Canna Sylvan
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1984 was a century too early for you guys.
So what happens with Obamacare
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BigEasy1
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I was notified last week that my contribution to my employer healthcare plan was increasing. Who is the Affordable Healthcare Act really for? The deadbeats that vote for a living versus work for a living? I say we get back to basics and do things the old fashioned way! Get a damn job if you need healthcare insurance.
Ringsixty
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Dumbcunts will never admit when they are wrong either...if they did they would have time for nothing else.
Dr Kynes
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i suppose Skeptical Economics has a shitload of ready-made copy/paste madlibs to explain why the british national healthcare system is NOT going broke despite numerous reports that is IS, and numerous new taxes levied to support it...
UncleBuck
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that probably never happened before the PPACA.
in fact, i am confident that premiums didn't triple in the 20 years before the PPACA was passed into law.
yep, you can blame everything on the PPACA, including stubbed toes and trees that don't shed leaves until after you're done raking the lawn.
UncleBuck
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they are such shitty programs that people left, right, and center yell and scream and cry if a politician proposes to get rid of them.
ginjawarrior
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Numerous new taxes levied to support the nhs?
I don't have to show anything first you need to show your not talking out your arse
ChesusRice
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Bob Dole the Democrat?
Rob Roy
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Despite your sarcasm, they are shitty programs. Can you say, "Soviet Union" ?
nitro harley
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My wife is on medicare and it has worked well for us...We had a 20k dollar hospital bill and only paid a few hundred dollars of it a cupple of years ago...My wife could draw her SS right now but is waiting for it to go up a bit more and I am not quite old enough...when I turn 62 I will sign up for SS on day one, and I am getting close....
My wife and I have paid into both programs for a very long time, so I hope we can at least get back what we paid in before it's over...
Dr Kynes
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"The biggest problem with healthcare in the UK and the problem that governments on both sides dont want to talk about is that it is underfunded. The UK spends just under 10% of its GDP on healthcare, compared to between 11% and 17% for France and the USA[1]; before Labours reforms in the early 2000s, it spent closer to 8.5% on healthcare. You cant expect modern health outcomes with this level of funding, though the NHS has shown that you can still do pretty well. The reason that this funding is so low is that the UK system is a centrally managed, entirely publicly-funded service, from which private providers have been excluded since its inception. With no ability to participate in the NHS, tax rates high, and the NHS goal to provide all services free at the point of care, private providers cannot make money and are left providing boutique services to the very rich. Hence, private investment in health is low. But its extremely difficult for the government to make up this shortfall its likely doing so would require the government to increase spending on the NHS by potentially as much as 20% (to take it from the 9.5% of GDP it is now to the 11 or 12% other countries enjoy). Obviously such a funding boost is politically impossible, and so the NHS has languished."
~http://faustusnotes.wordpress.com/2012/03/23/watching-the-privatization-of-britains-national-health-service/
"Most of the NHSs dreary featuresthe rundown hospitals, the chronic shortages of specialists in every field, the long waiting listsstem from chronic underfunding and undersupply of personnel and equipment. Many universal health care systems avoid these problems. How well a system is designed must always be distinguished from how well it is funded; the NHS is quite well designed but underprovisioned."
~http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1447686/
"Last November, the NHSs Hinchingbrooke Hospital in Cambridgeshire, running at a loss of $8 million a year on revenues of $143 million, was given over to Circle, a private health care company. Circle was brought in to cut bureaucracy and improve efficiency, and it is the first private company to take over an entire British hospital. Earlier this month, an NHS watchdog at the National Institute for Health and Clinical Excellence (NICE) ruled that a breakthrough drug used to extend the lives of men with late-stage prostate cancer was too expensive to be included in the system. NICE makes calculations based on the cost of the drug to the NHS according to the number of men likely to be treated. NICE will pay for some end-of-life drugs for rare diseases. But the current, though unofficial, threshold for QALY (quality-adjusted life year) drugs has been $80,000 for renal cell carcinoma. Therefore the £63,200 ($101,000) cost per QALY for abiraterone would still not be deemed a cost effective use of NHS resources, said a NICE statement."
~http://frontpagemag.com/2012/arnold-ahlert/why-the-uk-is-ditching-socialized-medicine/
whoops...
looks like even the NIH says the NHS is underfunded by BILLIONS , and is even PRIVATIZING HOSPITALS...
desert dude
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I will say one good thing about PPACA. It makes me pine for a single payer system. If we are gonna bankrupt the country, at least do it in a simple manner.
ChesusRice
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Doesnt it even make you wonder why the people pushing the theory that medicare is going under also want to convince you that you would be better off with the goverment giving you a voucher to pay for private insurance that they want no consumer protections on?
See Ryan plan
Rob Roy
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How would you address a "runaway" government policy that says people "must" buy something they don't want or they will be punished?
That kind of edict seems to be something that a person with a prohibitionists mindset would support, ie, one group of people telling others that they don't own themselves and must behave in a certain way.
canndo
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Here's news! lots of people with jobs, are with employers who don't offer health care insurance. I grow weary of those who believe that if someone can't afford everything that another person can, why... they must not have a job. My wife makes a good income but her employer doesn't believe in paying for health insurance, what would you suggest? - oh, and yes, we do pay for individual plans, and combined they cost almost $900 a month.
nitro harley
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I have at times 5 employees and I could not afford to buy there health care..I have to buy personal injury insurance for every employee and that is over 700 usd per month per person..That would be up to over 3500 per month for 5 people for one month.......That comes to 42,000.00 dollars for the year....If I had to pay for health care on top of that for my workers I would have to can everybody and start over.....Most of the people that I know that have health care are City County and State workers, they would think that everybody that has a job has health care....imo
send back your check(s) if you don't like it
The theory that it's going under? Medicare made $536 billion in payments in 2012. Only 38% of that money came from payroll taxes (aka "The money I paid in all my life"). 40% came from general revenue.
Here's a very simple fact for you: two people earning approximately $45,000 a year (average salary) who pay into Medicare their entire lives will pay only ~$120,000. They'll take out ~$350,000. You see the problem, don't you? The number of people on Medicare is going to increase from about 50 million today to closer to 75 million people in 2025. The system is an unsustainable disaster.
they need to increase the wage base limit