that if there was an increase in funding so people could actually afford healthier foods. Preservative filled foods tend to be cheaper and last longer. I would worry about long term shortages in the supply chain of those staple foods similar to the ussr in the 80's. The ability of people to have choice helps keep the cost low.

Is a store going to miss out on a sale or ring it up as eggs,milk or cheese like they do with booze? How much will it cost to enforce such a ban?

although I understand the frustration with abuse.
[video=youtube;NzspsovNvII]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NzspsovNvII[/video]

 

[RPM371]

I like me as well.

It would kind of kill the economic benefit of providing such a program. I wouldn't have a problem with that if there was an increase in funding so people could actually afford healthier foods. Preservative filled foods tend to be cheaper and last longer. I would worry about long term shortages in the supply chain of those staple foods similar to the ussr in the 80's. The ability of people to have choice helps keep the cost low.

Is a store going to miss out on a sale or ring it up as eggs,milk or cheese like they do with booze? How much will it cost to enforce such a ban?

$1 spent is $1 spent. Making healthier meals means lower healthcare costs. A bag of flour will last longer than a bag of Cheetos. You can't just "ring booze up as eggs" under WIC, right now there are ways to manipulate that under SNAP. Wouldn't it be nice to stop that?

 

[UncleBuck]

when i see people using food stamps at the store, it generally falls into two categories, almost without fail:

-mexicans and hispanics buying milk, eggs, bananas, potatoes, and vegetables with a balance left on their card

-white trash buying starburst, cheetoes, and red bull with no balance left on their card and two weeks left until they get re-upped

whenever i see the latter, i always look at the cashier and say "i hope that bag of cheetoes can last them until the 3rd of next month".

 

[Fungus Gnat]

$1 spent is $1 spent. Making healthier meals means lower healthcare costs. A bag of flour will last longer than a bag of Cheetos. You can't just "ring booze up as eggs" under WIC, right now there are ways to manipulate that under SNAP. Wouldn't it be nice to stop that?

Except when everyone is buying milk and there is a certain amount produced the price increases as there is less of it. If you limit what can be bought you increase the price even further. What difference does it make if they make unhealthy food from scratch or buy it premade?

What happens when the people that work for the food companies are laid off?

Wouldn't it be nice to stop that?

depends how much more it costs to police it.

 

[heckler73]

Except when everyone is buying milk and there is a certain amount produced the price increases as there is less of it. If you limit what can be bought you increase the price even further. What difference does it make if they make unhealthy food from scratch or buy it premade?

What happens when the people that work for the food companies are laid off?

depends how much more it costs to police it.

Hmmm... and what about wasted food

[HR][/HR]What is waste?

Waste occurs at every level of the food value chain and there are many causes. The website www.lovefoodhatewaste.com (2010) used cheese as an example of how waste impacts us financially and environmentally. It is not just the products themselves that are lost; it is the energy, water, packaging and human resources used in production, transportation, retailing/food service and home storage: “…(from) feeding and milking the cows, cooling and transporting the milk, processing it into cheese, packing it, getting it to the shops, keeping it at the right temperature. If it then gets thrown away, it may end up in a landfill site, where rather than harmlessly decomposing as many people think, it rots and actually releases methane, a powerful greenhouse gas.”
[HR][/HR]Gooch, Martin; Felfel, Abdel; Marenick, Nicole. Food Waste in Canada: Opportunities to Increase the Competitiveness of Canada's Agri-food Sector, while Simultaneously Improving the Environment.
Guelph, ON, CAN: Value Chain Management Centre, George Morris Centre, 2010. p 2.

Around 30% of food in Canada is wasted. I don't believe supply will be an issue outside of some catastrophic disease wiping out livestock or crops...



BTW what's with this CAPTCHA I have to fill out in order to post?

 

[RPM371]

when i see people using food stamps at the store, it generally falls into two categories, almost without fail:

-mexicans and hispanics buying milk, eggs, bananas, potatoes, and vegetables with a balance left on their card

-white trash buying starburst, cheetoes, and red bull with no balance left on their card and two weeks left until they get re-upped.

Bingo! That is exactly what I saw day after day.

 

[UncleBuck]

Bingo! That is exactly what I saw day after day.

i think my own unique experience of seeing this owes a lot to upbringing of the parties i witness.

a middle aged hispanic lady who probably grew up in mexico or some other poorer, central american nation with strong gender roles is gonna be more likely to do actual cooking with staple items.

some 22 year old piece of shit street life white trash is gonna be more inclined to try to mimic the unhealthy, sugar laden cereals and juice drinks they grew up on. same reason why they don't allow backpacks in the store anymore and every 6-pack of lemon lime soda has been reduced to a 5-pack or 4-pack.

would it kill these stupid fucking punks to pick up some bread, peanut butter, ramen, potatoes, eggs, and butter at the beginning of the month?*