PolyPloid Plants........ I gots me two and a half!!!!!!

[ButchyBoy]

pol·y·ploid(p

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-ploid

)adj.Having one or more extra sets of chromosomes: a polyploid species; a polyploid cell.

n.An organism with more than two sets of chromosomes.



I hadn't put any thought into it until I read MD914's thread about her Triploid which you should all check out.....


So I had this small blue magoo that I figured I would torture so I started looking for where I would make my first cut. Low and behold she had three branches coming out of the same node. As you could guess, I cut her right above those branches. At that point I put on my glasses and saw that what I had cut off already had three tops! I was bummed that I had not seen the tops but the damage had been done. For the hell of it I scraped the stem of the mini top, dunked it in water for 10 minutes then swished it in some root tone powder. I had a 1 ounce sized solo cup handy so I dropped some soil into it and poked the mini top in.

I had my doubts about the mini top surviving but she has been a real trooper!


Here she is today. roots are starting to show again so she will be moving soon.




Now on to who miniploid came from.......

I did not take any pictures until recently so here she is a couple of weeks ago.



Here she is after being topped for the second time and some clean up. As you can see duct tape is helpful when you get to rough...



Here she has had some veg time.. You can see miniploid right behind her.



Since then I had to relocate her and the clones to another area so I can flip the others.



Bondage is awesome!!!



Here she is today. 8 tops at this point. Not sure if I am going to continue or leave her to veg.

 

[ButchyBoy]

This is not where the ploids end.......

I also have another Blue Magoo that has split into two tops.



This one started out as a clone just like the other. It was vegged for a short time in our greenhouse then moved inside. Again I did not notice it right away but did notice that the stem was rather flat and wide near the top.

There is a lot going on there..



I bound her up so those little branches had a chance at some light.



She is in the flower room with the rest of the gang and was flipped yesterday so its a waiting game at this point.

 

[ButchyBoy]

Correction on the count of tops. There are currently 12 on it. The edit feature is not working for some reason.

 

[MD914]

SUB'D!! I just love freaks!!

 

[ButchyBoy]

You and me both!!! Thanks for jumping in!!

 

[MD914]

You are calling this a polyploid, which means it has an extra "set" of branches. I'm confused about the terminology really, I call mine a tripliod because it has a "third node" per set...I guess it doesn't matter when in the end...we got a little extra
I'm wondering...when I topped mine the new growth had normal sets of nodes that immediately began to grow out staggered, then went even again. Now it seems to want to stagger again. Did you experience anything like this?

 

[HeadieNugz]

Nice mainline, never seen it done on a 'Ploid before.
Subbed.

 

[ButchyBoy]

HeadieNugz Thanks for stopping by. I tend to mutilate one plant per grow in the name of "I got high and had fiskers in my hand". I read a lot about ways to alter the plants and like to see if it works or not first hand. So far leaving the girls alone wins out every time!

MD914 I pulled this from here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polyploid#Polyploidy_in_plants
Polyploidy refers to a numerical change in a whole set of chromosomes. Organisms in which a particular chromosome, or chromosome segment, is under- or overrepresented are said to be aneuploid (from the Greek words meaning "not," "good," and "fold"). Therefore the distinction between aneuploidy and polyploidy is that aneuploidy refers to a numerical change in part of the chromosome set, whereas polyploidy refers to a numerical change in the whole set of chromosomes.

From here... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ploidy
Ploidy Cells are described according to the number of sets present: haploid (1 set), diploid (2 sets), triploid (3 sets), tetraploid (4 sets), pentaploid (5 sets), hexaploid (6 sets), heptaploid[SUP][4][/SUP] or septaploid[SUP][5][/SUP] (7 sets), etc. The generic term polyploid is frequently used to describe cells with three or more sets of chromosomes (triploid or higher ploidy).

I am still learning here so bear with me..
When I cut mine this last time they are alternated but I will pay attention to see if it changes.

 

[MD914]

HeadieNugz Thanks for stopping by. I tend to mutilate one plant per grow in the name of "I got high and had fiskers in my hand". I read a lot about ways to alter the plants and like to see if it works or not first hand. So far leaving the girls alone wins out every time!

MD914 I pulled this from here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polyploid#Polyploidy_in_plants
Polyploidy refers to a numerical change in a whole set of chromosomes. Organisms in which a particular chromosome, or chromosome segment, is under- or overrepresented are said to be aneuploid (from the Greek words meaning "not," "good," and "fold"). Therefore the distinction between aneuploidy and polyploidy is that aneuploidy refers to a numerical change in part of the chromosome set, whereas polyploidy refers to a numerical change in the whole set of chromosomes.

From here... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ploidy
Ploidy Cells are described according to the number of sets present: haploid (1 set), diploid (2 sets), triploid (3 sets), tetraploid (4 sets), pentaploid (5 sets), hexaploid (6 sets), heptaploid[SUP][4][/SUP] or septaploid[SUP][5][/SUP] (7 sets), etc. The generic term polyploid is frequently used to describe cells with three or more sets of chromosomes (triploid or higher ploidy).

I am still learning here so bear with me..
When I cut mine this last time they are alternated but I will pay attention to see if it changes.

Thats great! Thanks for the definition "break-down" lol...Makes a bit more sense to me now
YOUR still learning, I'M still learning...EVERYBODY on this site is still learning! If you find somebody
on here that knows it all...then you've found the one with the most TO LEARN!!
This is only my second grow EVER!!
As for the staggered growth. Let me break it down a little better for you. You need to have a FULL understanding of what I'm describing to you and I didn't do a very good job on that post:

Started out with one main stem with 3 nodes per branch set
I topped it and got 3 main stems but the new growth on these "new tops" produced "normal" 2 nodes per branch set.
Those new branch sets began to grow out "staggered" as if the plant was mature and ready to flower...THEN...
I smashed her stems and tied her down, new growth was back to being "even" or parallel...now we are staggering again...

HA! Is this a high jack??

 

[ThorGanjason]

Cool thread! I have a white widow plant, that I was told was a "duck foot". I'm wondering if its actually a polyploid, also.

When it sprouted (from seed) it had 2 cotyledons and 1 rigid leaf instead of two. It grew strangely for a couple of nodes, and then started growing 3 leaf sets, then 2, then 1, then 3...just super random. The leaves weren't really symmetrical (shape and placement) until it started alternating nodes. It also topped itself, just 1 time and it only gave me two tops. Then I topped it again a couple times... I had big plans for that plant, but being my first grow it went through problems with slow growth (And a horrible accident during transplant that cost half its root system when it was like 12 inches tall). It only has a few weeks of flower left, and has nice dense colas but it definitely didn't have a chance to grow as big as I would've liked it to.

Now I wish I would have taken clones from it, but I'm still on my first grow and haven't gotten them down yet. I'm still trying a few different methods with no luck. But I'm definitely interested to see how yours does, that's cool to know the clones can still top themselves. I have always heard that some plants are more susceptible to topping than others, and these def fall into that category.

 

[ButchyBoy]

MD914...

Yep.. always learning! I apologize as I did understand what you described but my brain is a bit slow so I might not be clear on what I say at times. My plant was the same I believe. It had 3 branches out of one node. I topped each branch which came out to have even branches off of that node. The second cut resulted with alternating nodes that have not changed yet. I will keep an eye on it...

Thor...

Both of my ploid's are clones from a Blue Magoo grown from seed. The Miniploid is the top of the main line plant. The mother plant is as normal as can be and is currently on day 34 of flower. I have 6 clones from the mother and only two had extra's.

Here is mama...

 

[ButchyBoy]

So I was out in the room taking care of my xj-13 who is not taking the transplant well and noticed my ak-48 has what I believe to be the ploid thing going on.

Here is a fuzzy pic (Sorry about the fuzz and the light)



Maybe it's something in the air

 

[MD914]

So I was out in the room taking care of my xj-13 who is not taking the transplant well and noticed my ak-48 has what I believe to be the ploid thing going on.

Here is a fuzzy pic (Sorry about the fuzz and the light)

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Maybe it's something in the air

What the hell kinda chemicals are you using?? Lol...JK...I'm not seeing what your talking about...perhaps you could get a better pic without the light on?

 

[ButchyBoy]

LOL... The first pic shows the top of the plant where it divided into two tops. I will pull it out of that room and get another picture that is clear. I use the Canna Terra line of nutes.

 

[ButchyBoy]

Now I wish I would have taken clones from it......

You still can. I just read a thread where someone cloned a flowering plant. The end result was an abundance of branches, super bushy. It just takes some time to re-veg..

 

[ButchyBoy]

Here is the tri-ploid as of today. I am going to leave her alone and see how the 12 tops do.



Here is the mini tri-ploid. It is 1 1/4 inch tall now and starting to increase in size quickly.



Here is the AK-48 that grew two branches from a single node at the top. She started flowering today.



Here is the Blue magoo that has two tops. She started flowering today.......



Other than those plants, I made a small cloner just to see how it works.



up potted 5 plants...



And stood in the doorway and stared at these.

 

[MD914]

HA!! I'm forever standing in the doorway staring at my plants!!

 

[ThorGanjason]

You still can. I just read a thread where someone cloned a flowering plant. The end result was an abundance of branches, super bushy. It just takes some time to re-veg..

Ya know, I actually read that not too long ago (taking clones in flower). I read that you have to cut all of the flowers off, but that it will revert to vegging. But my white widow is 7 weeks into flower, so I'm not how sure it would work out lol. Where it lost the roots it didn't get too big, but had crazy tight node spacing. The colas aren't huge but they are still nice and full, and if it wasn't my first grow and one of my favorite strains then I would probably try.

 

[ButchyBoy]

Hanging out in there with some music and a cup of coffee is my favorite morning ritual. Then it is off to the outside grow!

Thor, grab some clones after harvest!

 

[MD914]

Hanging out in there with some music and a cup of coffee is my favorite morning ritual. Then it is off to the outside grow!

Thor, grab some clones after harvest!

Blueberry coffee in the AM, a nice fruity Chardonnay in the evening...I love looking at my plants!! I'm feeling pretty fruity these days...HAhaha!!

Can an you really clone successfully AFTER flowering? Never would have thought of that...