New rules for Washington State MMJ patients and dispensaries
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DANKSWAG
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I wanna know what the F these idiots are smoking because it is Bad Mojo and will make medical patients criminals for there is no way their retail recreation shit can even freaking meet the need or the demand. Obviously are state (government) is all about the welfare of its citizens for surely as Obuma promised you can keep your doctor health plan we didn't even get patronized they just went straight to how can we collect the most $$ and lose any to medical patients.
It is time for a MMJ rally and March who is with me?
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colonuggs
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don't be surprised.... by 2015 each & every dispensary will be required to shut doors and only the 334 tax paying STATE LICENSED recreational stores will remain open....Legally Dispensaries are not state approved or regulated....there will only be 334 stores... The City Council has passed zoning regulations for pot businesses that would require medical marijuana dispensaries to obtain a state license or stop doing business by 2015. A license that currently does not exist
The master plan is to make everyone buy from state run stores mabey give patients a tax break with use of patient id ###
The master plan is to make everyone buy from state run stores mabey give patients a tax break with use of patient id ###
DANKSWAG
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Me thinks there is collusion between Feds, WA and Canada for they are making the same moves up north. I Think Medical Cannabis has been targeted as a threat to possible revenue for to the coffers of the government whom never met a tax they didn't like.don't be surprised.... by 2015 each & every dispensary will be required to shut doors and only the 334 tax paying STATE LICENSED recreational stores will remain open....Legally Dispensaries are not state approved or regulated....there will only be 334 stores... The City Council has passed zoning regulations for pot businesses that would require medical marijuana dispensaries to obtain a state license or stop doing business by 2015. A license that currently does not exist
Essentially Medical patients will find themselves at the mercy of the governments greedy hoard of politicians and narc puppets whom they get their kickbacks too.
So essentially it is either state approved or (wink wink) state sanctioned by lack of enforcement for those who have the pull to grease the wheel more personally for those making the rules.
As patients we must unite as being singled out, if they though adds show republicans throwing granny of the cliff, wait till adds show LCB keeping medicine away from the infirm and those suffering.
As patients we must say ok to state regulating dispensaries, but there must be no sales tax on medicine.
My goal in my suggestion below is keep medical cannabis free from tax, free for the patient to grow and available and near low cost for those who need it and can't grow it. To bring integrity back to the MMJ community.
Government should collect payroll and business licencing taxes for dispensaries but not add a tax to medicine just for providing medicine to patients.
Home growers should be able to grow how ever much they can just as you can't sell or homemade beer or wine same applies to medical cannabis, though can donate to their favorite dispensary in the patient network.
Dispensaries should register with state oversight within a defined operating rules considered the patient network, patient network will allow individual dispensaries to network with themselves and their patients who grow and have excess. No commercial grows can participate, must be from medical approved patients growing from private residences. These patients info who are providing overage of medical cannabis will have their information protected and secured with severe penalties for wrongful disclosure. There will be a monthly limit set on possible donations and adjusted accordingly based on patients personal needs and those being meet who use the patient network of medical dispensaries. Patients who grow can trade raw material for finished products. Dispensaries operate on a non profit bases but still bills have to be paid. Patient networks dispensaries can sell overage to state for resale in state ran (LCB here is a hook for them) old liquor stores, this could fill the void that recreational cannabis can't fill with the limited producers licenses.
This should keep those who are taking advantage of MMJ community out back to selling the mass produced crap to the recreational market and will ensure only the best of the best is there for mmj patients, cause in the mmj community it is about inexpensive access to outstanding quality. MMJ patients will not take away state's revenue if state enforced a model like the one I propose, the excess from the patient network not consumed can be sold to state. No monies between patients and network changes hands only trade. Ie here is an ounce of my organic blue cheese, I'd to trade for some OG Kush. So there would be a 15% handling fee. I would get 15% less of an ounce of the OG Kush. Here is where the dispensary will work to keep it patients happy. The more trades they can produce will produce excess of raw product. Approved medical finished products by dispensaries in patient network will be assigned a uniform value from dispensary to dispensary. The medical home grower excess can be traded for finished products.
So okay what about those patients who can't grow, they can apply at dispensary to gain access, since they have nothing to trade. They can purchase at rate state will buy back excess per gram from dispensary. State will not buy back a higher rate then it can operate and compete with private recreational stores.
Anywise I am sure there are some things I have not considered but I am sure if we kept undocumented profit (15% raw material fee collected when trading for different medical products) As records are kept what is received what goes out and as long as they match and it shows for each transaction the 15% was not breached then LCB should be happy as well as what is sold $$ to patients that have nothing to trade based on cost (state would buy back for). Then dispensaries become a trading post able to pay its bills to employees and keep the lights on. It just depends on how well they can establish a customer base.
Feedback appreciated good or bad, I just think we must offer something before they take the whole thing away as it is and were left at the mercy of bureaucrats.
ironic indeed especially seeing as except as a mild tranquelizer alcohol has no medicinal value whatsoever.
If the LCB was smart they would have recommednded to the legislature a tax scheme which would encourage small business, support farmers and discourage the black market through Good old american business competition. A 25%/25%/25% compound tax just doesn't cut it.
Its ironic that its the LCB which is going to end up supporting the nastier parts of the black market, while medical gets thrown under the bus.
DANKSWAG
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The state's ploy will go down one of two ways, massive protest by medical patients hitting the news saying how the state is sticking it to the infirm.
Or better freaking yet, Cali will go recreation, along with eastern states thus Feds have no choice to removed schedule 1.
If doctors can prescribe not just recommend then its NON TAXABLE medicine the State will be out of loop in regulating medical patients who are actually prescribe, this will be a bigger mess for the state.
That is why I encourage state officials to support a vetted patient network where only prescribe patients can participate that can still grow own, just can't sell but donate to patient network and state can purchase at rate medicine is traded (assigned value per milligram of processed medicine should be higher than assigned value per raw material) bartered between patients in the patient network. Patients exempt from all future laws regarding use of recreational cannabis. Medicinal should be kept out of the consumer market there should be a patient network that those patients can agree on assigned values to barter trade within the network. Excess sold to state at 15% less patient network for state run patient (old liquor stores) to sell back to patients in network that can't grow or need access to variety of med in patience network.
No cash will be exchanged between patients only bartering of product. State can sell to patient with product purchased at 15% less than barter value from patient network and resell at patient network assigned value to patients that come in their state run medical dispensaries. There would be private NON profit dispensaries. If bartering takes place in a private owned dispensary then each party bartering donates 15% of each product value of additional excess product to dispensary for them to sell back to State. So private dispensaries would stay open if client trading is enough to collect 15% of product to sell back to state to pay for brick and mortar and staff to assist patients.
Something like this where state participates in patient network and monitors to ensure only patient activity. Therefore this should negate recreation sales tax loss, give them a 15% cut of excess the sell to medical patients through their state run dispenary. If anything good economic model to see if non profit which is only allowed 15% to take as well as state stores who does better in all faucet meeting patient need, delivery quality product and ensuring high quality medicine at 20 to 30 percent less then recreational maybe more when you consider all the taxes leveled at each step along the way to market.
colonuggs
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Written comments may be submitted at [email protected] through November 8, 2013. Below is the timeline for finalizing, reporting and delivering the final recommendations to the Legislature.
October 21.............Draft recommendations submitted to stakeholders for comment
November 8............Deadline for written comments
December TBD.......Liquor Control Board will consider adoption of recommendations
January 1, 2014......Deadline for the Liquor Control Board to submit recommendations to the Legislature
October 21.............Draft recommendations submitted to stakeholders for comment
November 8............Deadline for written comments
December TBD.......Liquor Control Board will consider adoption of recommendations
January 1, 2014......Deadline for the Liquor Control Board to submit recommendations to the Legislature
GreenMeds4All
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Didn't the Governor veto a state run registry already?
DANKSWAG
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She veto'd the state involvement at all in the distribution of medical cannabis that is what left this wide open, they were not going to shut down dispensaries that were doing more then meeting patients needs. They let the Feds do that, but the feds complained cause they don't have the resources to chase cannabis all over the northwest.
So no way was the state going to shut down what the people just pass, there hope is to convince public best way to ensure public dollars for BIG GOV are available and not lost to unregulated MMJ market. Now the State has got the FEDS backing them and pushing them to do this cause the FEDS can't do it.
But local GOV will compromise cause public outcry is what will determine their ability to remain in office via the vote, once local media gets involved and shows how bad these policies will be to patients and find a way to move forward with registry allowing the patients to produce manufacture and consume for PERSONAL MEDICAL USE ONLY! As it should be. If a patient network can be facilitated where state can purchase medical growers test their product for public consumption or benefit for the strength cause it would take less to manufacturer into a recreation product.
Anywise I am moving to CO if this shit goes down, this state misses the good ole days of large endless tax stream when the market was good now they are going to essentially start there own drug war... haven't we been down this road before?
lerellion
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Even if they let us buy from recreational stores with a tax break, we are still not buying medical grade. the recreational growers I fear are going to be there for the dollars only growing huge indoor crops with no regard other than getting it out as fast as they can. The recreational grower will be growing for THC not CBD's I don't NEED a 24% strain I like 24% strains for recreational smoking, but I need my high CBD for Pain, spasms etc..(and I think we will be lucky if we get a 10-15% thc strain from the commercial growers.) THE liquor control board still doesnt understand different strains have COMPLETE different effects. All they are going to accomplish is putting sick people in jail, for doing something like taking control of there own medicine. Whats sad is I won't give up my garden, at some point I will probably get busted (because you know local cops are going to go ape shit on busts once this goes down.), have to go to prison and will probably die there.
BA142
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quoting this so more people can see
I've already emailed the liquor board along with my rep and the governor...don't know how much good it will do, but I'd feel guilty if I didn't speak up.
I can deal with most of those recommendations but taking away home growing altogether is ridiculous. I could honestly live with a few plants and a 4oz limit...I'd rather not give up that much but it might come down to something like that.