Guns don't kill people, gun owners kill people.

Dr Kynes

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Say what you say it makes me look great. My paradigm is gun safety and reality. If you think that infringes on you freedom you are a selfish, moron, who does not know what debate means. Dr. K don't pretend to listen......just wait to argue anything I say.
no, your paradigm is "my rights are sacred, the ones you value are worthless so im taking them away"

that makes you a douche.

and if what you babble were of any value, you would be able to discuss these claims without screaming and crying like a bitch.
 

Lurkdewitt

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no, that wasn't the reason, that was a reason, and it is the least relevant of all nowadays.

you ain't gonna stand up to or take down the government with your little pea shooter anymore.
Is was or wasn't a reason? So what was the real reason it was written into the constitution? For stand my ground laws?
I completely disagree that it is not relevant nowadays, there are many different tyrannical government running countries right now. What separates the US from those other countries? Tyranny happens when there is social or economical disrest and can happen anywhere.
 

burgertime2010

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no, your paradigm is "my rights are sacred, the ones you value are worthless so im taking them away"

that makes you a douche.

and if what you babble were of any value, you would be able to discuss these claims without screaming and crying like a bitch.
I agree "My rights are sacred" and I value them even through contempt......the babble is pragmatism, nothing totalitarian or exotic really..................."The greater good" is my impetus, I care like any other douchebag libtard......but I am tired of beating around the bush here. Arch conservatives are simply bad people. Yes, liberals are better because they care.......you can only use insults because you and all your crony's are just insensitive assholes. If Karma exists I would rather be right here. I am not a crybaby......you are not safer......I am cynical.......you are delusional. The tyranny that only a gun can remedy is laughable logically. Uncle Sam knocks and you????? I suggest fixations that include rights, just the ones that are relevant. Good luck.
 

burgertime2010

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Look, I am usually the one asking questions, an idealist, just charging up for a dialogue. I am tired of the anti-intellectual movement in this place, the disrespect and me sitting in defense of creative solutions. Frankly, I prefer civil dialogue. It gets tiring to be good, sensitive, and decent. You are right.....I give him no credit in that area, and likewise receive no credit for courtesy or respect. Tell this sensitive blow-job to find an 80's movie and better ideas. The condescending and sarcasm gets nauseating....I have a limit.
 

Doer

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no, that wasn't the reason, that was a reason, and it is the least relevant of all nowadays.

you ain't gonna stand up to or take down the government with your little pea shooter anymore.
I agree the times have changed. We don't have foreign troops quartered here, but we did.

Jefferson was the Grandaddy liberal, but he famously surmised that one day, the govt could become tyrannical, despite the best intentions. And the Founders knew there were already Anti-Con forces inside and out. See the President's Oath. It is the only one in the Constitution.

So, you can't stand up with a pea shooter, right. That's why you only want pea shooters. :). But, squads with ARs are a match for any unit's individual firepower.

The Cong had no air power, helicopter supplied fire bases, $Millions a day in ordinance. The Cong got our stuff and used it against us and won.

If you need weapons take them, says Che.

It is not the weapons that win the fight. It is the will alone that wins.

But, it is too insidious now. The idea that some internal Rebel Army stands up inside, and says OK, lets fight, is not it. So, Buck is correct in that way. Since this is a Federated Gang, no State can get out of the Union. So, an overthrow of the Federal govt has to be done by the States. It is not a Monarchy where you wave the severed head around and you are done.

If you tried to overthrow a State govt, the mutual aid kicks in and the Fed falls on the little problem and obliterates it.

No, really, guns were and are now mainly for the break down in civil order. Injuns, and French marauders. Crazy Texans running around. Mormons torching newspapers.

Guns are the strength of America. We can and do take matters into our own hands in self rule. WE guard while the Cops flee like in New Orleans, Watts, Harlem, Chicago, Detroit, Oakland, etc.

And there was not a gun nut culture until all the clamp down began. Think about that.

Guns were normal tools until the lying and handwaving emotion tamper that Buck and others fell for. That created the Gun Nut Culture.

Thank you, Libertard busybodies, do-gooders. Now there is a really crazy looking opposition, to your crazy looking opposition to a Constitutional Right.

No one understands backlash.
 

Doer

Well-Known Member
Look, I am usually the one asking questions, an idealist, just charging up for a dialogue. I am tired of the anti-intellectual movement in this place, the disrespect and me sitting in defense of creative solutions. Frankly, I prefer civil dialogue. It gets tiring to be good, sensitive, and decent. You are right.....I give him no credit in that area, and likewise receive no credit for courtesy or respect. Tell this sensitive blow-job to find an 80's movie and better ideas. The condescending and sarcasm gets nauseating....I have a limit.
We talked about this before. If you can't take the heat, go cool off. No one here will give you all that soft soap you crave. It is just words, and words can never hurt you. Stick and stones break bones. Not words.
 

justanotherbozo

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...i'm surprised to find you guy's still trying to reason with the unreasonable, ...libtard morons like the original poster and those two other fools, burgerdick and Uncle fuck face are so convinced that they are right, even when the evidence so clearly proves them wrong that wasting time even acknowledging their existence is a complete waste of time, they are the shit you scrape from your shoe.

...frankly, talking to these fools is like pissing in the wind, you get some relief but you always walk away covered in piss.

fuck these fools, let them jerk themselves off to their hearts content, they will NEVER get our guns so let them sit here and have a party, hell they each brought their own whine anyway.

"No Free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." Thomas Jefferson

"And that the said Constitution be never construed to authorize Congress to infringe the just liberty of the Press, or the rights of Conscience; or to prevent the people of the United States, who are peaceable citizens, from keeping their own arms;…" Samuel Adams

"Before a standing army can rule, the people must be disarmed; as they are in almost every kingdom of Europe. The supreme power in America cannot enforce unjust laws by the sword; because the whole body of the people are armed, and constitute a force superior to any bands of regular troops…" Noah Webster

bozo
 

justanotherbozo

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Sometimes you say the sexists things!
...i'm with you man, it's rare to see such a family sized fool get something right, lol, i guess even a broken clock is right twice a day.

...and kudos for your patience in dealing with these libtard asshats, i had to walk away before i popped, lol.

peace, bozo
 

Doer

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...i'm with you man, it's rare to see such a family sized fool get something right, lol, i guess even a broken clock is right twice a day.

...and kudos for your patience in dealing with these libtard asshats, i had to walk away before i popped, lol.

peace, bozo
Yes, Sarcasm can run the full circle around into the Freudian truth.
 

Doer

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...i'm with you man, it's rare to see such a family sized fool get something right, lol, i guess even a broken clock is right twice a day.

...and kudos for your patience in dealing with these libtard asshats, i had to walk away before i popped, lol.

peace, bozo
Just photons from a screen, bro. Ain't no big thing. Just another plot by the Man to keep the brothers down.
 

burgertime2010

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We talked about this before. If you can't take the heat, go cool off. No one here will give you all that soft soap you crave. It is just words, and words can never hurt you. Stick and stones break bones. Not words.
I appreciate you looking out. I am happy as a clam really....and I am a grown up. They are just my words, if hardball is all certain minds can process than I am simply accommodating. No stress.
 

Dr Kynes

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I agree "My rights are sacred" and I value them even through contempt......the babble is pragmatism, nothing totalitarian or exotic really..................."The greater good" is my impetus, I care like any other douchebag libtard......but I am tired of beating around the bush here. Arch conservatives are simply bad people. Yes, liberals are better because they care.......you can only use insults because you and all your crony's are just insensitive assholes. If Karma exists I would rather be right here. I am not a crybaby......you are not safer......I am cynical.......you are delusional. The tyranny that only a gun can remedy is laughable logically. Uncle Sam knocks and you????? I suggest fixations that include rights, just the ones that are relevant. Good luck.
amazing, you spat all that crap out, yet still have not provided the mystical secret sutras which granted you the wisdom to declare Guns R Bad mmm'kay.

your Impassioned Pleas and terror at the idea your neighbors might have arms is not rational, nor is it a compelling reason for me to surrender my guns, which have never killed anyone except possibly my Enfeild. having been issued during the indian uprisings, and WW2, as well as the pakistan partition, it MAY have discharged a round on target, but even so, it's not the gun's fault, it had a job to do.

you unleash ad hominems against EVERYONE who doesnt wish to sacrifice the second amendment, based upon your abuse of the first, and yet you fail to realize your own much prized first amendment rights are ALSO "240 year old beliefs" from the EXACT SAME DOCUMENT that you declared "Obsolete".

and actually yes, you are a crybaby.

support your claims with EVIDENCE or accept that it's just your opinion, and has no more wieght that my opinion that all lefties should be forced to wear a mark or badge on their clothing so they can be quickly identified, and their views summarily dismissed.
 

Dr Kynes

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...i'm surprised to find you guy's still trying to reason with the unreasonable, ...libtard morons like the original poster and those two other fools, burgerdick and Uncle fuck face are so convinced that they are right, even when the evidence so clearly proves them wrong that wasting time even acknowledging their existence is a complete waste of time, they are the shit you scrape from your shoe.

...frankly, talking to these fools is like pissing in the wind, you get some relief but you always walk away covered in piss.

fuck these fools, let them jerk themselves off to their hearts content, they will NEVER get our guns so let them sit here and have a party, hell they each brought their own whine anyway.

"No Free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." Thomas Jefferson

"And that the said Constitution be never construed to authorize Congress to infringe the just liberty of the Press, or the rights of Conscience; or to prevent the people of the United States, who are peaceable citizens, from keeping their own arms;…" Samuel Adams

"Before a standing army can rule, the people must be disarmed; as they are in almost every kingdom of Europe. The supreme power in America cannot enforce unjust laws by the sword; because the whole body of the people are armed, and constitute a force superior to any bands of regular troops…" Noah Webster

bozo
Founding Fathered!

 

ElfoodStampo

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Dear America,
Stop pretending you have anything inalienable, 240 year-old legal ideas are obsolete, your gun has nothing to do with freedom and will not protect you, a tyrannical government will have tanks, nothing you do is Christ-like....win elections without him. Everybody is lying to you. Wake up, nevermind, go back to sleep.
This is so wrong and sad. Havent you seen the movie 300, heard the story david and goliath, every enemy has a weakness, you just have to be cunning enough to figure out what it is. Tanks are not impenetrable. my guns will protect me from those driving the tank. Then i get a tank. We don't have legal ideas here, we have laws. Unless specifically designed to, laws do not expire, the constitution does not expire. I'm not sure you understand how our system is supposed to work.
Your correct that everyone is lying to me, its sales and propaganda. Read a book on U.S. law and the constitution.
 

burgertime2010

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I agree the times have changed. We don't have foreign troops quartered here, but we did.

Jefferson was the Grandaddy liberal, but he famously surmised that one day, the govt could become tyrannical, despite the best intentions. And the Founders knew there were already Anti-Con forces inside and out. See the President's Oath. It is the only one in the Constitution.

So, you can't stand up with a pea shooter, right. That's why you only want pea shooters. :). But, squads with ARs are a match for any unit's individual firepower.

The Cong had no air power, helicopter supplied fire bases, $Millions a day in ordinance. The Cong got our stuff and used it against us and won.

If you need weapons take them, says Che.

It is not the weapons that win the fight. It is the will alone that wins.

But, it is too insidious now. The idea that some internal Rebel Army stand up inside, and says OK, lets fight, is not it. So, Buck is correct in that way. Since this is a Federated Gang, no State can get out of the Union. So, an overthrow of the Federal govt has to be done by the States. It is not a Monarchy where you wave the severed head around and you are done.

If you tried to overthrow a State govt, the mutual aid kicks in and the Fed falls on the little problem and obliterates it.

No, really, guns were and are now mainly for the break down in civil order. Injuns, and French marauders. Crazy Texans running around. Mormons torching newspapers.

Guns are the strength of America. We can and do take matters into our own hands in self rule. WE guard while the Cops flee like in New Orleans, Watt, Harlem, Chicago, Detroit, Oakland, etc.

And there was not a gun nut culture until all the clamp down began. Think about that.

Guns were normal tools until the lying and handwaving emotion tamper that Buck and others fell for. That created the Gun Nut Culture.

Thank you, Libertard busybodies, do-gooders. Now there is a really crazy looking opposition, to your crazy looking opposition to a Constitutional Right.

No one understands backlash.
Interesting spin on it, your opinions are good at looking true. I still think 300,000 people have died since guns were used by civilians to restore order here at home. Gun-nuts are the bastard children of a very violent American history and a good amount of irrational fear and racial tension. But the gun nuts are before anything simply consumers. Guns were cleverly put in the hands of all heroes on the silver screen cops, cowboys, war movies almost always had minority antagonists. Brilliant marketing and a scared population can produce any fanatic, not to mention guns are pretty exhilarating and release adrenaline when shot. The power and addiction one experiences is significant but they are here and now. The war between and armed populous and its' government in modern times is not going to restore the power grid, or our civilian communication networks. The strategy for the govt is not residential sweeps, it's no Call of Duty landscape, I speculate that if deprived of power, internet, water, and fresh food people become tyrannical against one and other. That high powered civilian arsenal is effective how in this situation? It seems a little hard to wrap my head around the right still as relevant as it once was. Please, I am trying to understand not take anything, I want to hear this tale play out the way you see it. I notice that gun-related homicide are a non issue for most gun people and wonder why that is? The darker side of widespread civilian ownership of powerful guns, ones that could fight in war, is worth acknowledging. A lot more dead people caught in the spray and ricochet and we owe them a good plausible reason. The Right to Bear Arms ends where? What point do we distinguish what arms anyone has the right to have? Which are both safe to the general public and highly destructive as needed in war. Bombs? Chemicals? Biological Arms should be our inalienable right. The Bill of Rights is not able to address this and these are alienable arms. Is this document still flawless, it leaves a lot of ambiguity and shows the illusion of its' basic tenet. Again, there are a lot of unanswered questions for people like me. There are delusions of how a modern revolt would be fought. I ask that those with opinions, facts, or additional perspective keep this clean exchange, we all need a break and let's talk. What is realistic, what is not, where do the changes need to happen......again please be respectful.
 

Doer

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Interesting spin on it, your opinions are good at looking true.(1) I still think 300,000 people have died since guns were used by civilians to restore order here at home. Gun-nuts are the bastard children of a very violent American history and a good amount of irrational fear and racial tension. But the gun nuts are before anything simply consumers. Guns were cleverly put in the hands of all heroes on the silver screen cops, cowboys, war movies almost always had minority antagonists.

(2)Brilliant marketing and a scared population can produce any fanatic, not to mention guns are pretty exhilarating and release adrenaline when shot. The power and addiction one experiences is significant but they are here and now. The war between and armed populous and its' government in modern times is not going to restore the power grid, or our civilian communication networks. The strategy for the govt is not residential sweeps, it's no Call of Duty landscape, I speculate that if deprived of power, internet, water, and fresh food people become tyrannical against one and other.

That high powered civilian arsenal is effective how in this situation? It seems a little hard to wrap my head around the right still as relevant as it once was. Please, I am trying to understand not take anything, I want to hear this tale play out the way you see it. I notice that(3) gun-related homicide are a non issue for most gun people and wonder why that is? The darker side of widespread (4) civilian ownership of powerful guns, ones that could fight in war, is worth acknowledging. A lot more dead people caught in the spray and ricochet and we owe them a good plausible reason. The Right to Bear Arms ends where? What point do we distinguish what arms anyone has the right to have? Which are both safe to the general public and highly destructive as needed in war. (5)Bombs? Chemicals? Biological Arms should be our inalienable right.

The Bill of Rights is not able to address this and these are alienable arms. Is this document (6)still flawless, it leaves a lot of ambiguity and shows the illusion of its' basic tenet. Again, there are a lot of unanswered questions for people like me. There are delusions of how a (7) modern revolt would be fought. I ask that those with opinions, facts, or additional perspective keep this clean exchange, we all need a break and let's talk. What is realistic, what is not, where do the (8) changes need to happen......again please be respectful.
OK. Thank you. I had to break it into paragraphs to read it, but that is just my les-dixia or whatever it is called. And you are thinking not trolling, so let us go from that. We can go thru it in order of what I bolded above.

- 1, please reference what you mean here and help me understand why that is relevant to you. Where did you get that, etc?

- 2, said before, you have the cart first, horse last. what drives this madness is the very real Anti-Con forces.

- 3, said before, 10,000 murders, is only about 1/2 of all murders per year. People kill. Countries with no guns use blades for mass murder and usually kill more at once.

- 4, DC vs Heller is the law of land. The 2nd is not about hunting it is about killing men, with modern battle rifles.

- 5, in Heller, SCOTUS reaffirmed the definition of Arms (btw, "should" is not what we are discussing in the reality of this)

- 6, never was flawless. the C was immediately Amended and is still being done so.

- 7, said before, this is not about revolt. Like "hunting" and "why do you need a bigger Mag?" Just red herring besides the point. CIVIL UNREST AND GUARDING LIFE, LIMB and PROPERTY

- 8, the change you call it, has beget the gun nut culture as a backlash. Good job. These changes, the gun control stupidity is over in many states.

It is swinging back, self protection is back against the civil unrest at your door. All the Stats show you are on the wrong side of this having been tampered, emotionally. You can rise above it. And you never have to own a gun.

But, evil visits at night and in the day.

So, I am brief this time, as I have said this all before. Face facts. Less confusion.
 
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