Monsanto cannabis yes or no? The DNA Protection Act of 2013

Genetically Engineered Cannabis yes or no?

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Someacdude

Someacdude

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I find world wide that when people behave poorly and you happen to mention it to them ( as in cursing people you dont even know)they generally just love to label people instead of an apology .
Its really a sign of weakness and stupidity.

I have repeatedly and respectfully expressed my views on this subject only to be called names repeatedly by individuals who are evidently not intelligent enough to express them any other way, i even at time tried to express myself in a manner they could hopefully understand , if you chose to call it something other than what it is fine.

Monsanto doesnt care about anything except their bottom line, the government wont care because the fda , ama, will support it to justify their existence, laws will be written, our home growers will lose money and mainstream America will consume whatever they are prescribed by whoever can make the most money on it, and we will no longer get 1/2 of what we make now , because some big money will swoop in and make it cheaper , faster and with little or no overhead besides what they initially fork out which is free after writing it off for a few years.
Why, because they KNOW how to run a business, most dont.
Taxes, workers comp, insurance etc etc see this is how many will be put out of business. Oh sure , the laws may be lax at the outset, but if you dont remember moonshine was highly illegal until just recently, why?
Because it took money away from big business so they drove the smaller business out of business.
Weed will go the same way.
Ever BUY some of your neighbors home brew? Me either, its free, just like weed will become.
We have enough problems with legalization , as a consumer its good, as a grower its the beginning of the end, if they mass market weed like they do cigs etc, we havent got a chance.
 
Dr Kynes

Dr Kynes

Well-Known Member
Someacdude said:
I find world wide that when people behave poorly and you happen to mention it to them ( as in cursing people you dont even know)they generally just love to label people instead of an apology .
Its really a sign of weakness and stupidity.

I have repeatedly and respectfully expressed my views on this subject only to be called names repeatedly by individuals who are evidently not intelligent enough to express them any other way, i even at time tried to express myself in a manner they could hopefully understand , if you chose to call it something other than what it is fine.

Monsanto doesnt care about anything except their bottom line, the government wont care because the fda , ama, will support it to justify their existence, laws will be written, our home growers will lose money and mainstream America will consume whatever they are prescribed by whoever can make the most money on it, and we will no longer get 1/2 of what we make now , because some big money will swoop in and make it cheaper , faster and with little or no overhead besides what they initially fork out which is free after writing it off for a few years.
Why, because they KNOW how to run a business, most dont.
Taxes, workers comp, insurance etc etc see this is how many will be put out of business. Oh sure , the laws may be lax at the outset, but if you dont remember moonshine was highly illegal until just recently, why?
Because it took money away from big business so they drove the smaller business out of business.
Weed will go the same way.
Ever BUY some of your neighbors home brew? Me either, its free, just like weed will become.
We have enough problems with legalization , as a consumer its good, as a grower its the beginning of the end, if they mass market weed like they do cigs etc, we havent got a chance.
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you are aware you can go back and see EVERYTHING from the time you entered this thread right?

you started off making assinine claims, outright falsehoods and ad hominems.
you enjoyed the warm embrace of the anti-gmo squad, but then discovered their hugbox did not protect you from FACTS
the facts which were presented destroyed the comfortable assumptions you had built up around you, from "Big Pharma Be Makin Comfrey Illegal" to "Monsanto Makes Weed Killers So They Must Want To kill Our Weed"

having a thin skin and delicate constitution is contra-indicated if you are going to hang around with DNAProtection and indulge in deliberate self-deception. you are not strong enough in your faith to withstand the doubters who disbelieve your communications.
thus you naturally went on this butthurt jihad of name calling, lies, falsehoods, goalpost moving, straw men, ad hominems, red herrings, tantrums and showing off your 'ignore list"

mas marketed weed will not stop homegrown weeds any more than the War On Drugs has. your alanolgy with tobacco is entirely false, as tobacco reqquires very specific climate and conditions, a great deal of care, and shitloads of specialized treatment after harvest. home grown tobacco is something only a highly skilled gardener or a supremely dedicated smoker could pull of.

if Bwana Bloomberg gets his way and tobacco becomes the next prohibition target, home grown tobacco will become A Thing, but home grown weed has ALWAYS been A Thing.

meanwhile comfrey is still NOT ILLEGAL, strill havent heard you make the "apology" for that one, while you seem to expect everybody else to grovel at your feet for offending your pre-conceptions, and proving you are WRONG.
 
Harrekin

Harrekin

Well-Known Member
Someacdude said:
I find world wide that when people behave poorly and you happen to mention it to them ( as in cursing people you dont even know)they generally just love to label people instead of an apology .
Its really a sign of weakness and stupidity.

I have repeatedly and respectfully expressed my views on this subject only to be called names repeatedly by individuals who are evidently not intelligent enough to express them any other way, i even at time tried to express myself in a manner they could hopefully understand , if you chose to call it something other than what it is fine.

Monsanto doesnt care about anything except their bottom line, the government wont care because the fda , ama, will support it to justify their existence, laws will be written, our home growers will lose money and mainstream America will consume whatever they are prescribed by whoever can make the most money on it, and we will no longer get 1/2 of what we make now , because some big money will swoop in and make it cheaper , faster and with little or no overhead besides what they initially fork out which is free after writing it off for a few years.
Why, because they KNOW how to run a business, most dont.
Taxes, workers comp, insurance etc etc see this is how many will be put out of business. Oh sure , the laws may be lax at the outset, but if you dont remember moonshine was highly illegal until just recently, why?
Because it took money away from big business so they drove the smaller business out of business.
Weed will go the same way.
Ever BUY some of your neighbors home brew? Me either, its free, just like weed will become.
We have enough problems with legalization , as a consumer its good, as a grower its the beginning of the end, if they mass market weed like they do cigs etc, we havent got a chance.
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You butthurt, bro.
 
Trousers

Trousers

Well-Known Member
3 paragraphs that I won't read.
and someacdude will wonder what I am posting here, because he blocked me, because I am a meanie, a big, stinky meanie.
Let me put my love inside of you, someacdude.


 
Doer

Doer

Well-Known Member
Monsanto doesnt care about anything except their bottom line, the government wont care because the fda , ama, will support it to justify their existence, laws will be written, our home growers will lose money and mainstream America will consume whatever they are prescribed by whoever can make the most money on it, and we will no longer get 1/2 of what we make now , because some big money will swoop in and make it cheaper , faster and with little or no overhead besides what they initially fork out which is free after writing it off for a few years.

Here is problem. You are self deceived, but like many of us, you won't admit it, because you can't see it yet. The biggest liar to us, is ourselves. And so we become the main victim of our own self deceit.

You say you come for discussion, but you don't. You simply expect us to buy into and support your line of thinking. It is a false argument but you will not try to refute any counter-point. You just insist and you begin to throw out the insults and the back ass, put downs.

You do that. It is so typical of this false argument style. Where you don't find support, you attack, and when you get served for attacking, you whine about it.

You are only fooling yourself. Look how many times you predict the future as certainty.

You lie to you.
 
DNAprotection

DNAprotection

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http://www.naturalnews.com/042093_internet_trolls_chat_rooms_federal_government.html
[h=1]Federal government routinely hires internet trolls, shills to monitor chat rooms, disrupt article comment sections[/h]Tuesday, September 17, 2013 by: Jonathan Benson, staff writer

;-)



[h=1]Pro-GMO 'experts' are corporate shills with financial ties to Big Tobacco[/h]Monday, September 16, 2013 by: J. D. Heyes


Learn more: http://www.naturalnews.com/042072_GMO_experts_corporate_shills_Big_Tobacco.html#ixzz2f9rIvkpX

(NaturalNews) People who are claiming to be so-called "experts" regarding genetically engineered foods are really just shills for big corporations that have financial ties to Big Tobacco, writes Michele Simon, a public health lawyer who specializes in industry marketing and lobbying tactics.

In a short series of articles posted at TreeHugger.com, which is published by the same company that broadcasts The Discovery Channel, and on her own website, Simon says some of the same industry consultants with ties to the tobacco industry are now lobbying for "Big Food" in "opposing the ballot initiative that would require labeling of all foods containing GMO ingredients."

So-called experts hawking so-called expertise

She cites information contained in the financial filings of a movement, No on 37: Coalition Against the Deceptive Food Labeling Scheme, which showed that a $7,500 payment was made to a political consulting firm, the Sacramento-based MB Public Affairs, which was described this way by the Los Angeles Times last year:

MB Public Affairs is headed by Mark Bogetich, a garrulous operative known to his friends as "Bogey," who has helped a number of Republican candidates neutralize their opponents. In recent years, MB Public Affairs has worked for Altria, once known as the Phillip Morris Cos. ...

Part of the No on 37 effort to lobby against the proposition, according to Simon, is to put up "alleged scientific experts to do its bidding, once again taking a page from the tobacco industry playbook."

According to the organization, the proposition is "deceptive" because it is a "payday for trial lawyers," will "increase food costs for the average family by hundreds of dollars per year" and amount to "a hidden food tax that would especially hurt seniors and low-income families who can least afford it," and is "full of absurd, politically motivated exemptions that make no sense."

But Simon writes that "corporations such as Philip Morris or Monsanto don't have actual facts on their side," so they have had to resort to "third-party experts" to make their case.

One such expert is Henry Miller, a physician and molecular biologist who she says misleadingly wrote in the San Francisco Chronicle recently that "Americans have consumed more than 3 trillion servings of food with genetically engineered ingredients - with not a single documented ill effect."

"This statement is about as relevant as saying that genetically engineered food does not cause herpes. No one has been looking for effect either," says Simon.

She goes on to say that Miller also "misrepresented" positions held by the World Health Organization, the American Medical Association and the National Academy of Sciences when he claimed these groups "and other respected medical and health organizations all conclude that genetically engineered foods are safe."

Ties to tobacco?

In fact, Simon writes, the AMA has called on the Food and Drug Administration to require "pre-market systemic safety assessments of these foods as a preventative measure to ensure the health of the public." Currently, she says, there is no such safety testing apparatus in place for GMO foods.

More recently, Miller penned another op-ed, this one for Forbes magazine, in opposition to Prop 37, which Simon said contained more deception.

For one thing, he writes that the FDA "followed the science and declined to require special labeling for genetically engineered foods." But as Simon has written, the agency's action was only the result of heavy lobbying from Monsanto.

She says Miller is currently a "senior research fellow" at the Hoover Institute after spending 15 years at the FDA "as an outspoken advocate of GMOs."

She said he also has ties to the tobacco industry.

According to a 1994 industry newsletter, she says, "Miller helped write the founding principles for 'The Advancement of Sound Science Coalition' - a now-defunct front group created by Phillip Morris that tried to discredit research linking tobacco to cancer and heart disease, especially among office workers and children living with smoking parents."

Sources:

http://www.treehugger.com

http://www.appetiteforprofit.com

Learn more: http://www.naturalnews.com/042072_GMO_experts_corporate_shills_Big_Tobacco.html#ixzz2f9rhv6a5
 
Dr Kynes

Dr Kynes

Well-Known Member
DNAprotection said:
http://www.naturalnews.com/042093_internet_trolls_chat_rooms_federal_government.html
Federal government routinely hires internet trolls, shills to monitor chat rooms, disrupt article comment sections

Tuesday, September 17, 2013 by: Jonathan Benson, staff writer

;-)



Pro-GMO 'experts' are corporate shills with financial ties to Big Tobacco

Monday, September 16, 2013 by: J. D. Heyes


Learn more: http://www.naturalnews.com/042072_GMO_experts_corporate_shills_Big_Tobacco.html#ixzz2f9rIvkpX

(NaturalNews) People who are claiming to be so-called "experts" regarding genetically engineered foods are really just shills for big corporations that have financial ties to Big Tobacco, writes Michele Simon, a public health lawyer who specializes in industry marketing and lobbying tactics.

In a short series of articles posted at TreeHugger.com, which is published by the same company that broadcasts The Discovery Channel, and on her own website, Simon says some of the same industry consultants with ties to the tobacco industry are now lobbying for "Big Food" in "opposing the ballot initiative that would require labeling of all foods containing GMO ingredients."

So-called experts hawking so-called expertise

She cites information contained in the financial filings of a movement, No on 37: Coalition Against the Deceptive Food Labeling Scheme, which showed that a $7,500 payment was made to a political consulting firm, the Sacramento-based MB Public Affairs, which was described this way by the Los Angeles Times last year:

MB Public Affairs is headed by Mark Bogetich, a garrulous operative known to his friends as "Bogey," who has helped a number of Republican candidates neutralize their opponents. In recent years, MB Public Affairs has worked for Altria, once known as the Phillip Morris Cos. ...

Part of the No on 37 effort to lobby against the proposition, according to Simon, is to put up "alleged scientific experts to do its bidding, once again taking a page from the tobacco industry playbook."

According to the organization, the proposition is "deceptive" because it is a "payday for trial lawyers," will "increase food costs for the average family by hundreds of dollars per year" and amount to "a hidden food tax that would especially hurt seniors and low-income families who can least afford it," and is "full of absurd, politically motivated exemptions that make no sense."

But Simon writes that "corporations such as Philip Morris or Monsanto don't have actual facts on their side," so they have had to resort to "third-party experts" to make their case.

One such expert is Henry Miller, a physician and molecular biologist who she says misleadingly wrote in the San Francisco Chronicle recently that "Americans have consumed more than 3 trillion servings of food with genetically engineered ingredients - with not a single documented ill effect."

"This statement is about as relevant as saying that genetically engineered food does not cause herpes. No one has been looking for effect either," says Simon.

She goes on to say that Miller also "misrepresented" positions held by the World Health Organization, the American Medical Association and the National Academy of Sciences when he claimed these groups "and other respected medical and health organizations all conclude that genetically engineered foods are safe."

Ties to tobacco?

In fact, Simon writes, the AMA has called on the Food and Drug Administration to require "pre-market systemic safety assessments of these foods as a preventative measure to ensure the health of the public." Currently, she says, there is no such safety testing apparatus in place for GMO foods.

More recently, Miller penned another op-ed, this one for Forbes magazine, in opposition to Prop 37, which Simon said contained more deception.

For one thing, he writes that the FDA "followed the science and declined to require special labeling for genetically engineered foods." But as Simon has written, the agency's action was only the result of heavy lobbying from Monsanto.

She says Miller is currently a "senior research fellow" at the Hoover Institute after spending 15 years at the FDA "as an outspoken advocate of GMOs."

She said he also has ties to the tobacco industry.

According to a 1994 industry newsletter, she says, "Miller helped write the founding principles for 'The Advancement of Sound Science Coalition' - a now-defunct front group created by Phillip Morris that tried to discredit research linking tobacco to cancer and heart disease, especially among office workers and children living with smoking parents."

Sources:

http://www.treehugger.com

http://www.appetiteforprofit.com

Learn more: http://www.naturalnews.com/042072_GMO_experts_corporate_shills_Big_Tobacco.html#ixzz2f9rhv6a5
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Dammnit! Dont you Die on me!!

Dont Go Into The Light!!
 
Dr Kynes

Dr Kynes

Well-Known Member
this entire thread has been such a Gold Mine of lulz, it should be preserved forever!

a thousand years from now, stoners should make pilgrimages to this thread's Sacred Shrine where they could leave offerings to the Luziest Of All Threads and pray for it's intercession on their behalf.


Ohh Most Blessed of Threads, I beseech thee, Smite those who would bogart upon thy servant's doobie, lay them low with your Smotency, and also the same for them what gets all slobbery on the pipe.
In Ganja's Name, Amen.
 
Harrekin

Harrekin

Well-Known Member
Dr Kynes said:
this entire thread has been such a Gold Mine of lulz, it should be preserved forever!

a thousand years from now, stoners should make pilgrimages to this thread's Sacred Shrine where they could leave offerings to the Luziest Of All Threads and pray for it's intercession on their behalf.


Ohh Most Blessed of Threads, I beseech thee, Smite those who would bogart upon thy servant's doobie, lay them low with your Smotency, and also the same for them what gets all slobbery on the pipe.
In Ganja's Name, Amen.
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And in his mind, GAYprotection still genuinely thinks he won...
 
DNAprotection

DNAprotection

Well-Known Member
Antidisestablishmentarian said:
*gigantic eye roll* I posted to say let it stay dead. Didn't even read your bullshit of a post.

Let the damn thing stay dead.
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and then would you be truly grateful?
would you not then be a grateful dead thread head?
well dead thread head i think you may have to keep truckin cuz in the coming months me thinks there will plenty more gmo chips to cash in here;)
 
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