BHO with Vacuum oil/wax tutorial

[BCOGYODA]

looks good, how long was that off the plant?

It was only off the plant one day when I froze them but these buds were trimmed through a spinner machine not hand trimmed so I'm concerned a bit that it may have some impact on resin head bruising or something like that and not be as blonde as hoped BUT I do run my Rockstar 10 weeks and when I chop them like my OG I look to have my resin heads to be 30-40% amber colored so maybe it will still dry up as an amber blonde color. Not sure.
We do hand trim all the very top larger buds so I guess I should have done this experiment with those as well to see if that does make a difference. I will do that next time we chop one down.
Like that picture I put in the earlier post of my Rockstar we chopped that day. That was a hand trimmed bud in that pic. They have quite a bit more sugar on them than the spinner bowl trimmed buds.

 

[BCOGYODA]

Test cookie is done. Seemed to have lost a lot of weight during the vac purge or the other scale I used for the first measurement could be off. The first scale I used rounds up to the nearest gram. So if it was actually 5.5 gr or more at the muffin stage that scale may have rounded up to 6 gr..That's why I bought the more accurate scale today.
So the final yield was only 4.6 grams according to the new more sensitive scale.
So That would be 3.3-3.3% yield of the 138 gram fresh frozen bud weight.
If those buds were dried. I would expect them to weigh around 33 grams (figured at 24% of wet weight) At 33 grams the 4.6 gram yield would be 14% (hypothetically)

The color of the oil is a nice kind of orangish blonde again. Very similar to the OG oil.

A couple observations I made while doing this fresh frozen run:
---The ground up frozen bud seemed quite compact in the extractor tube when I put it in there but unlike dry product the frozen ground stuff really compacted much more after I started spraying the tane in the tube. It compressed into a kind of frozen mass. It seemed like there was so much pressure in the tube but that may also be cause I have only used the large tube for extracting up till now.
---If your product is dry it will take up noticeably a lot less room for it's yield potential. That sounds fucked. What I mean is; A tube filled with ground dry product will yield more oil than a tube filled with ground frozen product. Does that make sense? It's because the volume of frozen product is much greater than dried product.
So if you want to process more oil in less time it's my opinion that drying it first would be the way to go. Yes but then you have all the time and space taken up with a drying room, electricity for drying/dehumidifying it etc..So you should weight the pro's and cons.
---Extracting oil from fresh frozen bud definitely works well. There was no green chlorophyll tinge to the oil at all.
---I didn't know what to expect for sure but I thought the oil would be a bit blonder because it was as fresh as it could possibly be. It was frozen the same day it came off the plants. So that leads me to believe that our oils color is what it is because of the color of our trichoms at time of harvest. An immature or early harvested plant will make lighter colored oils and a later harvest plant in flower will yield a darker oil. I believe different strains will also tend to have different tints of trichoms as well. But we still have to make sure we are not using any old product because that degrades the resin and will give a dark oil most definitely even if the plants were harvested prematurely.
As I posted earlier I harvest our OG and RockStar plants when I see an average of 30-40% amber trichoms on the flowers. So this makes sense that the oil colors I am getting from my flowers is an amber blonde color.
---When my RockStar buds are dried from this same batch of harvest I will also do a run of oil from them so we can directly compare which yielded more the fresh frozen or dried buds from the same exact harvest.
---Fuck I write long forum posts

 

[BCOGYODA]

Tried loading the pics the way Guz suggested again on the above post and it didn't work??
So I'm doing it the other way with the little pics you can click on to enlarge..I dunno wtf

 

[Guzias1]

I had a feeling you were on a Mac...

So, in that case. You're screwed.. Macs suck..

I agree with your points. The premature harvest, has lighter colored trichs over late harvest.. but the late harvest has bigger heads > bigger yield.

I feel like I can easier comb up premature buds, over late as well. Have had many results which seem to lead that way..


Andddd. You can create an account with a website that uploads photos..

I recommend photobucket.

Or image shack

 

[GreyLord]

Yoda, that bud, it looked, as they say, good enough to smoke. What was it like?
My oil is from trim & fan leaves.My ss tube holds 40gs, so the fan leaves help fill it. My basic oil [don't have a vac] is unbelievably strong. I can only imagine what yours is like, it must hammer you something fierce.

How much weight do you lose from the oil after vac purging?

 

[BCOGYODA]

I had a feeling you were on a Mac...

So, in that case. You're screwed.. Macs suck..

I agree with your points. The premature harvest, has lighter colored trichs over late harvest.. but the late harvest has bigger heads > bigger yield.

I feel like I can easier comb up premature buds, over late as well. Have had many results which seem to lead that way..


Andddd. You can create an account with a website that uploads photos..

I recommend photobucket.

Or image shack

MACS ARE AWESOME!
Ya I've used photobucket before. Will sign up again
GreyLord:

Yoda, that bud, it looked, as they say, good enough to smoke. What was it like?
My oil is from trim & fan leaves.My ss tube holds 40gs, so the fan leaves help fill it. My basic oil [don't have a vac] is unbelievably strong. I can only imagine what yours is like, it must hammer you something fierce.

How much weight do you lose from the oil after vac purging?

It's OG. It's very potent. Depending on when it's chopped it has both head and body qualities. I like it at 30-40% amber trichs. You must get a vac! If you are smoking un-vac'd oil IMO you are smoking some butane or whatever extraction solution you are using. I just don't think heat purge alone can get rid of all of it. Maybe it can I'm new to this but I'll give you an example. My friend tried heat purging his own oil at his place a couple days ago (he tried my comb and was like wtf!!) He was smoking it and said it was different than my comb in that it made his chest and head feel different like he was going to have a heart attack LOL. So I put his oil in my vac and his oil bubbled away like crazy. When I gave it back to him he was so happy. Much smoother and no weird chest/head feeling from it.

I'm going to start winterizing too. That way I'll have the smoothest possible wax I can make. The OG/RockStar wax are the most powerful stuff I've ever tried. Nothing else even comes close.

I dunno what the average weight from the oil is I lose from vac purging but there is weight loss for sure. This batch just from 5.5-6 gram muffin weight went down to 4.6 after purge weight. That is butane and moisture loss. That's significant.

 

[qwizoking]

You really only NEED to purge hydrocarbon solvents....this is why you can effectively purge by winterizing

 

[Guzias1]

MACS ARE AWESOME! NOTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT
I'm going to start winterizing too. That way I'll have the smoothest possible wax I can make.

yurppppppppppppppppp be sure to keep all heats low though. have you winterized yet? im not sure. have you waxed a winterize yet? :]]]]

 

[BCOGYODA]

You really only NEED to purge hydrocarbon solvents....this is why you can effectively purge by winterizing

Hey Qwiz so does that mean if you wanted to make honeycomb that way you could just winterize then heat up the oil to dehydrate it without vac purging at all?

Guzias1:

yurppppppppppppppppp be sure to keep all heats low though. have you winterized yet? im not sure. have you waxed a winterize yet? :]]]]

No haven't winterized at all yet. So do you mean if the oil has been winterized you don't have to heat it as much to get it to dehydrate? Is that because there's no more plant waxes or tane at all left in it after the winterizing?

 

[Twitch]

yes to the second question

 

[qwizoking]

Its gonna be difficult to get comb without vac..wax is different ...yes a lot of people use etoh to purge the tane, but it is generally harder to get wax from winterized kinda depends though

Etoh and vac are the only ways to be sure you've purged completely..especially with hexane if any of y'all go that route, almost impossible to get rid of the taste otherwise

 

[BCOGYODA]

Thanks guys!

 

[Guzias1]

Damn.. I was just about to put my $.02 in on that wax tractor thread..
Well. Good thing I copied and pasted it

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Ughhhhhh. Leave the extracting to people who know what they are doing

I feel if too many people who don't know smack get one of these because they think it's safer. Welllllll.. it's not.. this tube just looks like a recipe for disaster..

I've broken my tube sooo many times. I think I would have been through ten of these by now.

F glass tubes!!!

True story.


Now I got some beautiful tubes racked up. Stainless steel, yes!!

Question. .. how big is your biggest tube(inches)? How much dry weight it avgly hold?


Mine is 60 inches long. 1.10in I.d. ... . Hold roughly 185 not pushed too hard. But good.

Yours? Sorry qwizo. This has nothing to do with you...

 

[Twitch]

did they delete it? must have been the OP, qwiso did you see the final posts?

 

[BCOGYODA]

What thread are you guys talking about?

Ya Guz I agree the glass tubes are asking for trouble. Where I can I find large stainless ones? Fortunately the tips on my large ones is separate from the tube so it only costs 8 bucks for a new tip.

My large tubes are 14"L x 3.5" ID
I just ground up close to 2 lbs of dry OG bud. Finely ground I fit between 220-230 grams in each one

 

[Guzias1]

Holy crap..that's a huge width.

Umm. What kind of numbers you getting with that? What's your best percentage so far, strain?

Do you hold the tube, and spray one can at a time?? Half a lb is a lot of cans. One tiny fat tube.

I'm curious how you go about with that fatty

I feel the thread got removed cuz SPAM

It wasn't that important. Don't worry bc

 

[BCOGYODA]

Holy crap..that's a huge width.

Umm. What kind of numbers you getting with that? What's your best percentage so far, strain?

Do you hold the tube, and spray one can at a time?? Half a lb is a lot of cans. One tiny fat tube.

I'm curious how you go about with that fatty

I feel the thread got removed cuz SPAM

It wasn't that important. Don't worry bc

I've only done OG and RockStar. Done dry OG bud and the fresh frozen RockStar bud.
I am around 17-18% with the OG dry buds. The fresh frozen it's different to do the yield calculation for cause it isn't dry bud. But if I figured it right I think it would equal around 14%..I'm going to run the RockStar buds from that same crop when they buds come off the rack from drying so I can compare the two yields dry and fresh frozen.

Ya 8 cans for each tube. I did 4 tubes today (two batches of two) so 32 cans tonight. I wear a full face mask respirator thingy so my eyes and breathing don't get fucked up.
I put the lip of the wide end of the tube down against the edge of the handle of the pyrex when I spray. So that say 7/8 of the "mouth" of the tube is over the pyrex where the tane comes out. I rotate the tube every time I do a new can so the tane is distributing evenly down the tube. I'm surprised how much I can push down on the tube and pyrex without it moving and anything spilling. I'm gonna rig something up so I can clamp the other end of the pyrex to the table so there's no chance it can come flying up while I'm spraying.

 

[BCOGYODA]

Half of tonight's batch:

 

[GreyLord]

Baffling baboon shit Batman, I thought MY tube was too big [10" x 1 1/2". Holds over 40gs] 2lbs of dry premo bud? If I were using really good bud like that I'd want to soak it for a while.

And yes Yoda, I definitely need a vac for purging. It's on the list. Four new tyres [can't buy rubbish, minimum $800] then car rego in Dec. Just bought a 'you beaut' fan & filter for my grow tent. There's always something. Probably have to wait till the new year before I buy a vac. I may as well buy a good one.

You can buy ss pipe with thread at each end & the ss caps to fit at a large irrigation outlet. I think the widest at mine was 1 3/4" or 2" & from 6" to 12" in length. Smallest was $25, the one I'm getting, 1" x 8" is about $32. All you have to do is drill holes in each cap. I had mine welded together with a 6" x 1 1/2" pipe & 2 threaded end bits 2" x 1 1/2" with caps. Cost me over $60 but it was all I could think of at the time. Works really well & it's virtually unbreakable.

 

[qwizoking]

Nah I didn't see shit(he got deleted, for being a spammer)...seems I missed a bunch while sleeping. I get up early though, at work by 6

So how did you find the fresh frozen to compare to dry