The DC Shooter..Aaron Alexis..Contractor Kills 13 at Navy Shipyard..

MuyLocoNC

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aren't people who hang drapes and curtains usually more cheerful? :razz:
Actually, I CHEERFULLY one-starred the thread. Not as cheerful as when I'm hanging shutters (sorry, still haven't ever hung a curtain), but it definitely made me warm and fuzzy on the inside.
 

NoDrama

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Military bases "de-weaponized"??

Maybe on paper, but rest assured that in my billeting we were all packing, in the Marines they just look the other way.

I can see the logic in not letting air force or Navy personnel have personal weapons, someone might get hurt.
 

Doer

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Funny....my Dad was Air Force, and he was allowed in the Army Air Corp to bring his rabbit shotgun tool with him, in Barracks, no place else to keep it.

Then when they went to Air Force, the attitude was, we don't need no stikin' guns. And he was prohibited, back in 1950. Good one and I think the Navy was right along with that.

So, tell me. How is is that Fort Hood, had and surely still has the, no guns in garrison, rule?

I think for the Army at least, this is Now, and I certainly imagine it applies the Corp, as well.

The gun owners are not the gun nuts. The real numb nuts are the ones being driven crazy by the fear of guns.
 

schuylaar

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Actually, I CHEERFULLY one-starred the thread. Not as cheerful as when I'm hanging shutters (sorry, still haven't ever hung a curtain), but it definitely made me warm and fuzzy on the inside.
um, do you kick cowpies to see if they are wet?
 

Doer

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i see the mistake.

you think i reversed my positions rather than make a stupid.

switzerland does have stricter gun control. i am not sure why i typed "looser" earlier. i am up for 18-22 hours a day nowadays to guard. my mind was working in reverse. who knows.

but switzerland does have stricter gun control than us, although it is still "extremely permissive" as compared to europe in general. not as extremely permissive as ours, but still pretty damn permissive.

despite this minor confusion, point 3 and 1 do remain. you even copied and pasted about how wrong NLXSK was. crime is still more associated with SES than gun ownership, no matter how strict or loose gun stuff is in switzerland.

the rest was not worthless. muyloco may be a bigger idiot than you, but at least he's not hauling min wage like some i know, and your post was indeed a lame attempt (based on a mistake i made, admittedly) at associating the obvious correlation between SES and crime as some kind of leftist plot to take away from your racist manifestos.
Dude. Get some sleep and don't second guess yourself. The Swiss have one of the highest rate of gun ownership in the world. All males are conscripted at birth. If by 18 years, you can't show good cause, into the civilian militia you go. And you train until you are 40.

In some 2001 statistics, it is noted that there are about 420,000 assault rifles (fully automatic, or "selective fire") stored at private homes, mostly SIG SG 550 models. Additionally, there are some 320,000 semi-auto rifles and military pistols exempted from military service in private possession, all selective-fire weapons having been converted to semi-automatic operation only. In addition, there are several hundred thousand other semi-automatic small arms classified as carbines. The total number of firearms in private homes is estimated minimally at 1.2 million to 3 million.[SUP][7][/SUP][SUP][broken citation][/SUP]
In 2005 over 10% of households contained handguns, compared to 18% of U.S. households that contained handguns. In 2005 almost 29% of households in Switzerland contained firearms of some kind, compared to almost 43% in the USA.[SUP][8][/SUP]
 

Dr Kynes

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You want to give yourself a pass for making a mistake when you would never do that for another poster? LOL!!! You make me laugh cheesybeard!! Such a fucking hypocrite...
it was not a mistake, that is revisionism.

he made it clear that the swiss have "much Stricter Gun Controls Laws" than the US which is FALSE!

they have strict registration, and strict accounting of bullets.
for law abiding citizens in a nation where the political hacks are unable to simply change their minds and (in the words of rob reiner in "The American President") "Go Door To Door, And Get The Guns", registration is not a concern.

our government has displayed a gleeful willingness to ignore it's own laws and constitution "for Our Own Good" while the swiss DO NOT

if we could trust pour government the way the swiss trust theirs. i would consider registering my arms.

the swiss gun laws are not "Stricter" than the US, in fact many states, such as New York, New Jersey, and California have much tighter controls over who may own a firearms, and the entire nation has MUCH tighter controls on what types of guns may be owned.

the swiss do not just allow their citizenry in good standing to own arms, but they REQUIRE it. the only REAL "strictness" in their system is the accounting for bullets, which requires that all Government Purchased ammo be reserved for approved uses, and civilian owned ammo is required to be used on the site of purchase (your shooting club) or purchased for use with a valid hunting permit.

these schemes do not limit the availability of arms and ammo should someone decide to go on a rampage, despite the left's attempts to describe them so, the bullet accountancy does not make arms unusable, it simply ensures that should ammo be expended, the government will know WHO WHAT WHERE WHEN and WHY (a system which works fine for the swiss, but would never work in the US)

bucky's attempt to characterize the swiss laws as "strict" while simultaneously claiming they are "permissive" when compared to the EU in general is laughable on it's face.

the "strictest" part of the swiss gun law is the MANDATE that every able bodied person be armed, while bullet accountancy simply ensures that there will be no SECRET use of arms in switzerland (but nothing is perfect)

bullet accountancy would never work in the US, based on the simple fact that ammo is NOT THAT HARD TO MAKE nad we have the two longest uncontrolled borders on the planet, one of them connecting the US with a Narco-Kleptocracy (mexico)

anyone who desires arms or ammo can get it quite handily through illegal channels (including Backdoor Sales by the Justice Dept, but thats not Gun Running, it's Gun Walking...) and no law has ever deterred a criminal from crime.

meanwhile, in a nation with armed citizens with automatic weapons wandering the streets, very low crime, but New York City DC and Detroit are awash in crime of all sorts despite their "Strict Laws" regarding guns.

bucky started painting his picture, realized it wasnt gonna work, switched to a whitewash, then painted himself into the corner.
 

Dr Kynes

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Military bases "de-weaponized"??

Maybe on paper, but rest assured that in my billeting we were all packing, in the Marines they just look the other way.

I can see the logic in not letting air force or Navy personnel have personal weapons, someone might get hurt.

http://www.hood.army.mil/dhr/pubs/fhr190-11.pdf

every base is expected to comply with the general orders to 'de-militarize' and become the kinder, gentler meals on wheels for the world.

this included fewer pickets, which were renamed "law enforcement" fewer Military Police patrols, Guardhouses became "access control points" and Gate Guards became "inspection personnel" with only sidearms instead of standard issue rifles, such rifles were kept locked up within the "Access Control Point Shelter"...

but the prohibition of loose arms floating about on bases in camps or billets, and just laying about has been in place since the revolution.
 

El Tiberon

Active Member
Swords, blades, katana murders. Use those key word and you will be surprised.
I never said there were no murders of any type. If the hyper-violent american right wing (who love to kill anything other than an unborn baby) would stop the production of firearms, the US would become much less violent because americans are cowards and will not fight each other with knives. They are too afraid of being punched in the face much less stabbed in a brawl.

Take the guns away and this problem goes away almost completely. Sentence people the way Japan does and the jails fill up with rednecks for simply holding a firearm. Add ammuntion, more time. Add a crime, you are looking at life.

I could kill someone with a slingshot and a 50 caliber steel ball but this does not mean there will be a rash of them beginning if the firearms are all destroyed and the arms companies liquidated.

The world is weary of the violence caused by the mass production and exportation of US firearms. You are only dealing death to the world and the world will cheer when China and Russia make you their slaves. Oh that's right, if the US is attacked on a grand scale it simply sets the world on fire so no others can live there. Cowards.
 

schuylaar

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I never said there were no murders of any type. If the hyper-violent american right wing (who love to kill anything other than an unborn baby) would stop the production of firearms, the US would become much less violent because americans are cowards and will not fight each other with knives. They are too afraid of being punched in the face much less stabbed in a brawl.

Take the guns away and this problem goes away almost completely. Sentence people the way Japan does and the jails fill up with rednecks for simply holding a firearm. Add ammuntion, more time. Add a crime, you are looking at life.

I could kill someone with a slingshot and a 50 caliber steel ball but this does not mean there will be a rash of them beginning if the firearms are all destroyed and the arms companies liquidated.

The world is weary of the violence caused by the mass production and exportation of US firearms. You are only dealing death to the world and the world will cheer when China and Russia make you their slaves. Oh that's right, if the US is attacked on a grand scale it simply sets the world on fire so no others can live there. Cowards.
i agree with your first two paragraphs..

signed,

overstuffed potato bag american women who makes you sick to look at
 

silasraven

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what about all the countries the USA invades every year? what about the innocent men women and children murdered by US forces in another country. this is retrobution for all those USA has slaughtered. i feel sorry for none of those people. pay back for the USA has done to everyone else. 12 people for the lives of a thousands of innocent. payback .5 served.
 

NLXSK1

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what about all the countries the USA invades every year? what about the innocent men women and children murdered by US forces in another country. this is retrobution for all those USA has slaughtered. i feel sorry for none of those people. pay back for the USA has done to everyone else. 12 people for the lives of a thousands of innocent. payback .5 served.
So your perception of justice is an equal amount of innocent people killed on both sides??

Kinda fucked up if you ask me...


WWGS?.. What Would Ghandi Say?
 

Bombur

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i agree with your first two paragraphs..

signed,

overstuffed potato bag american women who makes you sick to look at
You agree that we should fill our already overcrowded prisons with anyone who even holds a gun? That's just one of the insane nut-bag ramblings in those 2 paragraphs that I would hesitate to openly agree with lol..
 

MuyLocoNC

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um, do you kick cowpies to see if they are wet?
Well, well, your comparison of this thread to a steaming pile of shit might be the most accurate post of your unremarkable, albeit short time on RIU.

I'm sure all the deceased, as well as their surviving family members, are relieved that their place of employment was a "gun free" environment. I'm sure they're all resting comfortably in the knowledge that the gub'ment was there to protect them. At least they weren't BURDENED by the choice to defend themselves and possibly miss and wound one of their innocent coworkers.

As we've learned from our liberal members, it's far better that 5, 8, even 12 people are gunned down by a psychopath, than it is to risk having even one of those same people WOUNDED by a good samaritan in the process of saving all their lives.

And of course, UB made the insightful revelation that it wasn't a "gun free" environment because the gunman ended up with two pistols from armed guards. I wish we could ask the deceased if they thought it was "gun free" as they defended themselves with staplers and really sharp #2 pencils. They might have a different view of the situation.
 

Canna Sylvan

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I hope Bill and Buck are busy jerking and sucking each other off. Because they're both to blame for 12 deaths. Buck for suggesting those who are expected to have guns disarmed and Bill for listening to his constituents. This is how Nazi Germany started. Rounding up of the guns, and the only ones with guns on the streets are the criminals (the SS included).
 
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