obama care ?

[Rob Roy]

I dont watch TV too much
you have year to decide. It will only cost you 94 bucks unless of course you need medical care then it will be whatever the bill is
I guess you know alot about facebook mentality, I would also say you are an expert on labor (sarcasm)

You failed to mention the cost to a person when they no longer can make a choice about whether they will or will not purchase something without penalty.

You seem to have a prohibitionist mentality, that "the law is the law". Why do you hate other people's freedom so much?

 

[grimreefer24601]

Wow Chesus, I guess you're an expert on labor right?

Don't answer that, I wouldn't believe you anyway due to your previous posts. I'd almost bet you'd claim to be an HR director, or a manager. Try to get a regular job in this economy.

The only thing I know about Facebook is it's where people get together to spew shit that in the future will probably get them into trouble. Like your remarks. You feel unaccountable, so you spew whatever you feel like, without ever researching anything. How about a basic study of economics?

As is, you bet I'll just pay the fine. Why buy now, and pay for months, for that which I can get later for less cost? You see some of us already understand the biggest scam of the bill, and I don't feel one bit bad exploiting it, while my government pisses away every dollar I give them. Actually, the sooner more people learn to exploit this feces the sooner we can get to real solutions.

The real solution is a single payer system that niether side seems to want to discuss. It's all about profit. Both sides.

 

[ChesusRice]

Wow Chesus, I guess you're an expert on labor right?

Don't answer that, I wouldn't believe you anyway due to your previous posts. I'd almost bet you'd claim to be an HR director, or a manager. Try to get a regular job in this economy.

The only thing I know about Facebook is it's where people get together to spew shit that in the future will probably get them into trouble. Like your remarks. You feel unaccountable, so you spew whatever you feel like, without ever researching anything. How about a basic study of economics?

As is, you bet I'll just pay the fine. Why buy now, and pay for months, for that which I can get later for less cost? You see some of us already understand the biggest scam of the bill, and I don't feel one bit bad exploiting it, while my government pisses away every dollar I give them. Actually, the sooner more people learn to exploit this feces the sooner we can get to real solutions.

The real solution is a single payer system that niether side seems to want to discuss. It's all about profit. Both sides.

AWESOME plan

And then one day when you need that medical care that will cost you thousands of dollars
You will wonder why you just didnt spend a few hundred more and get insurance

Thanks ahead of time for shifting the burden of your unpaid bills onto the rest of us.

What perplexes me is

Why dont you have insurance? You are employed ...right?

And for the record since you are some kind of know it all cunt

I have advocated for single payer, this is the best we got and it is better than nothing

is that what you prefer? nothing?

Deal with it. It's the law and the law doesnt give a fuck about your feelings

 

[Red1966]

Well yeah, the dumbass posts bullshit and says he doesn't know if its true or not, just like the conservative dipshit he is.

Why do you assume he's a conservative? Oh, because only conservatives are stupid? As in "With Obama in office, I won't have to worry about paying my rent or paying my car payment!!"

 

[ChesusRice]

Why do you assume he's a conservative? Oh, because only conservatives are stupid? As in "With Obama in office, I won't have to worry about paying my rent or paying my car payment!!"

Yeah I would say after this past decade

Conservatives are stupid

 

[Red1966]

False totally

Yet 70% percent of new jobs created since ACA passed are less than thirty hours a week. So it must be false, totally.

 

[ChesusRice]

Yet 70% percent of new jobs created since ACA passed are less than thirty hours a week. So it must be false, totally.

in 2008-2012
What was fueling part time jobs then?
Wasnt Obamacare

Couldnt be the economy could it?

 

[Red1966]

So why do I keep hearing from company after company that that is the reason? Why are all the major corporation now limiting their hours to 28 or 29 hour per week? Please explain how that's not related?

Cheezy is a student of Saul Alinsky. No matter how obvious it is, deny, deny, deny.

 

[ChesusRice]

Cheezy is a student of Saul Alinsky. No matter how obvious it is, deny, deny, deny.

The potential for some reduction in the availability of low-wage work is real. But mainstream economists aren’t seeing anything like the catastrophe Republicans have foretold, and they don’t anticipate a calamity, either.
That is because only 3 percent of small businesses — those with fewer than 500 employees — have more than 50 workers, so 97 percent of small employers are exempt from the law’s mandates. Meanwhile, virtually all large companies already offer health insurance to their employees. Aside from things such as reporting requirements, Obamacare’s mandates will directly obligate only about 1 percent of American businesses to do anything different.
In its oft-touted economic analysis of Obamacare, the Congressional Budget Office (CBO) calculated in 2010 that Americans will put in one-half of 1 percent less time at work with the law in place, a finding that Republicans have repeatedly used to attack the law. Yet, the CBO explained, its figure primarily reflects an anticipated change in how much people will want to work after they get more health-care options, not a change in employers’ demand for their labor because of the law. Economists argue that unrelated factors — particularly consumer demand for the products and services companies offer — still will dominate in hiring decisions.


http://articles.washingtonpost.com/2013-10-05/opinions/42747384_1_job-killer-obamacare-small-businesses

 

[Red1966]

Maybe if you turned off the AM radio in your garage you would find out how false that is

How does a graph demonstrating poor news coverage bordering on suppression by mainstream media prove your point? It even confirms they broadcast THE SAME INFORMATION, just not as often.

 

[Red1966]

The potential for some reduction in the availability of low-wage work is real. But mainstream economists aren’t seeing anything like the catastrophe Republicans have foretold, and they don’t anticipate a calamity, either. That is because only 3 percent of small businesses — those with fewer than 500 employees — have more than 50 workers, so 97 percent of small employers are exempt from the law’s mandates. Meanwhile, virtually all large companies already offer health insurance to their employees. Aside from things such as reporting requirements, Obamacare’s mandates will directly obligate only about 1 percent of American businesses to do anything different. In its oft-touted economic analysis of Obamacare, the Congressional Budget Office (CBO) calculated in 2010 that Americans will put in one-half of 1 percent less time at work with the law in place, a finding that Republicans have repeatedly used to attack the law. Yet, the CBO explained, its figure primarily reflects an anticipated change in how much people will want to work after they get more health-care options, not a change in employers’ demand for their labor because of the law. Economists argue that unrelated factors — particularly consumer demand for the products and services companies offer — still will dominate in hiring decisions. http://articles.washingtonpost.com/2013-10-05/opinions/42747384_1_job-killer-obamacare-small-businesses

The CBO revised those numbers quite dramatically since then. Why do you quote figures from three years ago before anyone even knew what the effects would be? Perhaps ACA will not OBLIGATE some businesses to do anything different, but it will punish them with higher costs if they don't. And claiming the CBO said the main reason more people will be working fewer hours is because more healthcare options (more? as bronze, silver, and gold? co-pays and deductibles so high you'll never see a dime of benefits) will induce them to want to earn less is laughable. Consumer demand always dominates hiring decisions. But claiming that determines whether healthcare is offered or not is just plain lying.

 

[Red1966]

http://www.factcheck.org/2013/09/obamacare-myths/ Republicans have made the overblown claim that the law is a job-killer, but experts predict a small impact on mainly low-wage jobs. The Republican National Committee says 8.2 million part-timers can’t find full-time work “partly” due to the law. That’s the total number of part-time workers who want full-time jobs, and there’s no evidence from official jobs figures that the law has had an impact.

"experts"? You mean political hacks shilling for Obama. There is substantial evidence about the impact, saying there isn't is just lying.

 

[ChesusRice]

The CBO revised those numbers quite dramatically since then. Why do you quote figures from three years ago before anyone even knew what the effects would be? Perhaps ACA will not OBLIGATE some businesses to do anything different, but it will punish them with higher costs if they don't. And claiming the CBO said the main reason more people will be working fewer hours is because more healthcare options (more? as bronze, silver, and gold? co-pays and deductibles so high you'll never see a dime of benefits) will induce them to want to earn less is laughable. Consumer demand always dominates hiring decisions. But claiming that determines whether healthcare is offered or not is just plain lying.

UHMMM oK
maybe this is recent enough for you
http://www.forbes.com/sites/rickungar/2013/09/25/wal-mart-returning-to-full-time-workers-obamacare-not-such-a-job-killer-after-all/2/
9/25/2013 @ 9:45AM |207,974 views [h=1]Wal-Mart Returning To Full-Time Workers-Obamacare Not Such A Job Killer After All?[/h]

 

[tokeprep]

The potential for some reduction in the availability of low-wage work is real. But mainstream economists aren’t seeing anything like the catastrophe Republicans have foretold, and they don’t anticipate a calamity, either.
That is because only 3 percent of small businesses — those with fewer than 500 employees — have more than 50 workers, so 97 percent of small employers are exempt from the law’s mandates. Meanwhile, virtually all large companies already offer health insurance to their employees. Aside from things such as reporting requirements, Obamacare’s mandates will directly obligate only about 1 percent of American businesses to do anything different.
In its oft-touted economic analysis of Obamacare, the Congressional Budget Office (CBO) calculated in 2010 that Americans will put in one-half of 1 percent less time at work with the law in place, a finding that Republicans have repeatedly used to attack the law. Yet, the CBO explained, its figure primarily reflects an anticipated change in how much people will want to work after they get more health-care options, not a change in employers’ demand for their labor because of the law. Economists argue that unrelated factors — particularly consumer demand for the products and services companies offer — still will dominate in hiring decisions.

http://articles.washingtonpost.com/2013-10-05/opinions/42747384_1_job-killer-obamacare-small-businesses

That calculation is exceedingly misleading. If the 3% of employers employ 250 people each (I chose this because it's between 50 and 500) and the 97% employ 10 people each (I chose this based on the article the stats originally came from), the absolute number of employees would be almost the same. The fact that 97% of employers are exempt, according to the stats cited in the article, doesn't mean very much if they employ only 60% of the workforce in that category.

If you say 40% of small business employees instead of 3% of small business employers, it sounds far worse.

 

[Red1966]

Cheesus, I'm not speaking about the media, I'm speaking about people I know. I'm speaking about the jobs people know are applying for. So tell me, if the ACA is so great, why can't I give it a year to decide? Obama's cronies get a year, what not us rgular people? Let it go into effect, but withhold the individual mandate. Is that so disastrous? Also, apply for a job at one of the major employers in the US. Take Walmart, for example. They employ more Americans than any other corporation. What are they doing with employee hours, stated directly to additional costs of the ACA. Nice that you can show a pretty graph from left wing sources, but try to get a job in the real world. You can show all the pretty pictures you want, but the real, middle and low class jobs are being killed by Obamacare.

To be fair, the liar's graph does confirm that the news sources he prefers are reporting the same losses in employment and employee hours as Fox. But he tries to spin it so them stating it fewer times somehow means it's false.

 

[ChesusRice]

To be fair, the liar's graph does confirm that the news sources he prefers are reporting the same losses in employment and employee hours as Fox. But he tries to spin it so them stating it fewer times somehow means it's false.

yes all news is a lie unless it comes from Fox

ok got it

 

[Red1966]

I dont watch TV too much you have year to decide. It will only cost you 94 bucks unless of course you need medical care then it will be whatever the bill is I guess you know alot about facebook mentality, I would also say you are an expert on labor (sarcasm)

Having seen what the deductibles in Bummercare are, he'll still be paying all the bills. Expect pretty much everyone with any math skills who isn't in really bad health already to pay the penalty. Watch the premiums rise dramatically, when non-participation from healthy people and massive use from the chronically ill cause cost estimates to rise.

 

[tokeprep]

UHMMM oK
maybe this is recent enough for you
http://www.forbes.com/sites/rickungar/2013/09/25/wal-mart-returning-to-full-time-workers-obamacare-not-such-a-job-killer-after-all/2/
9/25/2013 @ 9:45AM |207,974 views Wal-Mart Returning To Full-Time Workers-Obamacare Not Such A Job Killer After All?

Your article says that Walmart is making 35,000 part time employees into full time employees. I can't find a reliable number, but the estimates are that Walmart's work force was 20-40% part time. They employ 2.2 million people, meaning 440,000-880,000 of the employees are part time.

Why are you so willing to fall for a corporate marketing department's bullshit? They announce they're going to make a tiny portion of their workforce into full time workers and you tout it as evidence that Obamacare isn't going to mean more people are forced to work part time.

 

[Red1966]

You can see that the ratings for fox would look a lot like this, as a source of honest news....It makes sense ....Thanks Cheezy for pointing that out...

Come on, lets be fair. The others did report the massive job losses, they just didn't report it very often.

 

[Red1966]

AWESOME plan And then one day when you need that medical care that will cost you thousands of dollars You will wonder why you just didnt spend a few hundred more and get insurance Thanks ahead of time for shifting the burden of your unpaid bills onto the rest of us. What perplexes me is Why dont you have insurance? You are employed ...right? And for the record since you are some kind of know it all cunt I have advocated for single payer, this is the best we got and it is better than nothing is that what you prefer? nothing? Deal with it. It's the law and the law doesnt give a fuck about your feelings

Even with Bummercare, you still get that bill for thousands of dollars. The insurance is really shitty.