Monsanto cannabis yes or no? The DNA Protection Act of 2013

Genetically Engineered Cannabis yes or no?


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DNAprotection

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Nah, DNA has chilled out on the Natural News and is discussing this without some pig references so I think that's what he meant by "up to date".
lol close enough bro (i sincerely hope you are ok with me calling you frank as it truly is and always has been meant as a term of endearment in that no matter how frank acted, down deep he just wanted to love and be loved just like everyone else and he is one of my all time favorite characters) anyway here's the deal (and then hopefully it can be laid to rest) if i was face to face with you i'm fairly sure i would not have said some of the things i've said to you here, it's just not who i am, and i can only hope that the same goes for you and so therefor i am continuing on as if we are face to face and damn the torpedoes'...i'm doing the best i can frank ;)
 

ChesusRice

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However, what many don't seem to realize is that the alternative health industry is also full of pseudoscience, liars, and hucksters who exploit consumer ignorance through misinformation. Before you think I'm accusing your chiropractor of scamming you, I do realize that there are many honest businesses and knowledgeable professionals in the industry that do offer valid health products, medical treatments, and information. However, there are still major players that don't. Out of all of them, there's one who stands out for providing misinformation, spreading and exploiting paranoia, and promoting or selling useless products, and that's Mike Adams and his NaturalNews business.
Adams, the self-styled "Health Ranger," is the key writer and owner of NaturalNews, a website that's known for posting health "advice" and conspiracy theories, much like the InfoWars of alternative health. Adams' qualifications in the field of medicine or nutritional health, if he has any, are completely unknown. He's an award winning alternative "health" author and journalist that while praised highly in the alternative media and its community, is seen as generally a quack and a shill by science bloggers, and is the type of person that repeats dangerous anti-vaccine stances and misleading anti-GMO arguments.
Adams' reports themselves are prime examples of how he exploits the ignorance of others. In one recent "report", Adams acts as if he has a scoop. To briefly summarize, Adams demonstrates how phosphoric acid affects teeth in an attempt to insert himself into the discussion on the health effects of soda, but Adams' work is really sensationalized "scientific" reporting. For those of you who haven't taken 11th-grade chemistry, there's a gaping hole in the report (aside from an important procedural error). Adams is using a solution of 85% phosphoric acid, and submerged a tooth in it for an entire day. Adams himself acknowledges the solution is much, much, much more acidic than anything found in soda, but still tries to imply that drinking soda and having concentrated phosphoric acid in your mouth for 24 hours is even remotely the same thing. Also, Adams tries to scare even more by comparing Coca Cola Classic's (the most acidic Coca-Cola product) pH of 2.525 to car battery acid, which has a pH of about .08. In reality, a car battery is about 50 times more acidic, and a lemon generally twice as acidic as Coke.
Just as questionable as Adams' articles are his business ethics. While NaturalNews claims to be nonprofit, that claim is very dubious. A few years ago, Adams made the decision to not only endorse the company "Moxxor, but to form a partnership between it and NaturalNews, and to be a top-level distributor. It's one of those schemes that will leave most people spending more and more money on Moxxor supplements, while getting little back in terms of monetary or health benefits.
Adams and his NaturalNews team is only one of the many organizations that are interested in exploiting consumer ignorance, using misleading business practices, and encouraging (unwittingly, I assume) sometimes dangerous products that may end up hurting consumers. It goes without saying that we should treat health sites and such with a healthy amount of skepticism, and always do research into health matters. That makes it all the more difficult for people like Adams to take advantage of us.
 

DNAprotection

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(in response to CR)
in all fairness bro (and this is not meant in any way to promote or demote the guy or his virtual rag) the thing has been censured from being posted here as far as i know and so it seems a little out of tilt to ne posting against it at this point...just my opinion...
 

DNAprotection

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Irrelevant
OP will just dismiss it as a conspiracy by the AMA to discredit alternative cures
Im going thru this on my facebook page with a HS freind who is hooked into Dr. Nicholas Gonzalez
but the OP didn't bro so how about we try and get past it and move to trying to discuss the real issues? not being sarcastic CR, just being real...
 

DNAprotection

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Unattributed c&ps are never irrelevant.
i would argue that copy/paste text which is unattributed is ALWAYS IRRELEVANT.
what is relevant (imo as the OP) is CR's ideas for how cannabis should be 'legal' which is ironically not what you're posting about and its probably where you (CR) and i see very close to eye to eye...can you post your ideas again here for a refresher so i can be sure that my assessment is accurate?...
 

Dr Kynes

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what is relevant (imo as the OP) is CR's ideas for how cannabis should be 'legal' which is ironically not what you're posting about and its probably where you (CR) and i see very close to eye to eye...can you post your ideas again here for a refresher so i can be sure that my assessment is accurate?...
weed should be 100% legal, just as papaver somniferum is legal, just as tobacco is legal, just as grapes and barley are legal.

the government should not have the power to register, license, regulate or otherwise control the contents of my garden, the contents of my liver, or the contents of my gun cabinet, my holster, my gun rack, or my medicine cabinet.
 

DNAprotection

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weed should be 100% legal, just as papaver somniferum is legal, just as tobacco is legal, just as grapes and barley are legal.

the government should not have the power to register, license, regulate or otherwise control the contents of my garden, the contents of my liver, or the contents of my gun cabinet, my holster, my gun rack, or my medicine cabinet.

  • You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Dr Kynes again.








"just as tobacco is legal"

is tobacco 100% legal doc? i thought it was regulated even technically in our own gardens?
further though i did a fed case once where at the end of the day one of the judges messages was that we don't even have the 'constitutional rights' to grow a carrot if gov says we dont...of course i disagreed as far as i could (through the 9th circuit crt of appeals) but stopped short of appealing to the supreme crt...
 

Harrekin

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  • You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Dr Kynes again.








"just as tobacco is legal"

is tobacco 100% legal doc? i thought it was regulated even technically in our own gardens?
further though i did a fed case once where at the end of the day one of the judges messages was that we don't even have the 'constitutional rights' to grow a carrot if gov says we dont...of course i disagreed as far as i could (through the 9th circuit crt of appeals) but stopped short of appealing to the supreme crt...
Yes, it is.

Legal to grow, regulated to sell.
 

Dr Kynes

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"just as tobacco is legal"

is tobacco 100% legal doc? i thought it was regulated even technically in our own gardens?
further though i did a fed case once where at the end of the day one of the judges messages was that we don't even have the 'constitutional rights' to grow a carrot if gov says we dont...of course i disagreed as far as i could (through the 9th circuit crt of appeals) but stopped short of appealing to the supreme crt...
NOPE.

you can grow as much tobacco as you please, the only restriction is the sale of it.

federal regulations (not laws) prohibits the sale of tobacco without license, just as you may distil as much hooch as you like, you just cannot sell it.

tobacco is legal to own, legal to use, and legal to grow, just "illegal" to sell because they want their fat Sin Taxes.

you can buy tobacco seeds from a variety of online seed banks, grow your own, dry it, cure it and smoke it. you just cannot turn it into a cottage industry, which is what the feds fear most.
if we were not reliant on interstate and international commerce we would not be reliant on the feds who regulate that commerce.

it is a snake eating it's own tail.
 

DNAprotection

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Yes, it is.

Legal to grow, regulated to sell.
NOPE.

you can grow as much tobacco as you please, the only restriction is the sale of it.

federal regulations (not laws) prohibits the sale of tobacco without license, just as you may distil as much hooch as you like, you just cannot sell it.

tobacco is legal to own, legal to use, and legal to grow, just "illegal" to sell because they want their fat Sin Taxes.

you can buy tobacco seeds from a variety of online seed banks, grow your own, dry it, cure it and smoke it. you just cannot turn it into a cottage industry, which is what the feds fear most.
if we were not reliant on interstate and international commerce we would not be reliant on the feds who regulate that commerce.

it is a snake eating it's own tail.
thanks i wasn't at all sure...

this was exactly what one of my constitutional arguments (9th amen in fed civil case) about cannabis was, only my argument went further then Raich imo...
 

DNAprotection

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imo we must settle the cannabis question by way of the constitution and in court as plaintiffs, otherwise we leave the door wide open to gmo cannabis being the only legal cannabis in the coming times of the laws changing, and if we leave it up to congress etc i feel this will be the outcome...
its a plant, it comes from where we all come from and goes to where we all go, its your relative, will the real cannabis lovers please stand up' for the plants natural right to exist...stand up for your natural right to partner with the plant for your food, meds, cloths and shelter etc...stand up for truth, not lies built from compromise...
theres only one place other than a battle field where this can be resolved by the facts and that is the court room...
but pro cannabis folks almost always only go to court as the defendant...loosing battle, wrong field...
folks who love cannabis must walk into court as plaintiffs seeking to affirm the rights we were all born with...
 

DNAprotection

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I've been doing that for nearly 30 years, including in this thread, countering you.
honestly bro you haven't been able to produce one thing to back that up because it doesn't exist because i haven't lied, and every time you post such a statement (to many times to count and always with nothing to back it up) it only shows that you are being what you accuse others of...:peace:
 

Trousers

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honestly bro
Stop it.



you haven't been able to produce one thing to back that up because it doesn't exist
I have posted numerous facts that are verifiable.
Stop lying.

because i haven't lied,
You just lied again. You are a 50 year old liar.

For the 15th time:

When you post an article, it is assumed that you have read the article.
It is also assumed that you agree with what the article says.

If you just post an article with out reading it, you are just a dumb asshole spammer.
So you are either a liar, or a dumb asshole spammer. It is pretty cut and dried.


and every time you post such a statement (to many times to count and always with nothing to back it up) it only shows that you are being what you accuse others of...:peace:
The old "I'm rubber and you are glue" defense.
I'm sure that worked well for you on the playground about 40 years ago, but that shit does not have any traction here.

How many articles did you post that you do not agree with?
 
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