So what happens with Obamacare

Dr Kynes

Dr Kynes

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ChesusRice said:
Guess you never heard of Social Security or Medicare then
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read his words, and stop listening to the voices in your head.

Sosh Security:
Passed
372 yeas, 33 nays, 2 present, and 25 not voting. result: Overwhelming majority of BOTH major political parties.

Medicare:
Passed
313 yeas 115 nays and 5 not voting. Result: Slim Majority of republicans voted for it in the house, slim minority of republicans voting for it in the senate, most all democrats voting for it.

obamacare passed by the skin of it's teeth with MOST republicans rejecting it. only the Dem majority forced it through (apparently without even reading it)

obamacare is doomed when the republicans regain the house and senate which is looking more and more likely.

Edit: Howard Dean (YEAAAAAARRRGH!) told the same LIE you just told, and politifact tore it apart thusly:

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2009/aug/28/howard-dean/dean-claims-social-security-and-medicare-were-pass/
 
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tokeprep

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schuylaar said:
wrong again, noob..cheesus?:wall:
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I love when people expose that they have absolutely no idea what they're talking about. The federal government is funding 100% of the Medicaid expansion for a limited time--three years. After that time, the federal government is dropping its share to 90% by 2020, and then it is guaranteeing nothing.

And that initial guarantee doesn't amount to much, since it can be changed with a couple votes and the stroke of a pen. Indeed, in budget talks last year Obama already proposed reducing the Medicaid expansion funding by blending the existing federal funding rate with the Obamacare rate in a way that would reduce federal spending by $100 billion. Translation: Obama already tried to stick the states with $100 billion the federal government previously promised it would spend for them.

Accordingly, the state governors are wise not to trust the federal government, which has already threatened to leave them with huge bills they have no capacity to handle. The promise of 90-100% expansion funding until 2020 was a carrot intended to bait states into going along with the expansion.
 
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ChesusRice

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tokeprep said:
I love when people expose that they have absolutely no idea what they're talking about. The federal government is funding 100% of the Medicaid expansion for a limited time--three years. After that time, the federal government is dropping its share to 90% by 2020, and then it is guaranteeing nothing.

And that initial guarantee doesn't amount to much, since it can be changed with a couple votes and the stroke of a pen. Indeed, in budget talks last year Obama already proposed reducing the Medicaid expansion funding by blending the existing federal funding rate with the Obamacare rate in a way that would reduce federal spending by $100 billion. Translation: Obama already tried to stick the states with $100 billion the federal government previously promised it would spend for them.

Accordingly, the state governors are wise not to trust the federal government, which has already threatened to leave them with huge bills they have no capacity to handle. The promise of 90-100% expansion funding until 2020 was a carrot intended to bait states into going along with the expansion.
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Or conversly
The Republicans could be trying everything they can to impede the implementation of the PPACA

Well at least that is what a few Republican Govenors have stated as a reason for not taking the money
 
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tokeprep

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ChesusRice said:
Or conversly
The Republicans could be trying everything they can to impede the implementation of the PPACA

Well at least that is what a few Republican Govenors have stated as a reason for not taking the money
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Who? You're not going to identify or quote them?
 
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ChesusRice

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tokeprep said:
Who? You're not going to identify or quote them?
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Maine*: Gov. Paul LePage (R) on Nov. 16 said that Maine will not participate in the Medicaid expansion. He called the expansion and the state-based insurance exchanges a "degradation of our nation’s premier health care system" (Mistler, Kennebec Journal, 11/16/12).

Mississippi*:Gov. Phil Bryant (R) on Nov. 7 said Mississippi will not participate in the Medicaid expansion, reiterating previous statements that he had made about the ACA provision (Pender/Hall, Jackson Clarion-Ledger, 11/7/12).

Texas*: Gov. Rick Perry (R) in a statement on July 9 said, "If anyone was in doubt, we in Texas have no intention to implement so-called state exchanges or to expand Medicaid under ObamaCare." Perry also sent a letter to HHS Secretary Kathleen Sebelius on July 9 asserting this position. The Dallas Morning News reported that on Nov. 8, Perry reiterated his opposition to the expansion, saying, "Nothing changes from our perspective" (Office of Gov. Perry release, 7/9/12; Gov. Perry letter, 7/9/12; Garrett, Dallas Morning News, 11/11/12).

Virginia*: Although Gov. Bob McDonnell (R) has not made an official announced on the Medicaid expansion, he has expressed opposition to the ACA provision, according to the Virginian-Pilot. However, the Pilot notes, the future of the state's Medicaid expansion will likely depend on the outcome of the November gubernatorial election: Democrat Terry McAuliffe support expansion, but Republican Ken Cuccinelli opposes it (Walker, Virginian-Pilot, 4/11/13).
 
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tokeprep

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ChesusRice said:
Maine*: Gov. Paul LePage (R) on Nov. 16 said that Maine will not participate in the Medicaid expansion. He called the expansion and the state-based insurance exchanges a "degradation of our nation’s premier health care system" (Mistler, Kennebec Journal, 11/16/12).

Mississippi*:Gov. Phil Bryant (R) on Nov. 7 said Mississippi will not participate in the Medicaid expansion, reiterating previous statements that he had made about the ACA provision (Pender/Hall, Jackson Clarion-Ledger, 11/7/12).

Texas*: Gov. Rick Perry (R) in a statement on July 9 said, "If anyone was in doubt, we in Texas have no intention to implement so-called state exchanges or to expand Medicaid under ObamaCare." Perry also sent a letter to HHS Secretary Kathleen Sebelius on July 9 asserting this position. The Dallas Morning News reported that on Nov. 8, Perry reiterated his opposition to the expansion, saying, "Nothing changes from our perspective" (Office of Gov. Perry release, 7/9/12; Gov. Perry letter, 7/9/12; Garrett, Dallas Morning News, 11/11/12).

Virginia*: Although Gov. Bob McDonnell (R) has not made an official announced on the Medicaid expansion, he has expressed opposition to the ACA provision, according to the Virginian-Pilot. However, the Pilot notes, the future of the state's Medicaid expansion will likely depend on the outcome of the November gubernatorial election: Democrat Terry McAuliffe support expansion, but Republican Ken Cuccinelli opposes it (Walker, Virginian-Pilot, 4/11/13).
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None of these statements say what you just said they said. With the exception of Maine, none of the statements even give a reason at all. Let me help you out:

"Maine: On June 17, 2013, Gov. Paul LePage (R) vetoed a bill (LD 1066) that would have expanded the state's Medicaid program. LePage objected to the cost of expansion and also noted that previous hikes to Medicaid eligibility—which he termed "a massive increase in welfare expansion"—have not worked to reduce the number of uninsured in the state."

Mississippi: "Republican Gov. Phil Bryant and leaders of the Republican-majority House and Senate said Mississippi can’t afford expansion"

Texas: "“I stand proudly with the growing chorus of governors who reject the Obamacare power grab. ...Neither a ‘state’ exchange nor the expansion of Medicaid under the Orwellian-named PPACA would result in better ‘patient protection’ or in more ‘affordable care,” Perry said."

Virginia: "Please understand that I cannot and will not support consideration of an expansion of Medicaid in Virginia until major reforms are authorized and completed, and until we receive guarantees that the federal government's promises to the states can be kept without increasing the immoral national debt. To do so would be irresponsible and place crushing financial burdens on future governors and legislatures."
 
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tokeprep

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ChesusRice said:
“President Obama can’t wait to get Americans addicted to the crack cocaine of dependency on more government health care,” she said in an interview with the far-right WorldNetDaily site where she regularly gives explosive interviews.
Once they enroll millions of more individual Americans, it will be virtually impossible for us to pull these benefits back from people,”
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She's not a state governor, just an idiot. Irrelevant.
 
thecoolman

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What is disturbing is our corrupt congress making close to 200k is giving themselves subsidies for
Obama care.... basically a exemption.
 
NLXSK1

NLXSK1

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UncleBuck said:
dumb people say dumb things, and you are the proof of it.
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Everything he said was correct and you call him dumb?

Congressmen make 174K per year. They have given themselves and all of their staff a 75% subsidy to pay for Obamacare. That is money coming from the taxpayers and makes them essentially exempt from the very laws they write for all of us to follow (well, us little people anyway....)

And you call him dumb?

I know you are not a taxpayer so I can understand why you dont give a shit...
 
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tokeprep

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ChesusRice said:
She's just free styling on the talking points already agreed to by the Republican party and echoed many times here
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Those aren't Republican party talking points, just the aimless ramblings of someone the vast majority of Republicans believe is a moron. Yet you're consistently trotting her around as if she speaks for all of them.

You've evaded the point about Medicare expansion costs with your silly, inane narrative that "Republicans are just hellbent on impeding Obamacare." The fact that you disagree with those Republican governors does not mean that they don't have very real concerns about future costs. Instead of handing out free money--future consequences be damned--they're actually thinking of the best interests of the people who elected them, the taxpayers, who will eventually be handed the massive financial burdens of the state Medicaid expansion.
 
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ChesusRice

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tokeprep said:
Those aren't Republican party talking points, just the aimless ramblings of someone the vast majority of Republicans believe is a moron. Yet you're consistently trotting her around as if she speaks for all of them.

You've evaded the point about Medicare expansion costs with your silly, inane narrative that "Republicans are just hellbent on impeding Obamacare." The fact that you disagree with those Republican governors does not mean that they don't have very real concerns about future costs. Instead of handing out free money--future consequences be damned--they're actually thinking of the best interests of the people who elected them, the taxpayers, who will eventually be handed the massive financial burdens of the state Medicaid expansion.
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They are thinking if Obamacare is a success they will look like the greedy assholes that they are
 
Dr Kynes

Dr Kynes

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ChesusRice said:
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They are thinking if Obamacare is a success they will look like the greedy assholes that they are
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thats a mighty fine catch 22 you have created.

if obamacare fails, it's the republican's fault, if, against all odds and all reason, it actually works, that's just more proof of republican evil.

thanks for displaying leftist hypocrisy.

it's not about solving problems, it's about who you can blame for your problems.
 
Rob Roy

Rob Roy

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ChesusRice said:
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They are thinking if Obamacare is a success they will look like the greedy assholes that they are
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It's not greedy to want to control your OWN life, resources and choices of whether or not to participate in something.

It IS greedy and dictatorial to MAKE people pay for something they do not want. Greedy assholes seek control over others, even when the others simply want to be left alone.

Rape much?
 
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