Will America Default?

[tokeprep]

I do understand, but I also understand strategic decision making.
The theory is not implausible as we know those who are puppeteers don't care about you or I. Power and control
is the end game.

So, in the event one party or the other is willing to allow a disaster to happen, they could come out being the savior to the
people and demonize the other side to gain and retain additional power.

Politics is rarely a shortsighted scenario, the happenings of today are based on deals long past.

You see, you and Doer have different outlooks on the Pubs image. So if there is a base to be further depleted would one
side or the other not take advantage of it to further their agenda?

That's where you jumped off. Neither party is willing to let a disaster happen: ultimately the congress will approve an increase in the debt ceiling, and that part is inevitable. At that point, Obama would have to refuse to sign it. He won't. This is all political posturing.

 

[Doer]

I do understand, but I also understand strategic decision making.
The theory is not implausible as we know those who are puppeteers don't care about you or I. Power and control
is the end game.

So, in the event one party or the other is willing to allow a disaster to happen, they could come out being the savior to the people and demonize the other side to gain and retain additional power.

Politics is rarely a shortsighted scenario, the happenings of today are based on deals long past.


You see, you and Doer have different outlooks on the Pubs image. So if there is a base to be further depleted would one side or the other not take advantage of it to further their agenda?

We will see....I don't think we disagreed. I think we both see a Party on the ropes. But, what else is new?

The system has many, many checks and balances. Only one of them is the lying Press. Consumer spend habits and fickle panic works both ways.

I have opined we are on at least 10 rails of C & B, but the Press only will focus on the Exec so they can take sides. That itself serves both "sides" to hide the fact there really are 10 rails, at least to balance the load. And they all lead back to the Will of WE. WE get stampeded back and forth and the govt grinds on.

And we have seem very large changes in my lifetime. No Draft. Compassion and MMJ in a growing number of States. Hell, I have seen the Information Age from scratch, as we scratched it out.

Being hopeful, I hope the WILD access to Information makes a difference before they learn how to control it. This information access is another two edged sword. We can be lied to and certainly are. Tight race as usual. For all time....information is power.

 

[cerberus5]

The United States will not default on there debts, they will just inflate them away as they have been doing for the past five years with "quantitative easing".

 

[ricky1lung]

That's where you jumped off. Neither party is willing to let a disaster happen: ultimately the congress will approve an increase in the debt ceiling, and that part is inevitable. At that point, Obama would have to refuse to sign it. He won't. This is all political posturing.

Im not sure how I jumped off.
Either party is willing to allow public opinion and voters to destroy the other side.

The "disaster" will be short lived in the grand scheme, because one side will be able to ride in on a white
horse and save the day.

It is all about power and who can best gain and attain. Im willing to bet the dems would love to control all arms
of the gov just the same as the pubs would. It is a matter of how much damage one party can do to the other to
get that power.

Really, if the US gov defaults it wont do much. It will only do as much to the economy as the politicians are willing to allow.

 

[kelly4]

Back to worshiping your white jesus gringo.Your insults mean nothing to me. You speak with the tongue of an uneducated person. I enjoy making the gringos so angry and it is so easy. You think you are superior to all people and yet your own white race is slowly being bred off this planet. Soon you will be like neanderthal man and people will study why you became extinct. Go worship your police and embrace them when they kick in your doors and take you away. You are not the type to fight back against them and will go quietly into the night. The world watches and waits for your destruction.

Are you calling the brown man stupid? If we were bred off of the planet...why would the brown man have to study why we became extinct?

 

[kelly4]

You base your opinion on 2 minutes of google? Incredible. Another example of the failed educational system of the US at work.

Yet, you said you went to school here, and that you are going to send your daughter here.


#3 with no sour cream, please.

 

[FreedomWorks]

America won't default until Oct. 17th. That gives us 9 days to convince Democrats to fund our government. If not America will no longer be able to pay its bills due to Obama, Harry Reid, and the Senate.

 

[heckler73]

Is this the sequence of payments at issue?

 

[tokeprep]

Im not sure how I jumped off.
Either party is willing to allow public opinion and voters to destroy the other side.

The "disaster" will be short lived in the grand scheme, because one side will be able to ride in on a white
horse and save the day.

It is all about power and who can best gain and attain. Im willing to bet the dems would love to control all arms
of the gov just the same as the pubs would. It is a matter of how much damage one party can do to the other to
get that power.

Really, if the US gov defaults it wont do much. It will only do as much to the economy as the politicians are willing to allow.

Ok. For a default to happen, someone would have to let it happen. No one will. There's nothing to be gained by allowing a default. If congress raises the debt ceiling and Obama refuses to sign the bill, a default is his fault and he loses; if congress refuses to raise the debt ceiling, they cause a default and they lose.

Neither is willing to lose. That's why there won't be a default.

 

[FreedomWorks]

Ok. For a default to happen, someone would have to let it happen. No one will. There's nothing to be gained by allowing a default. If congress raises the debt ceiling and Obama refuses to sign the bill, a default is his fault and he loses; if congress refuses to raise the debt ceiling, they cause a default and they lose.

Neither is willing to lose. That's why there won't be a default.

Neither is willing to lose? So who is willing to budge? I think we already know a compromise won't happen. There is too much at stake for both parties

 

[tokeprep]

Neither is willing to lose? So who is willing to budge? I think we already know a compromise won't happen. There is too much at stake for both parties

Neither party is going to allow a default whether there's a compromise or not. Period. Why does no one understand that this is just political theater? We've already seen this game played out several times.

 

[ricky1lung]

Neither party is going to allow a default whether there's a compromise or not. Period. Why does no one understand that this is just political theater? We've already seen this game played out several times.

There will be a clear winner no matter what the cost.

 

[FreedomWorks]

Neither party is going to allow a default whether there's a compromise or not. Period. Why does no one understand that this is just political theater? We've already seen this game played out several times.

I disagree. This time it's different. You may be right, but I hope not. We will just have to wait and see. America needs a clear direction moving forward. Back room deals will only perplex the problem.

 

[tokeprep]

There will be a clear winner no matter what the cost.

If you want to say that, the Republicans will probably be the winners. This is midterm gold for them.

 

[tokeprep]

I disagree. This time it's different. You may be right, but I hope not. We will just have to wait and see. America needs a clear direction moving forward. Back room deals will only perplex the problem.

It's not different.

A clear direction? Obama out of office and out of power. That's it. Instead of working with the Republicans to accomplish anything, Obama has squandered all of his power and poisoned the well.

 

[Doer]

Neither is willing to lose? So who is willing to budge? I think we already know a compromise won't happen. There is too much at stake for both parties

This is so true. The polarization and grid lock is of another kind, these days. But, that is still the system at work.

 

[FreedomWorks]

So you all think Obama the shake down artist will be able to coerce enough house republicans into caving? You do know the only way a deal will happen is if he gets what he wants. Which is the ability to re write the non-affordable health care act at anytime, and at his own discretion.

 

[beenthere]

I have traveled extensively throughout the US. Most of you live like pigs. You are dirty and don't bathe properly it at all. There is a stench about you and your country that hangs in the nose long after you leave. Your women are fat and look like overstuffed sacks of potatoes. You dress like paupers. You stuff your elderly into homes because you don't want the bother of providing for the very people who gave you life. You allow your police to run rampant in the streets with no regard for human life. Your children are some of the most uneducated on the planet and yet your educational system costs much more than most of the world. You spend your days and nights watching televisions about pars hilton and kim kardashian. Yes, I am the idiot. Dumb cunt.

I've got to agree with Tiberon here, indeed the left is ruining this country!

 

[ricky1lung]

I saw CNN's anchors talking about the debt ceiling today.
In true CNN form they bring up that some in the gov don't think a default will be that bad.

Are they seeding the thought as they so often do to ease the blow?

 

[Rob Roy]

Some people might say that a government that creates debt and kicks the can down the road is already in default.