Have you pollinated both ways and grown out the seed to verify this claim?
Feminized seeds & hermies. Do you want to know the truth?
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loquacious
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I have ran dozens of strains, hundreds of plants and never had one hermie! You are clueless and need to do some research.
More anecdotal evidence, you have no data, no documentation, and no ability to prove anything you're saying. I on the other hand have scientific journals with documented studies. Yeah, I know, reading is tough.
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Jessica679
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- nice thread ya got here! i love watching the outdoor gardens develop
Trousers
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There was no reason for you to bring it up, except to be an asshole.
I would have put up some of my auto SLH against anything you have grown. If you smoked it, you would have had no idea that you were smoking an auto.
No reason to be rude. Autos are great for some people.
Trousers
Well-Known Member
No it does not.
Did you read the thread?
Every female cannabis plant has the ability to produce male flowers. It is a normal and natural survival mechanism.
You obviously do not understand the difference between a monoecious and dioecious hermaphrodite.
You should do some research.
The same could be asked of you.
I have produced thousands of feminized seeds.
Not one of the resulting plants produced male flowers.
What is your point? That we should just believe rumors because we can not scientifically disprove the rumors?
Feminized seeds do not have a Y chromosome so they can not produce male plants or dioecious hermaphrodites.
Do you disagree? A botanist would not disagree.
Using colloidal silver does not stress a plant, it tricks it into releasing hormones. Releasing those hormones does not change the DNA. A botanist would agree with me.
What is your actual problem with feminized seeds?
Because you say so?
Where is this lazy breeding going on?
What do you mean by 'lazy breeding'?
Do you think you could explain your problem with feminized seeds?
How many feminized seeds have you created and grown?
pSi007
Active Member
He is correct.. Man with Plan, is pretty much dead-on accurate with most of the stuff i`ve read. I have lived in California all of my life. I have been a Cal-MMJ patient for 15 years. I have been collecting strains from all over the world for the last 15 years and growing them legally. I have popped 1000s of seeds from 100s of strains/hybrids. A genetic hermi is prone to hermi, reg OR fem. Fem x Fem is real and I have MANY years of work with this. Anyone who has done what we do will know that FEM pollen will cross pollinate.
I have a FEM x FEM of Mendo Purps and Deep Chunk. holy fack.. I`m back-crossing the clone now, it was the best out of 20 seeds, ALL FEMALE, NO HERMI. I had Mendo Purps, Deep Chunk, Sensi Seeds NL5/Haze, GrandDaddy Purple, Rez DSD, and DHN White Widow in a grow room I hit with Silver ThioSulfate. Maybe I should not speak for the CS method but I use my own mix of Silver Nitrate and Sodium ThioSulfate.
The Deep Chunk is as potent as ever and turns purple like Mendo Purps, more over, it is MUCH sweeter than Deep Chunk - it tastes/smells like berries! Pure winner..
The White Widow tastes like grapes and turns purple from the Mendo Purps
The NL/Haze got some pollen from the Deep Chunk, HOLY CHUNK!
The Grand Daddy Purple is a hell of a lot sweeter and purplyier, Thanks Mendo Purps!
The Mendo Purps took after her "daddies??" and thanks to the NL5/haze, the bitch is still wanting another month to bloom outdoor in cali, WTF! tall bitch too..
half of the Mendo Purps look the way they should, sweet, purple, grape candy-like.
half of the WW look the way they should. The others are a mix of Double Sour Diesel and Mendo Purple hybrids
Half of the Deep Chunk look like NL/Haze hybrids
Half of the NL5/haze look like DSD hybrids.. haha... crazy.. Pollen was EVERYWHERE!
The Mendo Purple and Double Sour Diesel were sitting in front of the fan.
When I reviewed the pictures, it seemed most plants took about half of their genetics from the plants sitting next to them. The crazy thing is that I am getting some of the most amazing herb from these wild hybrids and I am running clones now to stabilize them with the back-crossing method.
ALL FROM FEMALES:
I have a WW x Deep Chunk hybrid that tastes and smells like Pineapple, pure and simple, 20%+ THC
I have a Deep Chunk x Mendo Purps hybrid that tastes and smells like berries, 23%+ THC
I have a Double Sour Diesel x NL5/haze which is godlike and smells like cherries, pink hairs, 22%+ THC
I have a (NL5/haze x Double Sour Diesel) x Tutty Fruity which I am calling pSiGodHaze#7. 24%+THC
I attained Bay Area and Sacramento clones of: The Black Dragon, Cherry Pie, Ken's GDP, LSD, Agent Orange, DJ BlueBerry, UK Cheese, OG Kush, GSC, ect and other shit I`m running is, sorry to say, not as good as the shit I found from popping 100s of seeds.
Like I said, defensive. There was good reason to bring it up as plenty of pretty flowers are otherwise garbage. You didn't mention the quality, presumably because there was none.
loquacious
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Like I've said before "Obvious troll is obvious, troll"!
Of course you would, because you're confused about the quality of your plants. This isn't about the end product, it is about the lack of control you have over your plants and the inability to produce viable seed. Trust me, if you think this is rude, you're a very sensitive person. Autos are great for people who have been sold on marketing, nothing else.
Yes it does, and yes I read the thread.
That is what I just said, was repeating me your big idea for winning this argument? Now you're throwing out "monoecious" and "dioecious" to what, impress me? Lol, trust me, you don't know shit about plant biology.
Considering I am disproving what has been said, this is a laughable statement.
Evidence? Where is your evidence you ran thousands of feminized seeds eh? Who said anything about "male" plants, you're working very hard to seem informed.
So I ask how many ways the plants were stresed, and your reply is..."using colloidal silver does not stress a plant". You are not a botanist, you are trying really hard, to look really dumb.
All these references to the expertise of botanists but you ask a question like this? Pfff!
I am sorry if you don't understand why it is lazy breeding, but if you think producing feminized seeds is difficult and comparable to a breeder working with regular seed, you're a moron. I obviously haven't ran thousands of feminized seeds, that should be evident. I think it is cute though you would like to defend your inferior plants.
A bunch of anecdotal rambling that means absolutely nothing. Dear God...He is correct.. Man with Plan, is pretty much dead-on accurate with most of the stuff i`ve read. I have lived in California all of my life. I have been a Cal-MMJ patient for 15 years. I have been collecting strains from all over the world for the last 15 years and growing them legally. I have popped 1000s of seeds from 100s of strains/hybrids. A genetic hermi is prone to hermi, reg OR fem. Fem x Fem is real and I have MANY years of work with this. Anyone who has done what we do will know that FEM pollen will cross pollinate.
I have a FEM x FEM of Mendo Purps and Deep Chunk. holy fack.. I`m back-crossing the clone now, it was the best out of 20 seeds, ALL FEMALE, NO HERMI. I had Mendo Purps, Deep Chunk, Sensi Seeds NL5/Haze, GrandDaddy Purple, Rez DSD, and DHN White Widow in a grow room I hit with Silver ThioSulfate. Maybe I should not speak for the CS method but I use my own mix of Silver Nitrate and Sodium ThioSulfate.
The Deep Chunk is as potent as ever and turns purple like Mendo Purps, more over, it is MUCH sweeter than Deep Chunk - it tastes/smells like berries! Pure winner..
The White Widow tastes like grapes and turns purple from the Mendo Purps
The NL/Haze got some pollen from the Deep Chunk, HOLY CHUNK!
The Grand Daddy Purple is a hell of a lot sweeter and purplyier, Thanks Mendo Purps!
The Mendo Purps took after her "daddies??" and thanks to the NL5/haze, the bitch is still wanting another month to bloom outdoor in cali, WTF! tall bitch too..
half of the Mendo Purps look the way they should, sweet, purple, grape candy-like.
half of the WW look the way they should. The others are a mix of Double Sour Diesel and Mendo Purple hybrids
Half of the Deep Chunk look like NL/Haze hybrids
Half of the NL5/haze look like DSD hybrids.. haha... crazy.. Pollen was EVERYWHERE!
The Mendo Purple and Double Sour Diesel were sitting in front of the fan.
The crazy thing is that I am getting some of the most amazing herb from these wild hybrids and I am running clones now to stabilize them with the back-crossing method.
ALL FROM FEMALES:
I have a WW x Deep Chunk hybrid that tastes and smells like Pineapple, pure and simple, 20%+ THC
I have a Deep Chunk x Mendo Purps hybrid that tastes and smells like berries, 23%+ THC
I have a Double Sour Diesel x NL5/haze which is godlike and smells like cherries, pink hairs, 22%+ THC
I have a (NL5/haze x Double Sour Diesel) x Tutty Fruity which I am calling pSiGodHaze#7. 24%+THC
I attained Bay Area and Sacramento clones of: The Black Dragon, Cherry Pie, Ken's GDP, LSD, Agent Orange, DJ BlueBerry, UK Cheese, OG Kush, GSC, ect and other shit I`m running is, sorry to say, not as good as the shit I found from popping 100s of seeds.
I understand, it is easy for you to simply not think about it, dismiss us as trolls and go about your life. "Ignorance is bliss" has stuck around for a reason. Human beings don't like being uncomfortable, and being challenged on your ideas is uncomfortable, isn't it?
Trousers
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You obviously have no idea what you are talking about.
What is your problem with feminized seeds?
Why should I trust you? You have no idea what you are talking about.
I made a batch of auto feminized seeds for friends and less experienced growers. You have no idea what the end result was and you are a dumbass.
What is your problem with feminized seeds?
Then why not come up with a counter point instead of the garbage you posted?
Where/how does "the world of botany" (lol) disagree with the OP?
I obviously know more than you. You have not demonstrated understanding of hermaphrodites.
There are different kinds and the differences are important.
You have not disproven anything. You have proven you do not understand what you are babbling about.
All you have done is say that you disagree.
You are working hard to seem ignorant.
What exactly is your problem with mine and the OP's statements about feminized seeds?
You do not understand what you are trying to argue about.
You can stress a plant to make feminized seeds, but most people do not do that intentionally.
Are you just learning about X and Y chromosomes?
What is your problem with feminized seeds?
You haven't mentioned that. It is weird.
You do not understand what you are whining about.
Why don't you explain what you mean by "lazy breeding" to every one else in the thread?
I have made feminized seeds. I have bred with and with out feminized seeds. Even if you could explain your terrible opinion, it would still sound dumb. If you want to make a dumb statement, why not explain it and back it up with something?
What is your problem with feminized seeds?
How are they inferior?
You make these really dumb statements and have nothing to back them up with.
You are the victim of rumors from crappy growers from years ago.
You are just a little naive guy.
The OP makes a logical case.
You have nothing to say and nothing to back it up with. Like a child that wanders into a conversation with no context.
You do not have any ideas.
What is your problem with feminized seeds?
What about the OP do you disagree with?
Why didn't your parents eat you while your bones were still soft?
pSi007
Active Member
pSiGod 7 Haze to be exact. It was #7 of 9
..Bah, I hate Voyager. Actually, it was #7 of 25 fems. I had quite a bit of drift from some very special and FEM`ed plants. This clone is testing over 24% thc on final product. This one is heavily seeded and it is inbred a few generations from it's #7 clone, sons are mating to this clone. It is stabilizing, I have males and females in seed form... The original breed was ((FEM1 x FEM2) x (FEM(1x2) x FEM) = (clone1)) x (FEM(clone1) x FEM) = 7 of 25 (clone 2 - pictured) = NO HERMIS, TOP QUALITY.. IndicaDom is a joke. hahaha... Pathetic..View attachment 2853160
Jogro
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Most commercially available autoflowering plants are cannabis plants that contain two copies of the recessive autoflowering gene specifically from the original "lowryder", which itself is a commerical hybrid between a wild ruderalis plant, Williams Wonder, and other genetics I can't remember off the top of my head.
Since that original commercial line has been released, some of these auto lines have been worked and hybridized to the point where they are literally 80+ generations removed from "pure" ruderalis plants. Consequently, other than the auto gene itself, which has been maintained via selection, some of these lines effectively contain negligible other ruderalis genetics.
So in my opinion, calling these "ruderalis" variants isn't quite right. If a plant has 99.8% genetics from conventional "name" drug cannabis plants, and 0.2% genetics from a ruderalis plant, is it a ruderalis variant? I don't think so.
The best of the current crop of autos are, in fact, very good. Certainly not all of them, but some of the autos are now testing out at 20% THC content, which makes them comparable in potency to good photoperiod genetics. Bud structure, scent, and flavor are also comparable to good commercial photoperiod genetics, in some cases, to the point where if someone didn't tell you you were smoking an auto, you wouldn't be able to tell from the buds.
The biggest problem with these, of course, is that lots of them simply aren't that good. Because these plants can't be maintained in vegetative growth phase, or maintained as "mother" plants, breeding with them is more difficult than with conventional plants. Lots of the "lesser" breeders have jumped on the auto bandwagon, and bluntly a lot of the autos aren't that good.
Like all the other commercial genetics, its a question of starting with the right line from the right breeder, and growing it right. If you do that, you can have good results.
IMO, autos are mostly for outdoor growth, where you are trying to keep plants small for stealth and harvest outside the usual fall window. Indoors, they can be grown, of course, but I don't think they offer much advantage over conventional genetics put immediately into a restricted lighting regimen to flower quickly.
ALHpancyan
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You are correct, if you read in Marijuana Horticulture breeding section it talks about proper breeding. And my major was horticulture. Which doesn't mean much to cannabis but the problem is there is money to be made in feminized seeds and its an easy shortcut to just self pollinate, and those seeds will have a much greater chance to hermie. This makes me not even want to pop some of the free seeds I received. Could they be any good?
What are the most reputable breeders to you guys?
Cpappa27
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IDK I believe that If im hoping to grow 6 females I always put 10 fem seeds and 14 reg seeds. Fem seeds aren't guaranteed to be fem. As far as hermi IMHO I think that all depends on the stress that has been put on the plant through its lifecycle determines that. I believe when a plant feels like it gonna die because of the stress it has been put under it will turn hermi in a desperate attempt to do what nature intended it to do, produce seeds and carry on the genes. I may be wrong but from the research Ive done and from info I have read from veteran growers on this site that's the conclusion Ive come to. Good luck my friend.
Caspernode
Member
I just learned a shitload from your guys little back and forth thing, but i still dont understand whats monoecious and the other one? is that similar to dicots and monocots or what?
Im asking indicaDom, no offense trousers LOL Its just im growin indica and i like to wear shorts.
desertdog
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I only have a limited experience to speak from, but I do enjoy making fems. Using a hermie indoors. I selfed again because of reslulting hermies, but I used those to my advantage letting them pollinate the females. I just threw out most of the hermies selfed seed and saved some for another cross. All of my offspring from the crosses were 100% fems, not herms even when they got stressed. I only wish I would have saved more of the selfed seeds. Now I am converting to the Silver because it is easier and saves space in flower, and I can cross what I want and spray the others down with water before hand, pollinate and be happy. Thank you all for sharing the knowledge here it has helped me immensely.
That would be the only reasoning I can come to on the matter. Crossing so strains together from the same family for instance a male sour d X female sour d. Then the kids crossed with the dad's and mom's and so on and so forth creating faulty genetics from the same family to single out a specific pheno or geno type. Using chemicals to change the hormones in the plants instead of using natural cannabis pollen to bbreed.juat my opinion